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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1336168]He’s still employed by the Ravens[/quote]

I assume he could get out of that. He's not their GM anymore. You just have to get someone at the top that knows what they're doing, that has a track record of success.

I tuned into Ron and Mayhew and had to turn them off after listening to their nonsense. This team is going nowhere w/ those two. And maybe Mayhew could do better if he didn't have Ron sitting there talking about his ground and pound bullshit. But my point is neither is better than Ozzie so do whatever it takes.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1336186]I assume he could get out of that. He's not their GM anymore. You just have to get someone at the top that knows what they're doing, that has a track record of success.

I tuned into Ron and Mayhew and had to turn them off after listening to their nonsense. This team is going nowhere w/ those two. And maybe Mayhew could do better if he didn't have Ron sitting there talking about his ground and pound bullshit. But my point is neither is better than Ozzie so do whatever it takes.[/quote]

After they clean house, I rather see the return of Kyle Smith.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1336186]I assume he could get out of that. He's not their GM anymore. You just have to get someone at the top that knows what they're doing, that has a track record of success.

I tuned into Ron and Mayhew and had to turn them off after listening to their nonsense. This team is going nowhere w/ those two. And maybe Mayhew could do better if he didn't have Ron sitting there talking about his ground and pound bullshit. But my point is neither is better than Ozzie so do whatever it takes.[/quote]

Seriously , lets say you are the shining jewel of your profession working in one of the top company's in your field and now at the end of your career you would want to go work at at best a fallen company littered with cancer and neglect.

Why the fuck would Ozzie come here? unless it was for a billion dollars he ain't coming.

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[quote=mredskins;1336188]Seriously , lets say you are the shining jewel of your profession working in one of the top company's in your field and now at the end of your career you would want to go work at at best a fallen company littered with cancer and neglect.

Why the fuck would Ozzie come here? unless it was for a billion dollars he ain't coming.[/quote]

Money. If Bezos comes here then that changes things around. You are talking about one of the richest humans on the planet who will own the football team in DC.

It's just a thought. But it would be the first call I make if I was the new owner.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1336196]Money. If Bezos comes here then that changes things around. You are talking about one of the richest humans on the planet who will own the football team in DC.

It's just a thought. But it would be the first call I make if I was the new owner.[/quote]

He would still be limited by the salary cap, it’s not like Snyder didn’t throw money like he was at a strip joint.

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We need to have a talk, Carr isn’t Wentz. Carr is a much better, established QB.

There, I said it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1336202]We need to have a talk, Carr isn’t Wentz. Carr is a much better, established QB.

There, I said it.[/quote]

Yes He is ! We can’t fall into trap thinking every vet QB is Wentz or Wilson or Ryan … makes you think though 😳, It all depends on our choices and what we would have to give up … whoever we bring in Howell should be able to have a fair competition because I truly believe he can play ,

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Call me crazy…Jay Gruden with Carr would be a good match for this team, right now

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I'm not against the idea of bringing Carr here, as long as we sign him through free agency, not trade.

My ideal plan is to sign a QB and have an open competition between him and Howell during the training camp, and focus on strengthening the team through draft and FA. If the QB doesn't work out in 2023 then we would be in a better position to give up our capitals to get a real QB at the end.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1336204]Call me crazy…Jay Gruden with Carr would be a good match for this team, right now[/QUOTE]


You’re crazy

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Jonathan Jones
@jjones9
The Washington Commanders have seemingly found their 2023 QB1: Sam Howell

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336208]Jonathan Jones
@jjones9
The Washington Commanders have seemingly found their 2023 QB1: Sam Howell[/quote]

I hope those fools have realized that’s the way to go, resign TH as a backup while they are at it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336208]Jonathan Jones
@jjones9
The Washington Commanders have seemingly found their 2023 QB1: Sam Howell[/quote]

well that is bad news

until more is shown of him; he definitely doesn't check we are all set at QB1 box

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/commanders-informing-potential-offensive-coordinator-candidates-sam-howell-is-their-starting-qb-for-2023/[/url]

If that story is true , just LOL

What fucking quality OC is going to be excited to come here and be told he has a one game wonder QB to work with.

Until this franchise is sold everything is moot; we are officially in the lame duck mode.

If i was a OC of any worth i wouldn't come here; this franchise could be sold tomorrow and RR and his staff asked to pack their shit and move on.

Nothing of substance can happen here until its sold. It be like if you and your wife were house shopping but also filed for divorce.

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[quote=mredskins;1336210]well that is bad news

until more is shown of him; he definitely doesn't check we are all set at QB1 box

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/commanders-informing-potential-offensive-coordinator-candidates-sam-howell-is-their-starting-qb-for-2023/[/url]

If that story is true , just LOL

What fucking quality OC is going to be excited to come here and be told he has a one game wonder QB to work with.

Until this franchise is sold everything is moot; we are officially in the lame duck mode.

If i was a OC of any worth i wouldn't come here; this franchise could be sold tomorrow and RR and his staff asked to pack their shit and move on.

Nothing of substance can happen here until its sold. It be like if you and your wife were house shopping but also filed for divorce.[/quote]

Lol Howell is more than 1 game wonder QB. I would be happy with this move if it's true. Just to be clear, this does not mean I believe that Howell is a good QB. This has everything to do with the situation we are in today - the QB options is very limited and we are not in a position to swing big to acquire a QB (via trade or draft).

According to reports, Howell showed some good things in practices all year. Also, Howell played relatively well against a good defense with a patched up Oline and no RBs. Howell has the talents and the only issue with him is the footing, which can be resolved through coaching and practices. With that in mind, along with the fact that our QB options through free agency and draft, why wouldn't anyone want to give Howell a chance?

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1336205]I'm not against the idea of bringing Carr here, as long as we sign him through free agency, not trade.

[B]My ideal plan is to sign a QB and have an open competition between him and Howell[/B] during the training camp, and focus on strengthening the team through draft and FA. If the QB doesn't work out in 2023 then we would be in a better position to give up our capitals to get a real QB at the end.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that plan, but that only happens with the likes of Dalton, Brissett, Mayfield, Darnold, etc. If they decide to go after Derek Carr, and he actually comes here, then he's the starter.

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All you Howell doubters will be kissing his ass next year, guarantee that!!

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[quote=GridIron26;1336213]Lol Howell is more than 1 game wonder QB. I would be happy with this move if it's true. Just to be clear, this does not mean I believe that Howell is a good QB. This has everything to do with the situation we are in today - the QB options is very limited and we are not in a position to swing big to acquire a QB (via trade or draft).

According to reports, Howell showed some good things in practices all year. Also, Howell played relatively well against a good defense with a patched up Oline and no RBs. Howell has the talents and the only issue with him is the footing, which can be resolved through coaching and practices. With that in mind, along with the fact that our QB options through free agency and draft, [B]why wouldn't anyone want to give Howell a chance?[/B][/quote]

100% he deserves a chance.

I don't think anyone hates Howell at all.

I believe the majority of the "haters" hate the idea of him being named QB1 in Jan 23.

He needs a opportunity to be QB1 but we also need someone else to compete for QB1 in 2023 (who it is i have no fucking idea and for all the scenarios every one is drawing up no one thought this time last year CW be on the roster [ not that it was a good move just saying we have really no idea what they are thinking])

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Howell may not be the answer, but whether he succeeds or fails, going with him is the best option for the long term interests of the team. Sign a low price vet back-up, Heinike probably being the best choice for this team.

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[quote=nonniey;1336225]Howell may not be the answer, but whether he succeeds or fails, going with him is the best option for the long term interests of the team. Sign a low price vet back-up, Heinike probably being the best choice for this team.[/quote]

What?

How can he be the best long term option regardless if he succeeds or fails?

Literally makes 0 sense

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Per JP: the team is planning on Howell as QB1 entering the off season but the door is not closed on signing or trading for a QB if the right fit is there.


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336227]Per JP: the team is planning on Howell as QB1 entering the off season but the door is not closed on signing or trading for a QB if the right fit is there.


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So basically it’s anyone’s job at this point

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1336230]So basically it’s anyone’s job at this point[/QUOTE]


They will make SH earn it pretty much which they should


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[QUOTE=mredskins;1336226]What?



How can he be the best long term option regardless if he succeeds or fails?



Literally makes 0 sense[/QUOTE]I think I get the point : you can never know for sure if a QB is gonna pan out or not, but having a good QB on his rookie contract is a great situation to be in. So right now, not giving away any assets and giving yourself a chance with a kid that showed he has potential is the best long term option. How it actually pans out doesn't change the parameters of the situation at the point you made the decision.

And I agree with this approach. We may have a franchise QB on the roster, for free, so why gamble assets on something we may not need to buy in the first play ? Especially with the sale and probable change of HC coming up in the near future, I don't want Ron to make any huge future impacting moves.

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Pat Shurmur pleeeeeeeeease! :coach:

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[quote=mredskins;1336226]What?

How can he be the best long term option regardless if he succeeds or fails?

Literally makes 0 sense[/quote]

Makes sense if you can see past 2023 (Which is why I said long term interests - and yes I'm aware most fans can't see beyond the next season - actually that is an American trait). A new coaching regime is almost certainly coming in 2024. Do you really want to saddle a new coach with the old coaches FA QB contract (ie Carr)? And especially if you traded draft picks for him? Howell is on a rookie contract, if in 2023, he succeeds the new coach has a young QB he can resign couple of years down the road, if he fails- not really a major problem as the new coach can then go and choose his own QB.

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[QUOTE=davy;1336242]Pat Shurmur pleeeeeeeeease! :coach:[/QUOTE]


Another old head that hadn’t been very successful as an OC.. hard pass


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336227]Per JP: the team is planning on Howell as QB1 entering the off season but the door is not closed on signing or trading for a QB if the right fit is there.


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Well of course he is. Wentz is gone and Taylor is a free agent. There's no one else on the roster. He's the off season starter by default.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1336283]Well of course he is. Wentz is gone and Taylor is a free agent. There's no one else on the roster. He's the off season starter by default.[/quote]

Stromm is on the roster, but I wouldn't rate him higher than 3rd string.

I'd say naming him #1 at this point more about making CW and TH positions clear (release and at best #2 if re-signed), thus setting up off-season plans, and simple common sense from RR knowing if the team is sold, at best he's a lame duck and unlikely able to shell out for another high price trade/FA. If nothing else it saves RR fielding dumb "who is the #1 QB on the roster going into the off-season' questions!

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There are other things that need to be fixed. But a good or bad offseason is only determined by 1 thing:

Snyder sells = Great offseason

Snyder doesn't sell = We're fucked

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1336384]There are other things that need to be fixed. But a good or bad offseason is only determined by 1 thing:

Snyder sells = Great offseason

Snyder doesn't sell = We're fucked[/quote]

this 100

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Per source, Washington will meet with Pat Shurmur (
@NickiJhabvala
reported)& Atlanta QB coach Charles London. Others of interest: Miami associate HC/RB coach Eric Studesville; Miami pass game/QB coach Darrell Bevell. Others (Caldwell, Reich) interviewing for HC jobs 1st

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Shurmur has had success as an OC, but I feel like he is the dinosaur retread that we don’t want.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336519]Per source, Washington will meet with Pat Shurmur (
@NickiJhabvala
reported)& Atlanta QB coach Charles London. Others of interest: Miami associate HC/RB coach Eric Studesville; Miami pass game/QB coach Darrell Bevell. Others (Caldwell, Reich) interviewing for HC jobs 1st[/quote]

Charles London

47 years old

Wiki says hes worked under Bill Obrien (Texans) and Nagy (Bears) as running backs coach, Dave Raggone was his OC in Hotlanta and he did a bid with Gruden here in DC.

Played college ball at Duke, mostly bench warmer.

Coaching in some capacity in the NFL and Penn State since 2007.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_London[/url]

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[quote=punch it in;1336544]Shurmur has had success as an OC, but I feel like he is the dinosaur retread that we don’t want.[/quote]

We just had a young OC and it didn't work out. Not all on him, but still.

I just want someone at OC that can adapt to what we have and help Sam grow if he's indeed our QB1.

Josh McDaniels is "young" and he has driven two franchises to the ground.

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I'm just encouraged that they're looking outside of the Ron familiarity tree. Indicates a willingness to accept new ideas, casting a wider net.

If they end up promoting Zampese I'll be dismayed.

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[quote=Schneed10;1336548]I'm just encouraged that they're looking outside of the Ron familiarity tree. Indicates a willingness to accept new ideas, casting a wider net.

If they end up promoting Zampese I'll be dismayed.[/quote]

I like that as well. Although to be honest, a lot of coaches within Ron's coaching tree are in Buffalo and with the Giants, two teams that have been successful this year and are in the playoffs.

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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
Commanders are set to interview their quarterbacks coach, Ken Zampese, for the offensive coordinator job today, per source. Falcons QBs coach Charles London should be later in the week.

LOL I thought Ron wanted outside of the organization... That dude is lost

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1336215]All you Howell doubters will be kissing his ass next year, guarantee that!![/quote]

With one NFL game under his belt, doubting him is 100% the normal reaction. I don't care if he was the first overall pick, he hasn't proven anything yet.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336579]Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
Commanders are set to interview their quarterbacks coach, Ken Zampese, for the offensive coordinator job today, per source. Falcons QBs coach Charles London should be later in the week.

LOL I thought Ron wanted outside of the organization... That dude is lost[/quote]

Sooner or later they were likely to interview Zampese, just makes sense to have an in-house candidate ready to go as a fall back. The focus is still on bringing someone in.

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[quote=MTK;1336580]With one NFL game under his belt, doubting him is 100% the normal reaction. I don't care if he was the first overall pick, he hasn't proven anything yet.[/quote]

Exactly folks are just getting on the Trevor Lawrence bus now.

I hope SH is a hall of famer!

In reality we need to see more bodies of work.