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I know many of you want Peters as GM, I favor Kyle Smith who the 49ers almost sign to replace John Lynch a few years back. Peters is a Bay area native from Cupertino and might not want to move East.


Kyle Smith, Falcons VP of player personnel: Having worked in Washington, Smith, the 38-year-old son of former Chargers GM A.J. Smith, was poached by Terry Fontenot two years ago to be the new Atlanta GM’s top assistant, and others have come in and tried to poach Smith from Fontenot. A very well-respected evaluator who went from scout to college director to VP of player personnel in D.C. in 10 years, Smith was considered a strong candidate to replace John Lynch in San Francisco, had Lynch gone to TV last year—which speaks to the respect former Washington offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan has for his work.

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I'd forgotten about Smith. Should be in the conversation.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1354232]I'd forgotten about Smith. Should be in the conversation.[/quote]

Dream scenario, Kyle Smith and Sean McVay ( it’s not going to happen, he’s under contract till 2026 w/ rams). I think Mc Vay is the best coach in the NFL, rams have done an 80% roster turnover and they are in every game, they will sneak into the playoffs and will make some noise.

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[quote=MTK;1354091]Former Steelers GM Kevin Colbert is out there. Very possible Harris has already been leaning on him for advice.[/quote]

Nope, Marty Hurney who I hope is gone with the rest.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/commanders-owner-josh-harris-leaning-113013710.html[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1354262]Nope, Marty Hurney who I hope is gone with the rest.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/commanders-owner-josh-harris-leaning-113013710.html[/url][/quote]

Yeah I wouldn't worry about it, I think the whole front office will be cleaned out.

I've got no problem with Harris leaning on Hurney, it's only natural when you're new to an organization to find someone to glean info from. Doesn't necessarily mean much beyond that.

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[quote=MTK;1354285]Yeah I wouldn't worry about it, I think the whole front office will be cleaned out.

I've got no problem with Harris leaning on Hurney, it's only natural when you're new to an organization to find someone to glean info from. Doesn't necessarily mean much beyond that.[/quote]

I have a problem when Hurney said a 2nd rounder for Sweat is a great deal, should have gotten a 1st rounder or kept him. Sweat has 10 sacks and counting.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1354286]I have a problem when Hurney said a 2nd rounder for Sweat is a great deal, should have gotten a 1st rounder or kept him. Sweat has 10 sacks and counting.[/quote]

It's not what he's worth, it's what he's worth when you sell him. With 1-2 years on a contract I'd agree, but nobody was giving up a 1st for an impending FA. They had to offer a 2nd AND pony up for a big new contract.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1354288]It's not what he's worth, it's what he's worth when you sell him. With 1-2 years on a contract I'd agree, but nobody was giving up a 1st for an impending FA. They had to offer a 2nd AND pony up for a big new contract.[/quote]

Then you keep him and resign him or tag him, we had the $$$.

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Maybe they had a sense Sweat was going to test the market and be outta here anyway.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1354289]Then you keep him and resign him or tag him, we had the $$$.[/quote]

But it is obvious that Harris didn't want this. It was reported that the coaches wanted to keep Sweat, but they were overruled by ownership.

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And he'll be paid top 5 money next year. Is he a top 5 DE? I'm not convinced.

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4 yrs $98M, not crazy $$ for what he is at age 27

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Not saying its crazy, just saying I'm not convinced he's worth that much compared to his peers. Suspect ownership came to the same conclusion.

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[quote=MTK;1354285]Yeah I wouldn't worry about it, I think the whole front office will be cleaned out.

I've got no problem with Harris leaning on Hurney, it's only natural when you're new to an organization to find someone to glean info from. Doesn't necessarily mean much beyond that.[/quote]

I hope not. I'm sure Hurney is a respected person inside the organization, but his track record as a talent evaluator is terrible. The Tepper endorsement doesn't mean jack shit either, that guy is heir to Snyder's throne.

I hope Harris is just relying on Hurney for advice on how to handle the search.

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I honestly think we be in the top 5 in this list or maybe even top 3

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/39104100/ranking-nfl-head-coach-openings-2024-season-best-worst-jobs-raiders-panthers-patriots[/url]

Pathetically low

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[quote=mredskins;1354318]I honestly think we be in the top 5 in this list or maybe even top 3

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/39104100/ranking-nfl-head-coach-openings-2024-season-best-worst-jobs-raiders-panthers-patriots[/url]

Pathetically low[/quote]

I think the cons were a bit suspect, aside from lack of star talent at key positions. Yes, we have subpar facilities, but everyone knows that this is one of the priorities for ownership.

And having a rebuild culture can be both a positive and negative. The positive aspect of it is that it allows the coach to do what he wants (the same for a GM).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1354292]But it is obvious that Harris didn't want this. It was reported that the coaches wanted to keep Sweat, but they were overruled by ownership.[/quote]

I didn't see that but I did see that they offered him the chance to turn the trade down if he wanted.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1354292]But it is obvious that Harris didn't want this. It was reported that the coaches wanted to keep Sweat, but they were overruled by ownership.[/QUOTE]

The story I heard most was they went into the trade deadline looking to deal Chase and not Montez, but they got a deal they couldn't pass up.

I would have to agree with that considering where this organization is at this point.

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I’ve seen some articles like this one saying “certain ” front office members will be fired along with Rivera. I don’t like “certain” and is disturbing, “all” sounds better. 📸 Look at this post on Facebook [url]https://fanrecap.com/article-937723/?utm_source=washington-commanders&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=nfl-mk&fbclid=IwAR3Q-fa34KtEfw5rIqMDb04CDcZlACWPFm7PPkgib6c5Q1mdSxrq1ZWvw8k_aem_AbN-LFYlcESerXv-oG6O8El4MXN-SUnDVshV2AmfkGwyXLV7wbFypIlytcru4tP8JgY#lq913hi7pwhs2wq4sr[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1354424]I’ve seen some articles like this one saying “certain ” front office members will be fired along with Rivera. I don’t like “certain” and is disturbing, “all” sounds better. 📸 Look at this post on Facebook [url]https://fanrecap.com/article-937723/?utm_source=washington-commanders&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=nfl-mk&fbclid=IwAR3Q-fa34KtEfw5rIqMDb04CDcZlACWPFm7PPkgib6c5Q1mdSxrq1ZWvw8k_aem_AbN-LFYlcESerXv-oG6O8El4MXN-SUnDVshV2AmfkGwyXLV7wbFypIlytcru4tP8JgY#lq913hi7pwhs2wq4sr[/url][/quote]

Apart from being a terribly written article, consider that there may be a few of the front office staff worth keeping. With a new GM/HC combination who knows if coming in and sacking everyone is the right move.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1354428]Apart from being a terribly written article, consider that there may be a few of the front office staff worth keeping. With a new GM/HC combination who knows if coming in and sacking everyone is the right move.[/quote]

It is a terrible article, as long as Hurney is not retained as the “certain” member.

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There's a lot of people on this page but, yep, losing the top 4 as a minimum would be a good move.

[URL="https://www.commanders.com/team/front-office-roster/index-old-23"]https://www.commanders.com/team/front-office-roster/index-old-23[/URL]

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Ron is now 26-37-1 in 4 seasons as HC i nWASH

His career Record is 102-100 - 2

If it wasn't for a MVP 15-1 Cam season he would be under .500 as a coach.

He needs to hang it up after he gets canned in 3 weeks

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I find this very interesting:

@JPFinlayNBCS
The Steelers have a 90 year track record of not being dumb. If that changes and they fire Mike Tomlin I’d encourage Josh Harris to fire up that PJ and give Tomlin a blank check.

Given that Harris is/was a minority shareholder with the Steelers:

@MarkMaske
Josh Harris and David Blitzer have not yet sold their minority shares in the Steelers. That must happen after Harris’s purchase of the Commanders, with Blitzer among the investors. But it does not have to happen immediately, under NFL rules.

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This could be our future GM, Joe Hortiz from the Ravens.

[url]http://www.ravenspr.com/coaches_personnel_bios/JOE_HORTIZ.pdf[/url]

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1354597]Ron is now 26-37-1 in 4 seasons as HC i nWASH

His career Record is 102-100 - 2

If it wasn't for a MVP 15-1 Cam season he would be under .500 as a coach.

He needs to hang it up after he gets canned in 3 weeks[/QUOTE]


He will end his career in a few weeks and he will be under .500. 102-103-2. That’s a lot of losing.


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[quote=Ruhskins;1354602]I find this very interesting:

@JPFinlayNBCS
The Steelers have a 90 year track record of not being dumb. If that changes and they fire Mike Tomlin I’d encourage Josh Harris to fire up that PJ and give Tomlin a blank check.

Given that Harris is/was a minority shareholder with the Steelers:

@MarkMaske
Josh Harris and David Blitzer have not yet sold their minority shares in the Steelers. That must happen after Harris’s purchase of the Commanders, with Blitzer among the investors. But it does not have to happen immediately, under NFL rules.[/quote]

Steelers would be stupid to fire Tomlin, I highly doubt that would happen but if it does then yes we should do everything we can do to get him.

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[URL="https://twitter.com/granthpaulsen/status/1736788018986422783"]This is an amazing time to be a Commanders fan. For the first time in 30 years you're about to have a true GM-HC structure. The team has tons of money to spend and a great early-round draft situation.[/URL]

I was optimistic coming into the year. I thought we had some talent and upgraded our offensive coaching 🙄. Things fell apart and it was easy to get back to a “same old skins” mindset.

But we need to remember this is still a snyder built team. Harris has not even begun to put his stamp on the franchise.

It’s gonna take some time to sort through the mess Snyder left but we got rid of our biggest problem.

A few more weeks and the Harris/Co. tenure officially starts.

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I guess I can hang till they officially put there stamp on it ..

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[quote=GridIron26;1354621]Steelers would be stupid to fire Tomlin, I highly doubt that would happen but if it does then yes we should do everything we can do to get him.[/quote]

There is no chance he's fired

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1354637]There is no chance he's fired[/quote]

Yet the Patriots most likely will fire a 6 time SB winner. Never say never.

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[quote=GridIron26;1354621]Steelers would be stupid to fire Tomlin, I highly doubt that would happen but if it does then yes we should do everything we can do to get him.[/quote]

I know a few diehard fans, they're over his shit and want him gone. Says he's coaching scared and too old school

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1354597]Ron is now 26-37-1 in 4 seasons as HC i nWASH

His career Record is 102-100 - 2

If it wasn't for a MVP 15-1 Cam season he would be under .500 as a coach.

He needs to hang it up after he gets canned in 3 weeks[/QUOTE]


You know what is way under.500 …. His percentage of winning seasons. Had a couple years with Superman hiding his complete and utter inadequacies as a HC. Dude is an awful HC. A worse GM, and enough with he changed the culture. He changed it all right, from a bad team to an embarrassingly bad team with less talent. Ron can go scratch.

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[quote=punch it in;1354647]You know what is way under.500 …. His percentage of winning seasons. Had a couple years with Superman hiding his complete and utter inadequacies as a HC. Dude is an awful HC. A worse GM, and enough with he changed the culture. He changed it all right, from a bad team to an embarrassingly bad team with less talent. Ron can go scratch.[/quote]

Yeah I'm sorry but CULTURE isn't wins and losses. Ron tried to sell that for so long

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1354651]Yeah I'm sorry but CULTURE isn't wins and losses. Ron tried to sell that for so long[/QUOTE]


Culture to me is work ethic, not giving up, fundamentals, attention to detail, an overall desire to win. He didn’t change any of that.

Was hanging his hat on changing the culture and finding a quarterback. The quarterback was an obvious choice when Sam hit round 5. Wow. Real genius there. And he didn’t do anything for the “culture “ on or off the field. Couldn’t even take responsibility for his losing ways.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1354661]Culture to me is work ethic, not giving up, fundamentals, attention to detail, an overall desire to win. He didn’t change any of that.

Was hanging his hat on changing the culture and finding a quarterback. The quarterback was an obvious choice when Sam hit round 5. Wow. Real genius there. And he didn’t do anything for the “culture “ on or off the field. Couldn’t even take responsibility for his losing ways.[/QUOTE]


And Howell was clearly better than TH and he didn’t even start him until the season was over. The dude is clueless as a Coach and talent evaluator.


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[quote=punch it in;1354661]Culture to me is work ethic, not giving up, fundamentals, attention to detail, an overall desire to win. [B]He didn’t change any of that. [/B]

Was hanging his hat on changing the culture and finding a quarterback. The quarterback was an obvious choice when Sam hit round 5. Wow. Real genius there. And he didn’t do anything for the “culture “ on or off the field. Couldn’t even take responsibility for his losing ways.[/quote]

My biggest gripe with RR is he didn’t change anything at the right time. Every decision was too late. Seems like the press would force him to make decisions by their tone in press conferences. If Ron didn’t have to do interviews, Cheeseman would still be on the team.
There is no accountability for poor play.
I don’t know if he has dementia but I get the feeling he is still waiting to see what Heiniki can do at QB.

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[quote=punch it in;1354647]You know what is way under.500 …. His percentage of winning seasons. Had a couple years with Superman hiding his complete and utter inadequacies as a HC. Dude is an awful HC. A worse GM, and enough with he changed the culture. He changed it all right, from a bad team to an embarrassingly bad team with less talent. Ron can go scratch.[/quote]

Only three times in his entire career I believe where he had double digit wins. That great season with Cam where he was 15-1 I think made too many people think he was a good HC....

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A Joe Hortiz GM Mike MacDonald or Todd Monken HC could be in our near future. The Washington Ravemanders.

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/12/15/chargers-need-swing-for-fences-after-brandon-staley-firing-news-notes[/url]

We’re all learning on the fly about Commanders owner Josh Harris, who was accompanied by one of his limited partners, Mitchell Rales, at this week’s league meetings in Dallas. And one thing I learned down in Texas over the last few days could at least color how the next couple of months go with the new owners and their team—Harris likes how the Commanders’ beltway rivals from Baltimore do business.
It was apparent, too, in his first real football hire.
Seven weeks ago, Washington brought Eugene Shen aboard as its new senior vice president of football strategy, poaching him back from the world of finance, a world to which he’d returned in 2022 after serving as the Jaguars’ vice president of football analytics, and the Dolphins’ director of analytics between ’19 and ’22. For five years before that, Shen cut his NFL teeth helping to run analytics for the always innovative, always forward-thinking Ravens, who have gone so far as to build their own proprietary analytics systems.
That the hire was made before Harris made decisions on the futures of GM Martin Mayhew, top football exec Marty Hurney or coach Ron Rivera is notable for a couple of reasons. First, it’s an indication of how he sees the role—as one that would be there regardless of who the GM or head coach was. Second, it opens the possibility that Shen could have significant input in the next round of hires, whenever they’re made.
Maybe this means Harris tabs a Baltimore exec like Joe Hortiz or Nick Matteo to be his next GM, or a top Raven assistant like Mike Macdonald to be his head coach. Maybe it doesn’t. But at the very least, it brings a little insight into how he’s building and what he’ll be modeling after going forward.

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I spoke with Lake Lewis on the Name topic, He's pretty upfront usually and he said he has heard rumblings about Harris and Co. not liking the name very much... That may not mean anything but wanted to share that here