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[quote=Chico23231;1341339]The legion of boom was our Oline trying to pass block last year.[/quote]

More like legion of gloom...

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I want Darnell Washington with that 3rd round pick

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I hope our 3rd is Blake Freeland T BYU

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Ricky Stromberg?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1341360]Ricky Stromberg?[/quote]

He had a high grade.

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I would move up tomorrow and go after Freeland. Texans have the 2nd and 3rd picks.

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Just woke up and now trying to process this. As with previous years the players look very good, but the position and value are questionable. Not that I care much about the media consensus , but all three of these guys feel like reaches. We are not going to pay all our safeties so while I like Martin as a player, it feels like a waste of a limited resource. Same as our 2nd rounder last year.

Would be interested to hear the response from Ron if the media guys asked "so what is your plan for blocking Jalen Carter?" . Dallas and Philly are going to kill our oline.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1341363]Just woke up and now trying to process this. As with previous years the players look very good, but the position and value are questionable. Not that I care much about the media consensus , but all three of these guys feel like reaches. We are not going to pay all our safeties so while I like Martin as a player, it feels like a waste of a limited resource. Same as our 2nd rounder last year.

Would be interested to hear the response from Ron if the media guys asked "so what is your plan for blocking Jalen Carter?" . Dallas and Philly are going to kill our oline.[/quote]

we do run more of a 4-2-5 scheme

So you could definitely see Martin, Curl, and Forrest out there together in certain situations.

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Another versatile backup Olineman ? I know those are valuable, but does Ron know that adding up decent back ups doesn't equal to a quality starter ?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1341364]we do run more of a 4-2-5 scheme

So you could definitely see Martin, Curl, and Forrest out there together in certain situations.[/quote]

True but given the success they have had drafting safeties the last three years was it really better use of a 2nd round pick for another one when the oline is desperate for some quality starters? That is true for last years 2nd rounder. Mathis looks like a good player but it was a luxury pick when other areas are being neglected. I liked the idea of drafting Martin in the third, but we went CB in the 1st so it wasn't necessary.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1341365]Another versatile backup Olineman ? I know those are valuable, but does Ron know that adding up decent back ups doesn't equal to a quality starter ?[/quote]

At this point I really dont think he does. Ready for a new owner to clean house

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1341355]Mmmh... Said by some to be the second best safety in the draft... And he possessed Ron's beloved position flex... But with our obvious needs at OL and LB, I'll admit I have a hard time being enthusiastic about this one... Kinda feel like Ron and Jack still haven't realized what a disaster this LB squad is... and now wondering if they truly understand to what extent this Oline unit needs to improve...[/QUOTE]


OL and LB are pretty glaring needs I’d say.


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I think there were good OL on the board and it was a bit of a reach. Not hating on the player though.

we did get a C in round 3, but seems like that was probably a reach (as far as value). At least he should be better than the 3 backups from last year i guess.

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[quote=calia;1341368]OL and LB are pretty glaring needs I’d say.


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I'm getting a serious case of deja vu. Didn't we say this last year

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Roullier and Fuller are both strong cut possibilities now. That will clear up quite a bit of money to sign post-draft cuts from other teams.

Gates, Stromberg, and Larsen can all play center.

Forbes, Martin, and Juste can all start at CB. Fuller is expensive to keep if you have other capable starters.

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Dantzler is almost certainly done, will net $2m with no dead cap

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I think the Ricky Stromberg was picked within his range, but I think we coulda moved back in the 2nd and still gotten the DB Martin.

I didn’t like that pick, like I didn’t like the Mathis pick there last year. Can’t piss away top 50 player picks

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[quote=Chico23231;1341374]I think the Ricky Stromberg was picked within his range, but I think we coulda moved back in the 2nd and still gotten the DB Martin.

I didn’t like that pick, like I didn’t like the Mathis pick there last year. Can’t piss away top 50 player picks[/quote]

At least Martin is a possible starter, Mathis is at best a rotational DT to give the starters a rest

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1341372]Roullier and Fuller are both strong cut possibilities now. That will clear up quite a bit of money to sign post-draft cuts from other teams.

Gates, Stromberg, and Larsen can all play center.

Forbes, Martin, and Juste can all start at CB. Fuller is expensive to keep if you have other capable starters.[/quote]

Don't even [U]think[/U] about cutting my man Fuller! He should have been playing slot corner all of this time and he was outstanding at that position from Day One.

I suppose Chase Roullier will have to go now but it won't be an upgrade. Injury caught up with him. He was such a fine anchor for us for years and he didn't get the recognition he deserved.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1341365]Another versatile backup Olineman ? I know those are valuable, but [B]does Ron know that adding up decent back ups doesn't equal to a quality starter ?[/B][/quote]

No he doesn't! He just refuses to move up when a run starts on a position where we need help. Mayhew is no genius either. What did he ever do in Detroit to impress as a drafter?

What we needed in this draft were two or three studs who play the positions of our greatest need. Too late now. If we only drafted three players, the right three players, this year it would have been enough. We do not need more mediocre and borderline players.

Plus, we bring in EB and we don't give him jack in the draft. What a waste!

In the final year of his contract with new ownership on the way RR is still talking about building a team! I can hardly believe it. First of all, the team should already be built by now if he was ever going to do it. Time's up! Secondly, Rivera and Mayhew might as well start packing their bags because no new owner is going to put up with their lack of situational awareness, boldness, and competence in the GM space.

Dead men walking.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1341372]Roullier and Fuller are both strong cut possibilities now. That will clear up quite a bit of money to sign post-draft cuts from other teams.

Gates, Stromberg, and Larsen can all play center.

Forbes, Martin, and Juste can all start at CB. Fuller is expensive to keep if you have other capable starters.[/quote]

I would be surprised if we don't release Roullier shortly, although I don't think we are ready to release Fuller yet. We would be in trouble if we release Fuller and Forbes and/or Martin doesn't play well. Also, St. Juste still haven't played a full season yet.


[quote=EdmundDorf;1341373]Dantzler is almost certainly done, will net $2m with no dead cap[/quote]

Forgot that we have him on the roster lol, he definitely will be released at some point.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1341374]I think the Ricky Stromberg was picked within his range, but I think we coulda moved back in the 2nd and still gotten the DB Martin.

I didn’t like that pick, like I didn’t like the Mathis pick there last year. Can’t piss away top 50 player picks[/QUOTE]


I think Stromberg and Martin could have been picked a spot later. I think we could have had a highly rated G thrown into the mix and still gotten these guys. I have no problem with the players. Martin is a versatile dback and Stromberg is a versatile inside lineman. Both will most likely start this year and I think both are excellent additions but we left money on the fucking table. The Mathis pick was worse, he too is a good player but that was a pure rotational pick in the second round. As the years go by Rivera is foregoing too many instant impact players in positions of need because he is staring down his guys. He is such a fucking simpleton. We could have a top notch oline and all these other guys but he is playing his cards wrong. And Jamin Davis better take a huge leap forward this year as Linebacker has been ignored early again. We might look back in time and say wow this was a good draft. All these guys are playing really well. But what will be forgotten is they all could have been had along with a dude like Ocyrus Torrence. Good news is Snyder will be gone and so will Rivera after this year is over. Maybe sooner if we really shit the bed.

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Dawan Jones, Noah Sewell,
Blake Freeland, Jaelyn Duncan, Ivan Pace Jr, Owen Pappoe, Diabate, Emil Ekyor, Zack Kuntz. A lot of lineman, and linebackers, and TE’s left that we could grab today who would make an impact this year. Rivera probably taking a crap brushing up on available fullbacks right now , Mayhew is in the next stall reading Drafting for Dummies [emoji1750].

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My take is different than most on here I guess. First of all, the draft isn't over. We have five more picks.

They have picked solid players, and they happen to be at positions of need (DB / OL) - feels like they are following their board. Their board is different than my board and your board, but we don't get paid to evaluate NFL talent. lol

That secondary is going to be deep, the defense has the potential to be nasty. Stacked up front, stacked on the back end - a recipe for a lot of turnovers. Do we need a LB? Maybe, but that position has been devalued here with the personnel groupings they run out there, and it hasn't seemed to have much of an impact on how good this defense has been.

Anyway, I thought we went into the draft needing OL & CB. Maybe they didn't draft in that order, or who you wanted, but that's what they have drafted - so far.

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I know Fuller is getting old and expensive, so Forbes was a little bit of a need reach.
At 16 and who was left on the board, I liked CB Christian Gonzalez better, 4.38 speed and true corner. Gonzalez was rated by many as top 10 pick in this draft that dropped in someone’s lap at 17. That is great value even if you already have corners. Corners are a valuable commodity in the NFL you can trade later.
I fear Forbes at 166 pounds, in the nfl could be become a “not fast enough to be a corner and not big enough to be a safety.
He is slot CB picked at 17. He better become the best slot corner ever.

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You m'fers need to chill out. We got Wylie in the off-season. Can still pick up players in the later rounds and there will likely be a second round of free agency after the draft.

At the end if the day, this team's strength is the defense. And I don't mind adding playmakers to our secondary.

You can add talent to the online, but better play calling, commitment to the run, and hopefully improved Howell will help.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1341382]My take is different than most on here I guess. First of all, the draft isn't over. We have five more picks.

They have picked solid players, and they happen to be at positions of need (DB / OL) - feels like they are following their board. Their board is different than my board and your board, but we don't get paid to evaluate NFL talent. lol

That secondary is going to be deep, the defense has the potential to be nasty. Stacked up front, stacked on the back end - a recipe for a lot of turnovers. Do we need a LB? Maybe, but that position has been devalued here with the personnel groupings they run out there, and it hasn't seemed to have much of an impact on how good this defense has been.

Anyway, I thought we went into the draft needing OL & CB. Maybe they didn't draft in that order, or who you wanted, but that's what they have drafted - so far.[/QUOTE]


Like I said Chief I have no problem with Martin or Stromberg. The problem is they could have taken them later - especially Stromberg. I feel like they reached on those two. I think also that a glaring problem with this defense has been the inability for our inside backers to cover opposing tight ends.

There is no person on Earth who can convince me that Martin was a better pick than Torrence in the second. Both positions of need. One keeps your quarterback upright. The draft is like triage and he took a patient with a broken leg over one with a head injury- both need to be seen, but clearly one needs to be seen sooner.

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Emmanuel Forbes
CB Mississippi State

Jartavius Martin
CB Illinois

Ricky Stromberg
OC Arkansas

Blake Freeland
OT BYU

SirVocea Dennis
LB Pittsburgh

Payne Durham
TE Purdue

Atonio Mafi
OG UCLA

Keaton Mitchell
RB East Carolina

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1341382]My take is different than most on here I guess. First of all, the draft isn't over. We have five more picks.[/quote]

Agreed, while I'd have taken Mauch in the 2nd instead, and probably Blackmon or Latu in the 3rd, I'm not an NFL GM, so its just my opinion. We had need in the secondary and OL, and they drafted DBs and a C. Good/best picks? We'll only know in time but I don't see them as bad picks based on what's known of them.

Question is, what now? 5 picks left, so what do we do with those? For me we have to target TE and LB, but apart from that has to be BPA. Toney is likely gone (suspended indefinitely) and CY is a ? so an edge rusher makes sense, if only for depth.

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[quote=punch it in;1341386]Like I said Chief I have no problem with Martin or Stromberg. The problem is they could have taken them [B]later[/B] - especially Stromberg. I feel like they reached on those two. I think also that a glaring problem with this defense has been the inability for our inside backers to cover opposing tight ends.

There is no person on Earth who can convince me that Martin was a better pick than Torrence in the second. Both positions of need. One keeps your quarterback upright. The draft is like triage and he took a patient with a broken leg over one with a head injury- both need to be seen, but clearly one needs to be seen sooner.[/quote]

Later when? You can't predict when these guys are going. If they liked him, they liked him - and they took him when they had the opportunity. Maybe they didn't like Torrance or the other O-linemen that were available when they picked Martin. For them, for the fit, for projecting the roster this year and in the future, he was the better pick.

I just think it's funny with the instant grades, second guesses, and what-ifs every year. Suddenly now Mathis was a bad pick (too bad he got hurt)...oh yea, J Dotson and BRob were reaches too. Remember that?

Just like Ruh said - we picked up Wylie in the off-season. We also picked up Gates. There are still good players left to be drafted, and there are still good free agent offensive linemen available (right now), and more to be had when players start getting cut.

For me, this offseason is shaping up pretty good so far - in free agency, the draft, new coaches...the sale...all of it.

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[quote=Defensewins;1341383]I know Fuller is getting old and expensive, so Forbes was a little bit of a need reach.
At 16 and who was left on the board, I liked CB Christian Gonzalez better, 4.38 speed and true corner. Gonzalez was rated by many as top 10 pick in this draft that dropped in someone’s lap at 17. That is great value even if you already have corners. Corners are a valuable commodity in the NFL you can trade later.
I fear Forbes at 166 pounds, in the nfl could be become a “not fast enough to be a corner and not big enough to be a safety.
He is slot CB picked at 17. He better become the best slot corner ever.[/quote]

Forbes clocked 4.35 at the combine, and aside from his weight is considered by many as being elite. As for his weight, he played three seasons in the SEC without missing a game due to injury. He is not a slot corner.

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[quote=punch it in;1341387]Emmanuel Forbes
CB Mississippi State

Jartavius Martin
CB Illinois

Ricky Stromberg
OC Arkansas

[B]Blake Freeland
OT BYU[/B]

SirVocea Dennis
LB Pittsburgh

Payne Durham
TE Purdue

Atonio Mafi
OG UCLA

Keaton Mitchell
RB East Carolina[/quote]

We definitely need an OT that could eventually become a starter.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1341388]Agreed, while I'd have taken Mauch in the 2nd instead, and probably Blackmon or Latu in the 3rd, I'm not an NFL GM, so its just my opinion. We had need in the secondary and OL, and they drafted DBs and a C. Good/best picks? We'll only know in time but I don't see them as bad picks based on what's known of them.

Question is, what now? 5 picks left, so what do we do with those? For me we have to target TE and LB, but apart from that has to be BPA. Toney is likely gone (suspended indefinitely) and CY is a ? so an edge rusher makes sense, if only for depth.[/quote]

I think we'll see more O-line, LB, DE, and RB. Not sure they'll go TE.

My sneaky pick is RB Deuce Vaughn from K-State in round 5.

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I think Ron has become too obsessed with position flex. Not every guy needs to have multiple positions if he is very good at one. I think that is why they passed on the likes of Torrence and Schmidtz

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Eagles get a Corner projected to go in first couple rounds by almost everyone in the fourth. And he is basically surrounded by his college team. We are not competing with then for years. Lol.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1341393][B]I think Ron has become too obsessed with position flex.[/B] Not every guy needs to have multiple positions if he is very good at one. I think that is why they passed on the likes of Torrence and Schmidtz[/quote]

Seems that way to me, too.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1341393]I think Ron has become too obsessed with position flex. Not every guy needs to have multiple positions if he is very good at one. I think that is why they passed on the likes of Torrence and Schmidtz[/quote]

In this violent sport, position flex is pretty valuable, especially on the O-line. If I have two players I like similarly and one can play G and C, but the other one can only play one of those positions - I'm taking the more versatile guy all day.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1341385]You m'fers need to chill out. We got Wylie in the off-season. Can still pick up players in the later rounds and there will likely be a second round of free agency after the draft.

At the end if the day, this team's strength is the defense. And I don't mind adding playmakers to our secondary.

You can add talent to the online, but better play calling, commitment to the run, and hopefully improved Howell will help.

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I like Ruh’s take. Plus let’s be honest about where we are. We’re still a team mired in mediocrity, just beginning to see a crack of light in the dark gloom of the Snyder administration. Legacy men RR and MM are clinging to jobs they are destined soon to lose, and they don’t have the ownership direction or inherent vision and skill to get this team on solid playoff footing. What they did bring was a certain professionalism and integrity that held things together through the Haskins debacle and the Snyder clown show. And that’s not nothing. I think Josh Harris will inherit a roster that a new GM and HC will find intriguing — some solid parts and lots of headroom.

A lot is going to happen in the next 3 months, and if worst case we crap out on OL and SH in 2023, well, the 24 draft could be the true start of the next Skins era.


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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1341389]Later when? You can't predict when these guys are going. If they liked him, they liked him - and they took him when they had the opportunity. Maybe they didn't like Torrance or the other O-linemen that were available when they picked Martin. For them, for the fit, for projecting the roster this year and in the future, he was the better pick.

I just think it's funny with the instant grades, second guesses, and what-ifs every year. Suddenly now Mathis was a bad pick (too bad he got hurt)...oh yea, BRob was a reach too. Remember that?

Just like Ruh said - we picked up Wylie in the off-season. We also picked up Gates. There are still good players left to be drafted, and there are still good free agent offensive linemen available (right now), and more to be had when players start getting cut.

For me, this offseason is shaping up pretty good so far - in free agency, the draft, new coaches...the sale...all of it.[/QUOTE]


When we win more than 7-8 games I’ll believe they are doing things the right way. Again nobody is saying these picks are bad players, but foregoing a stud at one position of need for a scheme fit at another position of need (who you could find later whether it be the exact guy or a comp) is a losing strategy.

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[quote=punch it in;1341398]When we win more than 7-8 games I’ll believe they are doing things the right way. Again nobody is saying these picks are bad players, but foregoing a stud at one position of need for a scheme fit at another position of need (who you could find later whether it be the exact guy or a comp) is a losing strategy.[/quote]

Your making a lot of assumptions here...