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[quote=SmootSmack;793485]Take out Newton and Gabbert b/c the Redskins won't trade up for either of those guys (I don't think)

Then you've probably got this order of preference, from what I've gathered

1. Dalton
1A. Locker
2. Ponder
3. Kaepernick
4. Mallet

However, after Ponder I believe that actually that cluster of McElroy, Taylor (maybe Stanzi) is preferable in 4th or 5th round over Kaepernick or Mallet in the 1st 2 rounds.

So, I would say if not Dalton, Locker, or Ponder then they probably wait a few rounds to take someone like McElroy. Again, no FA is really messing their plans up
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Kaep? That the most surprising to me because of the similarities to Tebow and the way Kyle felt about Tebow.

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[quote=freddyg12;793493]Tyrod![/quote]

"The following post is in Spanish would you like to translate it."

*Clicks yes*

[quote=freddyg12 Translated Post;793493]Mediocrity at best![/quote]

Lol, I kid. We have no shot at mediocrity with Tyrod.

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[quote=30gut;793514]Kaep? That the most surprising to me because of the similarities to Tebow and the way Kyle felt about Tebow.[/quote]

You lost me

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[quote=SmootSmack;793521]You lost me[/quote]
Just that Kyle didn't seem to high on Tebow last year and Kaep is a very similar prospect to Tebow except he arguably has a worse throwing motion and played in a more gimmicky offense:

[quote]If you draft him thinking you're going to correct (the flaws), then you're wrong," said Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, a former Bucs assistant. "I think it's going to be just as much up to him as the team that takes him. … If he's better at one thing than another, then you better figure out how to work that into your offense.

"If you draft him and think you're going to do what you've been doing all along, you're probably going to be getting him ready for the next coach who's going to replace you." [/quote]

[url=http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/nfl-scouts-scrutinizing-former-florida-quarterback-tim-tebow/1068154]NFL scouts scrutinizing former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow - St. Petersburg Times[/url]

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I have no idea what's being discussed in this thread to date, it's so long and I'm lazy. But thought I'd share a thought.

I see Mike Jones at Redskins Insider asking the question as to whether the Redskins need to jump on Quinn at 10 because there's such a huge drop at OLB after that, and if they trade down we'd even likely not have a shot at an impact OLB.

For me, we have so many needs that I don't care if we get an OLB there or not. Just give me a good player at NT, DE, OLB, QB, WR, or offensive line with that 10th pick. In fact, trade down to pick up more selections, and just take whatever falls to us. Chances are it will be a player that fills a need!

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[quote=30gut;793548]Just that Kyle didn't seem to high on Tebow last year and Kaep is a very similar prospect to Tebow except he arguably has a worse throwing motion and played in a more gimmicky offense:



[url=http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/nfl-scouts-scrutinizing-former-florida-quarterback-tim-tebow/1068154]NFL scouts scrutinizing former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow - St. Petersburg Times[/url][/quote]

I don't think I said the Skins were interested in Kaepernick. They're not really, as far as I know

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[quote=SmootSmack;793551]I don't think I said the Skins were interested in Kaepernick. They're not really, as far as I know[/quote]

Misunderstanding then, I thought that list was what you gather about how the Redskins ranked the QBs.

I would rank the QBs like this:
Tier 1
Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Mallet
Tier 2
Dalton, Ponder
Tier 3
Stanzi, Tyrod,

everyone else

special consideration for late round Jerrod Johnson (if healthy) because of scheme fit

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[quote=SmootSmack;793485]Take out Newton and Gabbert b/c the Redskins won't trade up for either of those guys (I don't think)

Then you've probably got this order of preference, from what I've gathered

1. Dalton
1A. Locker
2. Ponder
3. Kaepernick
4. Mallet

However, after Ponder I believe that actually that cluster of McElroy, Taylor (maybe Stanzi) is preferable in 4th or 5th round over Kaepernick or Mallet in the 1st 2 rounds.

So, I would say if not Dalton, Locker, or Ponder then they probably wait a few rounds to take someone like McElroy. Again, no FA is really messing their plans up[/quote]

SS, so there is substantial evidence to suggest that they prefer Dalton over Locker - even if it is slight?

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[quote=30gut;793613]Misunderstanding then, I thought that list was what you gather about how the Redskins ranked the QBs.

I would rank the QBs like this:
Tier 1
Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Mallet
Tier 2
Dalton, Ponder
Tier 3
Stanzi, Tyrod,

everyone else

special consideration for late round Jerrod Johnson (if healthy) because of scheme fit[/quote]

I probably didn't lay it out well. But I believe it's Dalton/Locker 1 and 1A or Locker/Dalton 1 and 1A depending on who you're asking.

Then-looking at strictly at the other QBs believed to be taken in the first 2 rounds (excluding Gabbert and Newton)-it's Ponder...and then basically no one else. I put Kaepernick and Mallet there, but that was just to fill out the list.

So let's say they are unable to get Dalton, Locker, and Ponder. Then they're not going to take Kaep or Mallet. They'll just wait until later and probably take one of the 2nd (3rd?) tier QBs

Between Locker and Dalton I don't think one is clearly ahead of the other, and maybe they just split the difference and go with Ponder.

Overall, my sources still say Quinn is the top choice at #10.

I've gone back and forth on it, but I think I'd like them to pull the trigger on Locker at 10. From what I've seen of him, he could be a total superstar (or a total flop). A safer pick is probably Ponder. But, and I think I've mentioned it before, I see Ponder as the safe pick. But I think if you're taking a QB early you're going for the superstar.

In my opinion it's basically go big or go home. Locker could totally blow up in their face. But I say go for it.

Of course if they could move down to get him that'd be great, but the could put a little wrench in that...and that's why no free agency and no trades sucks

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At the end of the day I think I'd be happy with either Locker or Dalton.

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Ive said it before and I will say it again, Locker is going to be a star no matter where he goes.

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After watching the Gruden QB camp, I came away impressed with Locker, more than I thought I would at least. I don't follow college ball much so my firsthand knowledge of him is pretty limited. But he seems like a tough kid, a natural leader, and he's got an impressive athletic skill set.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793618]
I've gone back and forth on it, but I think I'd like them to [B]pull the trigger on Locker[/B] at 10. From what I've seen of him, he could be a total superstar (or a total flop). A safer pick is probably Ponder. But, and I think I've mentioned it before, I see Ponder as the safe pick. But I think [B]if you're taking a QB early you're going for the superstar[/B].

In my opinion it's basically [B]go big or go home[/B]. Locker could totally blow up in their face. But I say go for it.

Of course if they could move down to get him that'd be great, but the could put a little wrench in that...and that's why no free agency and no trades sucks[/quote]

Locker isn't a reach at 10 if he turns into a Franchise QB for the next 12-15 years! Love this post!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;793661]After watching the Gruden QB camp, I came away impressed with Locker, more than I thought I would at least. I don't follow college ball much so my firsthand knowledge of him is pretty limited. But he seems like a tough kid, a natural leader, and he's got an impressive athletic skill set.[/quote]

Seems like he had a lot of responsibilities at the line of scrimmage in the Huskies' offense. No reason to think he won't work out here. Also, seems he has the same knocks as Cutler but with more athleticism and all the intangibles you could want. I may not work out, but I really hope we get this guy!

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Hmmm. I was pulling for Quinn in the first but I'm warming up to J Jones at 10 and J Locker via trading up in the first to het him. He won't be there at #41. Let's build chemistry between them as early as possible. In the 5th thru 7th rounds go all D.