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wouldnt we change to a 3-4 if ryan is hired as dc? i dont think we have the personnel to run that

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[quote=Mattyk72;411490]I really don't care and Snyder probably doesn't either. [/quote]

It's pretty clear Snyder doesn't care at all. I'm a little mystified why you and the other mods are so surprised or disagree with the outrage, though.

The only conclusion I can reach is that you guys pretty much universally support whatever Snyder decides to do, beyond any loyalty to coaches or the team's overall legacy and history.

Frankly sometimes I think you guys really don't give enough credit to Skins fans, especially those on this board who disagree, many of whom have proven that they aren't just screaming hordes who want a win no matter what.

If this is the place for "The Knowledgeable Fan" why do you guys continue to speak condescendingly to people who don't just fall in line with whatever decree is handed down from Redskins Park?

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[quote=dgack;411486]Yeah, there won't be any fan exodus. If we stuck around for Martyball and The Ol' Ball Coach, I see no great fan abandonment because of The Fossil.

But I think you and Smooty are both wrong if you think that fans won't be left with a bad taste in their mouth and a general embarrassment at the way Snyder runs OUR team (yes I said ours) if it goes down like this.

The reason that fans stuck by Joe in the second half of this season had as much to do with the way he led the team with dignity and passion than it did with the fact that we were winning games nobody gave us a chance in.

That same reason is why folks are going to be bitter with Snyder even if he brings in a totally new staff and the team starts winning some games. I don't think Skins fans are content to win a few games and feel like being a bunch of a-holes in the FO is okay as a result.

We want to return to the class organization we used to be. Sure, win a Super Bowl and a lot of sins are forgiven, but give me a break, we're all a little tired of crowning ourselves Super Bowl Champs in August and sitting at home watching other teams in the playoffs come December.[/quote]
What class are you talking about because Snyder went with another coach? What does that have to do with class?

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[quote=firstdown;411500]What class are you talking about because Snyder went with another coach? What does that have to do with class?[/quote]

It's possible Dgack is referring to the Kent-Cooke era or even the Gibbs 2.0 era.

Yes, Gibbs had restored some sense of respectabiltiy to the organization and it looks as though we're on the brink of, perhaps, undoing that three weeks removed from his resigning.

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I cant believe that it isnt gonna be GW. It doesn't make sense, I didnt see this coming. I need more info on Fassel before I can make an opinion.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;411500]What class are you talking about because Snyder went with another coach? What does that have to do with class?[/QUOTE]I think you missed his point. I think he means that we all want the Skins to return to greatness; to be considered one of the best teams in the NFL year in and year out.
I don't think he means "class" as in [I]stay classy San Diego.[/I]

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[QUOTE=jsnyder03;411469]SmootSmack,

You are usually one of the most level-headed guys here, but it sure seems like you are in "damage control" mode. Will the fan exodus of this potential move hurt more than the mismanagement of this great franchise?

Schneed and redsk1 seem to be right on point. Just look at the War Path's poll, not everyone but an overwhelming majority want GW. As much because of his earning the job HERE, rather than his previous head coaching resume.

[b]And Paintrain, what's up with that sig comparing GW to Patrick Ramsey? Williams has had a successful NFL career! Comparing him to a disappointing 1st round pick is simply wrong.[/b]

For the record, I would like to see Williams as HC, keep Saunders and continue what Gibbs started. I would understand going with a Cowher type HC, but if we have to blow up the entire coaching staff for a "B" level HC, my heart-felt Redskins passion will take a huge hit.[/QUOTE]
It's a direct mocking parody of the 'Ramsey never got his fair chance' whining that went on when he was cut.. It's the same thing with Williams IMO.. He's not being given a chance to be the head coach so he's been wronged somehow..

I'm not a fan of Williams OR Fassel but I don't think either is God or the Devil either. Like I've said, it amazes me the blind faith a coach with a 17-31 NFL resume garners around here. Coordinating to being the head coach is a big jump that some aren't able to make (see Turner, Norval).

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[QUOTE=Campbell17;411503]I cant believe that it isnt gonna be GW. It doesn't make sense, I didnt see this coming. I need more info on Fassel before I can make an opinion.[/QUOTE]He had one good season a while back and he's chummy with Vinny C. That's about all you need to know.

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[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=az63IDqm0Iec&refer=home]Bloomberg.com: North American[/url]

I just found this. If Gregg Williams couldn't get the job with four 10 hour interviews, i dont know what to say. I didnt know we were considering Fassel before Gibbs came back.

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[quote=Paintrain;411506]It's a direct mocking parody of the 'Ramsey never got his fair chance' whining that went on when he was cut.. It's the same thing with Williams IMO.. He's not being given a chance to be the head coach so he's been wronged somehow..

I'm not a fan of Williams OR Fassel but I don't think either is God or the Devil either. Like I've said, it amazes me the blind faith a coach with a 17-31 NFL resume garners around here. Coordinating to being the head coach is a big jump that some aren't able to make (see Turner, Norval).[/quote]
Shhh, don't say that our D was ranked in the top ten this year if this happened last year people would be screaming anyone but GW. Remember those threads about how GW was the problem and his players where revolting against him. Yes, the same GW.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;411440]He's not mine:

#1 - The players, Gibbs and other coaches support and endorse him..

#2 - A new coach will not have the ability to change the roster for another 3 years at least. The cap situation will make it too difficult. The new coach will, for the most part, have to sink or swim for the next three years with the players already on the roster. See this thread for more:

[URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/22139-coach-selection-the-cap-rebuilding.html[/URL]

#3 - Can we please keep Jason Campbell in the same offensive system? Note that every time the team has gone with a new system, the year after the change resulted in 5-11 season (2004) and a 6-10 season (2006). After being in a system for a year, the team went to the playoffs in each subsequent season.

#4 - Getting rid of Gregg will mean you lose Saunders, Jerry Gray, and possibly Joe Bugel. I can't seen any scenario in which the new staff is comprised of better coaching minds than the one we've got right now. It's not all about the head coaches, it's about the assistants too.

#5 - Gregg felt the loss of Sean Taylor just as much as anyone on the team. He'll be in a position to relate to the players on a personal level. Chemistry between coaches and players cannot possibly be any better than with GW.[/QUOTE]

Ok, won't #2 also occur if Williams is the coach? For #3 Campbell played in a West Coast offense before and had his best collegiate season. It's not like he's having to learn a new sport. #4 Saunders was gone anyways so that's moot. So you believe we have the best staff of assistant coaches in the NFL? #5 I can't really debate, but I don't know how much that's gonna impact us on a 3rd and 13 at the 45 yard line in late November at Dallas..

I'm still not sure how any of those things make him the sure fire lock to be the coach to lead us for the near and far future.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;411512]Shhh, don't say that our D was ranked in the top ten this year if this happened last year people would be screaming anyone but GW. Remember those threads about how GW was the problem and his players where revolting against him. Yes, the same GW.[/QUOTE]

The exact point I made in another thread.. It's amazing how short people's memory is.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;411496]I tell you what I don't get - why is that folks are considered to be freaking out because they don't want Fassel as a head coach?

As someone said earlier, Williams is the "clear best choice."[/QUOTE]


I don't get it either. It's not a result of any dislike for Fassel or any other candidate Snyder choses, it's rather that as you concluded, many feel Williams is the best choice for now. I will support whoever the new coach may be because I'm a fan of the team.

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[QUOTE=dgack;411498]It's pretty clear Snyder doesn't care at all. I'm a little mystified why you and the other mods are so surprised or disagree with the outrage, though.

The only conclusion I can reach is that you guys pretty much universally support whatever Snyder decides to do, beyond any loyalty to coaches or the team's overall legacy and history.

Frankly sometimes I think you guys really don't give enough credit to Skins fans, especially those on this board who disagree, many of whom have proven that they aren't just screaming hordes who want a win no matter what.

If this is the place for "The Knowledgeable Fan" why do you guys continue to speak condescendingly to people who don't just fall in line with whatever decree is handed down from Redskins Park?[/QUOTE]


If Snyder didn't care, Mark Shapiro would add head coach to his Six Flags responsibilities.

Look, the 12thMans and Schneeds of this site who present valid arguments about their concerns-I have the utmost respect for them. Others who say stupid shit like "Danny needs to sell the team" "I'm getting rid of all my Redskins stuff" "I'll never watch another game" and so on-those people deserve to be mocked, ridiculed, and scorned. To the fullest extent. They don't need my respect of course, but if they're expecting it then they're certainly not going to get it with posts like that.

I think I've been pretty clear in saying Fassel is not my top choice. Neither is Williams really.

But what I've been saying (and I think others as well) is that a) no decision has been officially made so quit crying and b) why can't we see how everything plays out first (staff, roster) and make a more informed decision maybe sometime in the spring?

On another note. When I hear the Sean Taylor argument, while I understand it sometimes I can't help but relate it to when people ask "Why Giuliani?" and the answer is just "9/11"

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[QUOTE=Campbell17;411510][url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=az63IDqm0Iec&refer=home]Bloomberg.com: North American[/url]

I just found this. If Gregg Williams couldn't get the job with four 10 hour interviews, i dont know what to say. I didnt know we were considering Fassel before Gibbs came back.[/QUOTE]

What did you just find?