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This is a bad time to be a free agent quarterback. The market is flooded with talent. Ramsey has got to be way down on the list. Here is a list of the most likely free agents and my best guess at a pecking order.
1. Daunte Culpepper
2. Drew Brees
3. Steve McNair
4. Aaron Brooks
5. Brian Griese
6. Jon Kitna
7. Chad Pennington

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]I don't know that he is slow in his reads or not. But John "the duck" Clayton says he is. And if Salisbury agrees with him, then there must be some merit to it.

Again, watch his feet. He is scared of making the decision. Don't the coaches tell him how many steps to take. Ive never heard of the 1000 step shuffle within 2 seconds. But Patrick has mastered it.

You know what top tier QB had mastered the 1000 step shuffle this past post season don't you? Let me give you a hint, Peyton Manning.

I guess when your little feet are going up and down constantly, because you are not relaxed, it can be difficult to plant and throw accurately.[/QUOTE]

That's always been the knock on him, he's not decisive enough in the pocket. I know some will want to argue he doesn't have enough experience and while that may hold some water to a degree, for a guy who's been in the league for 4 years you would expect him to have improved in that area more than he has.

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Remove Daunte from your list. Heard this morning he just had a big pay day. Likely to stay.

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[url="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11579600/"]Report: Vikings to pay Culpepper's roster bonus[/url]

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daunte, brees, and mcnair are probably staying.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]That's always been the knock on him, he's not decisive enough in the pocket. I know some will want to argue he doesn't have enough experience and while that may hold some water to a degree, for a guy who's been in the league for 4 years you would expect him to have improved in that area more than he has.[/QUOTE]

To his credit in his first two years in the league he was asked to hold on to the ball as long as possible to get something or someone open down the field. He was adjusting to the new system when he took over for Brunell year before last, and played against the NFLs top defenses going 3-4. he never really got a shot last year to play. He is not going to be offerred a starting job, he will be offerred a chance to earn the spot, and we may get a 4th to 6th rounder. which we should take.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]I don't know that he is slow in his reads or not. But John "the duck" Clayton says he is. And if Salisbury agrees with him, then there must be some merit to it.

Again, watch his feet. He is scared of making the decision. Don't the coaches tell him how many steps to take. Ive never heard of the 1000 step shuffle within 2 seconds. But Patrick has mastered it.

You know what top tier QB had mastered the 1000 step shuffle this past post season don't you? Let me give you a hint, Peyton Manning.

I guess when your little feet are going up and down constantly, because you are not relaxed, it can be difficult to plant and throw accurately.[/QUOTE]

Well, if Salisbury and Clayton agree, I guess we can take that to the bank [forgive the sarcasm].

To answer your question...no...coaches don't tell a QB to take a seven-step drop and then plant. The QB might have four reads and he can't plant until he picks one. And, under pressure they bounce because it enables them to move quickly just as boxers stay on their toes before they plant to throw a punch.

One way for a QB to appear decisive is to cheat on his reads. Sliding quickly from your primary to your checkdown will do it. Tim Hassleback won a job with us by getting rid of the ball quickly, like a West Coast QB (I wonder who taught him that). There's no way in hell he was running through all his reads.

When Ramsey started, the ball was being distributed to different receivers. That's an indication that he was running through all his reads. Given our protection problems, it was probably a mistake on his part due to lack of experience.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]To his credit in his first two years in the league he was asked to hold on to the ball as long as possible to get something or someone open down the field. He was adjusting to the new system when he took over for Brunell year before last, and played against the NFLs top defenses going 3-4. he never really got a shot last year to play. He is not going to be offerred a starting job, he will be offerred a chance to earn the spot, and we may get a 4th to 6th rounder. which we should take.[/QUOTE]

for a 6th rounder we might as well keep him.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]
One way for a QB to appear decisive is to cheat on his reads. Sliding quickly from your primary to your checkdown will do it. Tim Hassleback won a job with us by getting rid of the ball quickly, like a West Coast QB (I wonder who taught him that). There's no way in hell he was running through all his reads.
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in timmy's defense, he didn't really have the arm to get the ball to anyone else after they'd already had 1 second to run off the line ;)

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[QUOTE=That Guy]in timmy's defense, he didn't really have the arm to get the ball to anyone else after they'd already had 1 second to run off the line ;)[/QUOTE]

You have a point.

Actually, with today's blitzing defenses, I think a West Coast approach makes sense. Too many slow-developing pass plays puts a whole lot of pressure on the O line.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]for a 6th rounder we might as well keep him.[/QUOTE]

There is nothing in this world that is going to keep PR in Washington. He's gone one way or another no matter what.

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[QUOTE=irish]There is nothing in this world that is going to keep PR in Washington. He's gone one way or another no matter what.[/QUOTE]

never say never. everyone though he'd be gone when gibbs got brunell... everyone thought he'd be gone when campbell came in. gibbs said if he doesn't get value, he's going to keep him here.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]never say never. everyone though he'd be gone when gibbs got brunell... everyone thought he'd be gone when campbell came in. gibbs said if he doesn't get value, he's going to keep him here.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure Gibbs will get the choice. As far as I know PR is a free agent and he just wont sign any kind of a deal with the skins. PR does not want to be here and he'll go anywhere but here.

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[QUOTE=irish]I'm not sure Gibbs will get the choice. As far as I know PR is a free agent and he just wont sign any kind of a deal with the skins. PR does not want to be here and he'll go anywhere but here.[/QUOTE]

He's not a FA, but he's in the final year of his contract. The team is already committed to Brunell and Campbell, though, and it would make no sense to keep Ramsey inactive as a #3.

As my Post No. 1 in this thread says. Ramsey can make a trade work for everyone if he's willing to sign an extension with his new team, perhaps one heavy on incentives for performance rather than salary and bonus.

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[QUOTE=irish]I'm not sure Gibbs will get the choice. As far as I know PR is a free agent and he just wont sign any kind of a deal with the skins. PR does not want to be here and he'll go anywhere but here.[/QUOTE]

he's in the last year of his current deal, he has no say, its all at gibbs's descretion.