Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

If we sign Orton then I'm going to puke. There's a reason he's on his 3rd team. As much as I'd hate to give up a pick, I'd rather them go get someone who hasn't had a chance ( Hoyer, Flynn) then bring in Orton.

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i wouldn't mind signing orton as a backup

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[quote=SkinzWin;886397]So what? [B]We would have to trade away everything to get into the top 5 next year just like this year.[/B] And going that route you would have a raw, low round QB prospect who isn't ready to play and when Peyton get's the knockout blow for his career somewhere in the first 3 weeks, then what do we have for the rest of the season? Rex Grossman. No thank you.[/quote]

Agree. If somebody told you, that you had a greater than 50% shot of winning the lottery you would probably pay a high price for that ticket. Drafting a franchise QB is kind of like that. The risk is there, but the upside is worth it. In order to succeed in the playoffs you need a franchise QB. The teams that don’t have one are a revolving door getting into the playoffs every so often then having a few years not being there, with minimal success in the playoffs. In order to have longevity you need that QB. I think they have to make a play for RG3.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=skinsfan69;886464]If we sign Orton then I'm going to puke. There's a reason he's on his 3rd team. As much as I'd hate to give up a pick, I'd rather them go get someone who hasn't had a chance ( Hoyer, Flynn) then bring in Orton.[/quote]

Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

or

Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886471]Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

or

Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd[/quote]

Option 2.....all day.

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orton/rg3. manning is done

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886471]Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

or

Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd[/quote]

#2 all day.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886471]Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

or

Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd[/quote]

Sounds like in your opinion signing Orton is an indication that the skins will make a serious push for RG3.

Those are really the only 2 workable options to me. Orton is not enough of an immediate upgrade to pair with any sort of developmental QB and if they get Manning spending extra resources to move up for RG3 is highly unlikely.

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[quote=30gut;886378]but re:"this is what you're missing GTripp"
To my eye [I][B]Tannehill[/B][/I] has as much if not more physical talent then [I]Luck[/I].
Imo he has better arm talent then Luck, he's more athletic, he can throw equally as well on the run (which is a critically important trait that some elite QBs possess Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Vick, Ben Rothlisberger etc), they're about on the same level in throwing motion, I think Tannehill has a slightly quicker release and for me the most critical assest for me is playmaking.
Tannehill can can extends plays with his legs by evading pressure and can also gain chunks of yards that extend drives with his legs.
The main attributes that prevent Tannehill from being in the same tier as Luck are attainable for Tannehill through coaching and experience.
Tannehill simply lacks 'command'.[/quote]This probably is as close as I was hoping to get to understanding "why Tannehill?" I don't think the Ryan Tannehill who played at Texas A&M showed much of any of this, certainly I don't think he's in the same category with his arm or even with his athleticism that Andrew Luck is.

But I don't know, maybe Tannehill has great success starts a mass trend of college receivers being converted to quarterback in the pros. It seems strange, but if the QB position is really as important as people think it is, you'd think some of these QB gurus would be open to trying more athletes at the position.

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option 2

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886471]Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

or

Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd[/quote]

I would do neither. Losing two high draft picks is just too much. We're not good enough to give away picks. As I said, Qb's can be found later in the 1st round or 2nd round. Orton is just another Rex that doesn't know the system.

I wouldn't mind trading down but under NO circumstances do we bring Manning here. No more quick fix BS and then try and sell that crap to the fans. Manning is 36 years old with a bad neck. That's like buying a sports car with 150,000 miles. Only a matter of time before something goes wrong. Not a fan of Tannehill cause he's too raw. Draft Foles or Cousins, keep Rex and maybe try and sign Hoyer. So...next year you'd have a rookie qb, Hoyer and Rex.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886353]it's about future potential with Hoyer really. He's extremely well regarded by many NFL teams perhaps more so than Flynn in some cases.
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I live in New England and listen to a lot of talk radio and we have late night sports talk on TV on Sundays. I can tell you the people (beat reporters, ex-players, etc) who cover and comment on the team feel that the team believes in Hoyer to a huge degree. Like they think they're sitting on a major asset, way better than Cassel was. And this isn't just "the coaches say he's good" talk, or a smokescreen, they are talking about a palpable sense they get from everywhere in the organization about Hoyer.

There is talk now that they are considering putting the first round tender on him. If you think about what that means, it means they are thinking it might not be worth risking losing him for "only" a 2nd round pick. And this is a guy who can walk for nothing in a year. So, essentially they are debating whether one year of Hoyer as a back-up is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

Just FWIW.

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Option 2 is actually worth considering if all we had to give up to get RGIII (in addition to our #6 overall) were a 1st or 2nd. However, i dont think thats remotely realistic. Moving up would likely cost much more, so i'll take option 1.

Option 2 would not do too much to help us now, and we'd be putting way too much (in terms of draft picks) into one player, that, while has loads of upside, is way too much of a risk.

Option 1 (assuming mannings healthy) would allow us to win now, add additional players, while giving our QB of the future time to develop. Its the best of both worlds. Win now and later.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=celts32;886478]Sounds like in your opinion signing Orton is an indication that the skins will make a serious push for RG3.

Those are really the only 2 workable options to me. Orton is not enough of an immediate upgrade to pair with any sort of developmental QB and if they get Manning spending extra resources to move up for RG3 is highly unlikely.[/quote]

Not necessarily. I was just throwing it out there as an option. Of the two choices I'd prefer Manning (healthy), RT, and picks. Largely bc I don't think the gap between RG3 and RT is that big

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;886492]Option 2 is actually worth considering if all we had to give up to get RGIII (in addition to our #6 overall) were a 1st or 2nd. However, i dont think thats remotely realistic. Moving up would likely cost much more, so i'll take option 1.

Option 2 would not do too much to help us now, and we'd be putting way too much (in terms of draft picks) into one player, that, while has loads of upside, is way too much of a risk.

Option 1 (assuming mannings healthy) would allow us to win now, add additional players, while giving our QB of the future time to develop. Its the best of both worlds. Win now and later.[/quote]

I agree, option 1 gives the team the best of both worlds.