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Just my two cents but a third for Chase is disappointing

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[quote=NC_Skins;1350767]Shipped Chase Young's ass off too for a 3rd. God damn this FO struck gold today. No way we were getting anything in off-season for him.[/quote]

The fact that Sweat was the first one to garner interest and to be traded, should give people an idea of how much Young was being valued (or not valued) by other teams.

Good move financially for both of them: Sweat goes to a team that has cap room to pay him, since they obviously see him as a long term type of acquisition. Chase gets to shine on a loaded team and make good money in free agency.

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I'm torn on the Young deal.

On one hand, he's never shown the ability to be a gamechanger. I felt like he was progressing well coming off that knee injury though and I was optimistic about his future. Maybe not 15-20 sacks optimistic but he is talented no doubt.

Time will tell if we got fleeced by the 49ers yet again, but if they can maximize his potential they will be 2-2 in fleecing us on trades. Only way we win the deal is if he stays injured or just becomes a solid yet unspectacular end for them.

On its' face trading him after trading Sweat looks dumb. We had enough room to sign at least one of them this offseason and trying to become the first team to win without quality edge rushers is a bad look. I think JSW and Toohill are solid (Toohill has potential) but until we see how they react to the increased playing time they are unknowns.

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[quote=mooby;1350771]I'm torn on the Young deal.

On one hand, he's never shown the ability to be a gamechanger. I felt like he was progressing well coming off that knee injury though and I was optimistic about his future. Maybe not 15-20 sacks optimistic but he is talented no doubt.

Time will tell if we got fleeced by the 49ers yet again, but if they can maximize his potential they will be 2-2 in fleecing us on trades. Only way we win the deal is if he stays injured or just becomes a solid yet unspectacular end for them.

On its' face trading him after trading Sweat looks dumb. We had enough room to sign at least one of them this offseason and trying to become the first team to win without quality edge rushers is a bad look. I think JSW and Toohill are solid (Toohill has potential) but until we see how they react to the increased playing time they are unknowns.[/quote]

If this coaching staff/front office would be staying around or if the defense was playing to its potential, the Chase trade would not make sense. But the defense is not playing well, and we all know there's going to be a total clean house at the end of the season (or sooner).

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1350749]First off .. we have one of the worst D in football .. so losing these two can’t make us any worse this year .. in fact if we do get worse then it helps in draft picks .. the season was indeed over after the Bears laid 40 on us .. the nail was Giants loss ..
Ron and entire staff are gone .. if Young was worth more then why didn’t someone step up ?? No team in the Entire league offered a 2cnd for him … that should tell you !
I’m happy that the change is taking place .. the end of season can’t get here quick enough …[/QUOTE]


I hate that it’s still October and we have written off any hope for this season. I am so sick of it.


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Should have shipped out JDR with them.

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For all of us who said to tear this mf’er down, hallelujah! Harris means business.

I’m looking forward to watching Bears pile up the losses.


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Didn't get much for Chase, but I'm fine with it.

With Bozo Boy gone and 9 picks, we should be able to rebuild the OL and LB corps'.

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I'm pretty sure Albert Breer did not tweet this with a straight face:

@AlbertBreer
The Patriots listened, but are hanging on to young contract-year guys Josh Uche, Kyle Dugger and Mike Onwenu. [B]Also, I'm told they never got any calls on QB Mac Jones or RB Zeke Elliott.[/B]

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The soon vacant GM job listing keeps getting more and more attractive


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[quote=mooby;1350771]I'm torn on the Young deal.

On one hand, he's never shown the ability to be a gamechanger. I felt like he was progressing well coming off that knee injury though and I was optimistic about his future. Maybe not 15-20 sacks optimistic but he is talented no doubt. [/quote]


Here is one quote from a fan that I happen to agree with:

[quote]Chase was freelancing and honestly made the line worse by playing greedy and trying to pad his own numbers. It became very obvious the decline of the line started when he returned. [/quote]

I still think our DC is a bigger issue than Chase freelancing, but it was obvious at times he was doing his own thing or not listening to coaching.

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[quote=rocnrik;1350762]I’m betting Ron won’t last the season …[/quote]

I hope he does. Really no sense in parting ways right now. However, the following day after the last game of the season should be an announcement of a change in direction. I don't mean two weeks, a month, I mean first thing the next morning.

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In Chase Young, I saw a lot of LaVar Arrington, a great physical athlete who wasn’t coachable and who could be contained by better opponent coaching. Right on brand for Snyder, but not right for this rebuild. I wish him the best in SF.


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[quote=mredskins;1350736]this was always going to be a lame duck team and coaching staff unless by some football miracle they light it up this year


AGAIN i keep saying this if RR and company wanted to be here and respected all they had to FUCKING do was beat the winless Bears and the hapless Giants; we be 5-3 with two solid performances against the Eagles

Those 2 losses buried the coaching staff and caused this two trades today[/quote]

This.

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[quote=GridIron26;1350715]3rd round pick for Young.... More like 3.5 or 3.75th round pick..[/quote]

conditional pick . . . could be a 2nd if certain conditions are met

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[quote=NC_Skins;1350797]I hope he does. Really no sense in parting ways right now. However, the following day after the last game of the season should be an announcement of a change in direction. I don't mean two weeks, a month, I mean first thing the next morning.[/quote]

Agreed. Honestly think if Ron lasts the year he's gonna do the dignified thing and retire - he's a lousy coach but he typically operates with respectability. He knows that would be better than the alternative. Besides, nobody's gonna be looking for a head coach with 3 winning seasons in 13 years.

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[quote=HTTR;1350800]In Chase Young, I saw a lot of LaVar Arrington, a great physical athlete who wasn’t coachable and who could be contained by better opponent coaching. Right on brand for Snyder, but not right for this rebuild. I wish him the best in SF.


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Seems accurate - my fear is San Fran unlocks him in the same way Bill Belichick unlocked Randy Moss after his career was being wasted in Oakland.

Good coaches know how to get the best out of great players - San Fran has always had a respectable coaching staff that knows how to get the best out of its' d-line.

Chase was probably freelancing because he didn't respect this coaching staff - and for good reason too - JDR and Ron have no idea what they're doing.

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Chase on this team would not have made ANY difference in wins or losses the rest of year .. our D is Bad to begin with ..we had Six first round pick players out there in Chicago and they laid 40 on us .. you can point fingers at who made all the decisions to draft the guys and then the coaches ..We can build around Payne/Allen but need LB bad and some D backs..
might as well start now with the future ..

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The 9ers will soon find out why we gave him up. He’s not that guy


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I feel bad for Sweat, he goes to the Bears while CY might be going to the Super Bowl and did nothing for it.

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[quote=Giantone;1350808]I feel bad for Sweat, he goes to the Bears while CY might be going to the Super Bowl and did nothing for it.[/quote]


I don't even get the Bears play here. Why trade for Sweat? It's not like they are in contention or even close to it. Why waste that pick? Ultimately, they're going to lose the draft pick AND give up a huge contract. That's what bad teams do.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1350803]conditional pick . . . could be a 2nd if certain conditions are met[/quote]

Is it? I hadn't seen that.

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[quote=mooby;1350771]I'm torn on the Young deal.

On one hand, he's never shown the ability to be a gamechanger. I felt like he was progressing well coming off that knee injury though and I was optimistic about his future. Maybe not 15-20 sacks optimistic but he is talented no doubt.

Time will tell if we got fleeced by the 49ers yet again, but if they can maximize his potential they will be 2-2 in fleecing us on trades. Only way we win the deal is if he stays injured or just becomes a solid yet unspectacular end for them.

On its' face trading him after trading Sweat looks dumb. We had enough room to sign at least one of them this offseason and trying to become the first team to win without quality edge rushers is a bad look. I think JSW and Toohill are solid (Toohill has potential) but until we see how they react to the increased playing time they are unknowns.[/quote]

I guess my thoughts on it are I would prefer to get his productivity for the rest of the year and the third round pick when he walks away. A third round pick is hard to get excited about. Odds are that player we draft will play less than 3 seasons in the nfl. Hardly a rebuild piece

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This wasn’t a question of should we keep or trade CY. It was a question of whether we trade him or sign him to a long-term deal. Lots of reasons that would have given the new 2024 FO a lousy situation to deal with, including the possibility that we get nothing for him. Complaining about this deal is shortsighted


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1350807]The 9ers will soon find out why we gave him up. He’s not that guy


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I wouldn't be surprised if the opposite happens.

cy is gonna be a great addition there. They will use him a lot better, they will coach him better amd they have the better supporting cast that will free him up more.

The guy will have a good rest of the year sure but if he stays there in the future he will only get better.

SF is just better.

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Agreed! SF will have a lead most games. CY will face a lot more passing downs and less double teams with Bosa on the team. It’s a better fit.

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[quote=jamf;1350821]Agreed! SF will have a lead most games. CY will face a lot more passing downs and less double teams with Bosa on the team. It’s a better fit.[/quote]

Yea, I mean what else can we really say it should flat out be easier for him there.

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[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38788272/why-commanders-traded-chase-young-montez-sweat-nfl-trade-deadline"]Keim shined some lights[/URL] on the team's process to move Young and Sweat.

Some teams had concerns about Young's knee, so the 3rd round pick makes sense now.

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[quote=GridIron26;1350831][URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38788272/why-commanders-traded-chase-young-montez-sweat-nfl-trade-deadline"]Keim shined some lights[/URL] on the team's process to move Young and Sweat.

Some teams had concerns about Young's knee, so the 3rd round pick makes sense now.[/quote]

I still think it was short changed trade that SF wins. Youngs pass rush win percentage is top ten this season. It is only going to get better going to SF while we get a low 3rd. Forgive me for feeling underwhelmed with the trade despite his past injuries. We could've showcased and franchised him and traded before draft or let him walk and get a comp pick which is basically what we got for him. Myriad of other options that would benefit the team in the future. In the off chance we draft someone who is a solid starter here for more than 5 years with that pick I will change my mind but at this point it is just meh.

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SF had the leverage mainly due to the knee concerns. They knew we'd take something vs nothing. Not ideal but the defense was trash with both of them here so are we really missing out on anything? No guarantee SF will be able to re-sign him either.

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Montez Sweat is a good solid pro, sad to see him go but good return for him.

Chase Young is soft and lazy, good riddance.

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[quote=MTK;1350834]SF had the leverage mainly due to the knee concerns. They knew we'd take something vs nothing. Not ideal but the defense was trash with both of them here so are we really missing out on anything? No guarantee SF will be able to re-sign him either.[/quote]

SF is taking him as a rental, a win-win for both the team and Chase. And somewhat low risk for a team like the 49ers to lose a 3rd round pick IMO.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1350845]SF is taking him as a rental, a win-win for both the team and Chase. And somewhat low risk for a team like the 49ers to lose a 3rd round pick IMO.[/quote]

They had 3 3rd rounders and we probably got the lowest one.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1350818]I guess my thoughts on it are I would prefer to get his productivity for the rest of the year and the third round pick when he walks away. A third round pick is hard to get excited about. Odds are that player we draft will play less than 3 seasons in the nfl. Hardly a rebuild piece[/quote]

Also gotta factor in we got a 2024 3rd rounder - comp pick sure but 2024 pick nonetheless. If Chase walks in FA there would have to be conditions met - like not signing anybody to big FA contract plus it would be a 2025 3rd rounder if he picked up a big deal. With this we get an immediate pick which can help re-tool next year.

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[quote=MTK;1350834]SF had the leverage mainly due to the knee concerns. They knew we'd take something vs nothing. [B]Not ideal but the defense was trash with both of them here so are we really missing out on anything?[/B] No guarantee SF will be able to re-sign him either.[/quote]

Exactly this. Plus a good chance Chase wasn't going to sign a long term deal here anyway and maybe they knew that. Maybe could've gotten more for him in offseason with a franchise tag but then you're risking injury.

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I may have this wrong, but if Chase left in the offseason, wouldn't we have gotten a compensatory 3rd round pick (albeit in 2025)? So we essentially shipped him out for what is likely to be a lower 3rd round pick a year earlier than we might have otherwise received one? If so, that doesn't seem like a good deal for us.

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[quote=calia;1350865]I may have this wrong, but if Chase left in the offseason, wouldn't we have gotten a compensatory 3rd round pick (albeit in 2025)? So we essentially shipped him out for what is likely to be a lower 3rd round pick a year earlier than we might have otherwise received one? If so, that doesn't seem like a good deal for us.[/quote]

unless we signed a free agent of similar quality which would wipe out the compensatory pick. i feel the new ownership group is going to want to spend some of that 90million, so compensatory pics would not come our way

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[quote=calia;1350865]I may have this wrong, but if Chase left in the offseason, wouldn't we have gotten a compensatory 3rd round pick (albeit in 2025)? So we essentially shipped him out for what is likely to be a lower 3rd round pick a year earlier than we might have otherwise received one? If so, that doesn't seem like a good deal for us.[/quote]

Both picks would be 3rd round compensatory picks most likely, so they would be within in a few spots of each other.

I'd rather have pick 100 this coming draft than pick 95 in 2025.

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After seeing all 50 of his snaps against the Eagles I'm not really sad he's gone. The effort level is disappointing. Also his inability to ever rush from a low angle is frustrating - if the 49ers get that out of him they might have something to work with. That tape is frustrating - he's a physical specimen that plays with poor technique. I'd rather have a physically limited guy that gives 100% effort vs. him.

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[quote=mooby;1350875][yt]Iy1r7O-wk_liuwfK[/yt]

[url]https://youtu.be/OKaoN5pRTHg?si=Iy1r7O-wk_liuwfK[/url]

After seeing all 50 of his snaps against the Eagles I'm not really sad he's gone. The effort level is disappointing. Also his inability to ever rush from a low angle is frustrating - if the 49ers get that out of him they might have something to work with. That tape is frustrating - he's a physical specimen that plays with poor technique. I'd rather have a physically limited guy that gives 100% effort vs. him.[/quote]

Eye in the sky don't lie. Good riddance. Good luck.