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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);683031]
LAST YEAR with a BETTER TEAM and BETTER COACHES[B] he did THE SAME AS JASON CAMPBELL[/B]! So, do you think he would've done better with OUR coach, OUR receivers, OUR offensive line, and an unfamiliar playbook!?!

Who's to say that with a better Eagles O-Line, better receivers, Better plays called by a better coach, JASON CAMPBELL wouldn't have done better as an Eagle!?!? Think about it![/quote]

one thing JC should be thankful for is that zorn then mitchell molded an offense geared towards getting the most out of JC stat wise.

of JC's 3500 passing yards, 2000 came after the catch. this percent is so much higher than any next qb in the league its ridiculus. i did the math a while ago but JC came out at about 68% of his passing yards coming after the catch where the qb average was in the mid to low 50% range.

our Fo reviewed tape after tape of JC im sure and came to the conclusion that they can not win with him. period. i love JC as a person. i felt bad for him when he was benched this year. but he is what he is, a qb who cant read defenses, a qb whom coached cant trust to allow him to amke his own audibles (after 5 years in the league), a qb who is hesitant to trust what he sees, a qb who is hesitant to throw the ball, a qb who has poor timing on routes, a qb who cant throw accurately enough or lead a reciever properly.

there was just way to many limitations that JC brings for shanny/allen/kyle to put their rep on the line for. this isnt zorn and sherm where they were told who is starting. these are competent respected football people who had reviewed and study more JC tape than any of us, and they made their determination. period. jc is a great guy but hes done with the skins.

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Talked to five football analysts that I really respect (not including myself). None are Redskins fans. None are Eagle fans. Two are Giants fans.

It was unianimous, 5-0, that the Redskins got boned hard in this trade. There is no one who I have talked to, who understands the game, who likes this trade for us.

That's just the facts.

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K.C. Joyner, rightfully, puts the smackdown on us here:

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=5055786]KC Joyner - Did Redskins overpay for Donovan McNabb? - ESPN[/url] [Insider Only]

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[quote=Mechanix544;683002]Also, i doubt we make this trade and keep our WR corps as is. I think Shanny and Kyle will want a proven #1 for our new QB to throw to. I dont think they make this trade, and think malcolm kelly (gimme a break) will be suddenly the go to guy at WR. We will make a move for marshall, or maybe nab D. Thomas from GT. The guy looks like a steal.[/quote]

I totally agree. You simply don't trade for McNabb and have him throw do our current wr's. Perhaps Cooley is being thrown around for a 2nd rounder and we deal that first rounder of Marshall and let Davis step in at TE. I'm telling you we're not done wheeling and dealing!

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;683050]I love this move. To all the doubters of McNabbs ability, you need to llok long and hard at his work. There is more positives to be taken from a trade of this caliber than negatives.

With some more work done on the Oline MS and BA could turn our franchise around in a year.

[B]We as Redskins fans have not had a QB of this caliber for a very long time.[/B] Also I read a post above that indicated that this was a one year rental, do you really believe that DM5 will not finish his career here in Washington. He has at the least 4 great years left and as many as 7.

There are also many fans on here who have said that MS didn't win a SB without Elway, well guess what guys. We've got our guy now. I would trade 2 draft picks to become relivent in the NFL again in a heartbeat.[/quote]

It's great that McNabb played well for the eagles but you cannot translate his success ounce for ounce to the Redskins.

Just because he had success with in the eagles offense doesn't mean he will have that same success here. We all know his skill set and the fact that he's a veteran QB but behind our line and new offensive scheme how is he going to translate?

...Right now his performance on OUR team cannot be quantified as good or bad. He's dealing with new variables across the board so predicting he'll be great is exaggerating at best.


BTW...as recently as last offseason there was talk about how great Haynesworth would be this year as a Skin. We all know his skill set and how he played with the titans but how did that translate to the Redskins? Being that he was offered up in trade talks I believe even Albert's perceived value suffered a loss.

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[quote=GTripp0012;683068]Talked to five football analysts that I really respect (not including myself). None are Redskins fans. None are Eagle fans. Two are Giants fans.

It was unianimous, 5-0, that the Redskins got boned hard in this trade. There is no one who I have talked to, who understands the game, who likes this trade for us.

That's just the facts.[/quote]

Opinions are now "facts"?


I've actually had the opposite experience, many non-Redskin/non-Eagle fans I've spoken to (very knowledgeable fans also) think the Eagles are stupid for making this deal and we're better for it. I spoke to someone who has been a diehard Eagle fan for 31 years...who gave up on the franchise and can't stomach their mistakes and the recent dismantling of the team. They're not "re-tooling", they're in an all-out dismantling and rebuilding job.


Personally, my vote in this thread goes to "Don't know...wait and see". I can't vote yes or no, I'm conflicted inside, still in a state of shock. I just didn't see this deal coming.

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[quote=skinsfan69;683071]I totally agree. You simply don't trade for McNabb and have him throw do our current wr's. Perhaps Cooley is being thrown around for a 2nd rounder and we deal that first rounder of Marshall and let Davis step in at TE. I'm telling you we're not done wheeling and dealing![/quote]I don't think Marshall is anyone's answer, but we're going to have to do something at the wide receiver position.

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[quote=skinsfan69;683071]I totally agree. You simply don't trade for McNabb and have him throw do our current wr's. Perhaps Cooley is being thrown around for a 2nd rounder and we deal that first rounder of Marshall and let Davis step in at TE. I'm telling you we're not done wheeling and dealing![/quote]

What's wrong with our receivers compared to some of the receiver groups that McNabb has had in the past?

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=skinsfan69;683071]I totally agree. You simply don't trade for McNabb and have him throw do our current wr's. Perhaps Cooley is being thrown around for a 2nd rounder and we deal that first rounder of Marshall and let Davis step in at TE. I'm telling you we're not done wheeling and dealing![/quote]

Adams_Heffer

TO in DC today meeting with Shanahan. TO quoted as saying, I need a job too and he was my quarterback[tears optional].





ps fictitious dont quote for truth!

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[quote=Buster;683073]Opinions are now "facts"?


I've actually had the opposite experience, many non-Redskin/non-Eagle fans I've spoken to (very knowledgeable fans also) think the Eagles are stupid for making this deal and we're better for it. I spoke to someone who has been a diehard Eagle fan for 31 years...who gave up on the franchise and can't stomach their mistakes and the recent dismantling of the team. They're not "re-tooling", they're in an all-out dismantling and rebuilding job.


Personally, my vote in this thread goes to "Don't know...wait and see". I can't vote yes or no, I'm conflicted inside, still in a state of shock. I just didn't see this deal coming.[/quote]I'm not talking about fans, there are hundreds of knowledgable fans who have weighed in here on the Warpath.

I'm talking analyst opinion from people who would know, if as you say, it's possible to know.

I don't need fan opinion because I am a fan, and already have an opinion.

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[quote=Audi;683076]What's wrong with our receivers compared to some of the receiver groups that McNabb has had in the past?[/quote]The suckage comes to mind.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683068]Talked to five football analysts that I really respect (not including myself). None are Redskins fans. None are Eagle fans. Two are Giants fans.

It was unianimous, 5-0, that the Redskins got boned hard in this trade. There is no one who I have talked to, who understands the game, who likes this trade for us.

That's just the facts.[/quote]

How do you get boned hard by giving up a 2nd rounder for a top ten NFL QB that still has several good years left?? I'm amazed by that.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683068]Talked to five football analysts that I really respect (not including myself). None are Redskins fans. None are Eagle fans. Two are Giants fans.

It was unianimous, 5-0, that the Redskins got boned hard in this trade. There is no one who I have talked to, who understands the game, who likes this trade for us.

That's just the facts.[/quote]
The questions are: Would we have picked a better qb with our 2nd rounder? NO, and: Are we better at qb than we were with JC? Unquestionably!!
Good move, now we need to make other good moves to regain picks, be it through trading players for picks or trade down from #4.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;683058]53 they just made it that much easier. And BTW we now know a hell of allot about what the eagles do on offense and defense.[/quote]

I'm not trying to argue with you, you either like the trade or are trying to look on the brightside. I'm trying to also but I'm having a hard time doing it. I don't think this was needed and will be interested to see what players are still on the board at #37. I would have been happier going in a different direction. Any coach who knows how to watch film could find out what he needs to know about Philly's offense and defense. I expected this team to be better this year with the added competition at RB and improvement to the o-line, which I think is key. I expected us to be better, even without McNabb.

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[quote=Audi;683076]What's wrong with our receivers compared to some of the receiver groups that McNabb has had in the past?[/quote]

well i'd say jackson is better that anyone we currently have. but i think mcnabb will make out current guys better. or he'll make them look better than jc did.