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[quote=hesscl34;469295]Next thing you know they'll be reports about them knocking boots ....

I'm telling ya, we are not ready...[/quote]

When is anybody REALLY ready for radical change? It always has some fallout....
BUT for trash like Bin Laden, he will understand and respect pretty damn fast when confronted by our first lady VP and a compliment of Delta force?

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=SmootSmack;469298]That's why he could never make it as an NFL receiver, he just wasn't committed to the job.[/quote]
Time management is EVERYTHING!

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=Buster;469279]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [IMG]http://www.teamzx2.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif[/IMG]

Obama released this statement, "She is not the change we need."


This man can not put a rational thought together.[/quote]

The script goes something like this:

[B]Obama:[/B] "We need change! Change, and hope!"

[B]General Audience:[/B] "Sounds good! But what kind of change? What are we changing TO?"

[B]Obama:[/B] "Just change. And hope too, don't forget the hope."

[B]Liberals:[/B] "Can't argue with that, change is good! Long as we go somewhere, who cares where it is, right?"

[B]Conservatives:[/B] "Change is scary. That nice looking old white man looks more reliable."

[B]Obama:[/B] "pssst...change! (and hope)"

[B]McCain:[/B] [I]Unavailable. Currently having some soldering work done on his iron lung.[/I]

[B]Obama:[/B] "We're hopeful FOR change! And the change will bring us hope!"

[B]General Audience:[/B] "I don't know, still not sure what's changing or what it's changing to.

[B]Liberals:[/B] "YEAH! We'll just hope that the change takes us where we want to go! We'll hammer out the specifics later."

[B]Conservatives:[/B] [I]Unavailable. Too embarrassed to comment.[/I]

[B]McCain:[/B] "I'll give you change! How does a 44-year old woman as VP sound?!"

[B]Obama:[/B] "Um...well, we don't really want THAT kind of change."

[B]General Audience:[/B] "So what kind of change is good?"

[B]Obama:[/B] "Don't know, but we know it's not that kind of change. It's change, just different."

[B]Liberals:[/B] "Woohoo! Change! And hope!"

[B]Conservatives:[/B] "Yowza! She's hot AND she's got a gun!"

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=hesscl34;469295]Next thing you know they'll be reports about them knocking boots ....

I'm telling ya, we are not ready...[/quote]

I hear what you are saying but I don't think the fact that we tend to sexualize relationships between men and woman needlessly in our society presents an issue. To me the poster that Buster ( ithink) made doesn't prove to me in any way that we aren't ready. Maybe it is just that she's good lookin' and people notice. Woamn supposedly swooned over Bill Clinton and we didn't question it.

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=SmootSmack;469298]That's why he could never make it as an NFL receiver, he just wasn't committed to the job.[/quote]
But he fought his guts out!!

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[quote=FRPLG;469309]I hear what you are saying but I don't think the fact that we tend to sexualize relationships between men and woman needlessly in our society presents an issue. To me the poster that Buster ( ithink) made doesn't prove to me in any way that we aren't ready. Maybe it is just that she's good lookin' and people notice. Woamn supposedly swooned over Bill Clinton and we didn't question it.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Women swooning over a male in power makes men feel even more powerful because in a way it gives them more control. Men swooning over a woman of power is considered degrading and disrespectful.... not fair.. but true.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Bill cheating on his wife however, did him no good - a lot of conservative women and men hated him for the lying and cheating. I wonder how men would feel if Sarah was bent over her oval office desk by some very hot young male yummy intern. Would it make her even more powerful? ....hmmmmm. Makes me think...[/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=hesscl34;469319][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Women swooning over a male in power makes men feel even more powerful because in a way it gives them more control. Men swooning over a woman of power is considered degrading and disrespectful.... not fair.. but true.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I'll buy that. Maybe what we need is a good strong woman every one can like respect to start shifting those societal norms. Or maybe the sexual playoff between men and women is human nature and will never change. Either way I am at this point to give her a chance and have no problem personally with a qualified woman with whom I share beliefs.

I can say this. Ths choice does make it MORE likely that I will vote for McCain whereas a pick like Romeny or some other retread did not.

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[quote=FRPLG;469328]I can say this. Ths choice does make it MORE likely that I will vote for McCain whereas a pick like Romeny or some other retread did not.[/quote]

The most interesting post so far in this thread. Does anybody feel the opposite with this? In other words, is anyone less likely to vote for McCain now?

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Why is [COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Tina[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Fey[/COLOR][/COLOR] running for VP?

[IMG]http://stuffpatrickshouldsee.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/153138__tinafey_l1.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://livingalaska.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sarah_palin2.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=724Skinsfan;469355]The most interesting post so far in this thread. Does anybody feel the opposite with this? In other words, is anyone less likely to vote for McCain now?[/quote]

.. I can't see myself voting for Oblahblah ... but this does change my feelings about voting for McCain now.. The move politically was brilliant, but I don't think the choice was made in the best interest of the country as a whole.

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=Buster;469265]She just gave an incredible speech and even gave credit to Ms. Clinton for furthering the progress of women. She told about her accomplishments of holding people accountable in government, her great experience and qualifications, and how her son joined the army.

She is infinitely more qualified than Obama with all of her executive experience and she has a strong set of morals on top of that. She;s a great speaker too and did nothing to trash her opponents.

McCain looks like a genius now.[/quote]

She did indeed give credit to Senator Clinton, with the reason being obvious, and the irony delicious. Since 1992, continuously topping the conservatives' hate list has been Hillary. Hillary is their undisputed "we hate" champion. And yet, what has become abundantly clear to Republicans is that their success in this year's general election is hinged on their ability to persuade those people who wanted HILLARY TO BE PRESIDENT (!!!) to vote for their ticket. Indeed, this makes McCain's choice of Palin a very smart one, with the "straight talk" philosophy he championed eight years ago being at the heart of this choice--"I'm not making any bones about this; I want Hillary's voters." Yup, for lovers of irony, this is a very good day.

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Come on though, people. I know this announcement, and the Biden announcement are both hot off the presses, so it gives people something to talk about.

But in the end, does anybody really vote based on who the VP is? I know I don't. Even when a candidate is 72 years old, I still don't. The probability of McCain dying in office is not that high (ask me again if he's running at age 76, I might feel differently).

The guy is in great shape.

In the end, you all know you're going to vote based on Obama vs McCain. If you're an Obama fan, the biggest reason to vote for him is not going to be "because McCain might die and leave a 44 year old with little experience in charge." You're going to vote for Obama because you want us out of Iraq, or you want tax changes, or you want changes in foreign policy.

Palin and Biden don't change much. This is still about McCain vs Obama. I don't think either VP pick is going to significantly sway the vote.

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=BringBackJoeT;469360]She did indeed give credit to Senator Clinton, with the reason being obvious, and the irony delicious. Since 1992, continuously topping the conservatives' hate list has been Hillary. Hillary is their undisputed "we hate" champion. And yet, what has become abundantly clear to Republicans is that their success in this year's general election is hinged on their ability to persuade those people who wanted HILLARY TO BE PRESIDENT (!!!) to vote for their ticket. Indeed, this makes McCain's choice of Palin a very smart one, with the "straight talk" philosophy he championed eight years ago being at the heart of this choice--"I'm not making any bones about this; I want Hillary's voters." Yup, for lovers of irony, this is a very good day.[/quote]

As politically brilliant as I think the selection is, I'm not buying the whole "it will sway Hillary voters" bit.

Anyone who was a Hillary supporter is going to have so many problems with Palin that the only thing Hillary and Palin will have in common is that they're both women.

If that fact alone is enough to completely ignore differences with respect to EVERY other area of policy and approach, then those voters could have been swayed with the promise of cupcakes and the Palin selection was unnecessary.

What I find funny is the reaction to this. Does anyone really expect die-hard Obama fans to suddenly change their position with the Palin selection? Please.

The selection really just fortifies his voting base and is a really good grab at a lot of the independent swing voters. Anyone expecting massive upheaval or for lifetime Democrats to suddenly vote Republican are sorely mistaken.

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=Schneed10;469372]Come on though, people. I know this announcement, and the Biden announcement are both hot off the presses, so it gives people something to talk about.

But in the end, does anybody really vote based on who the VP is? I know I don't. Even when a candidate is 72 years old, I still don't. The probability of McCain dying in office is not that high (ask me again if he's running at age 76, I might feel differently).

The guy is in great shape.

In the end, you all know you're going to vote based on Obama vs McCain. If you're an Obama fan, the biggest reason to vote for him is not going to be "because McCain might die and leave a 44 year old with little experience in charge." You're going to vote for Obama because you want us out of Iraq, or you want tax changes, or you want changes in foreign policy.

Palin and Biden don't change much. This is still about McCain vs Obama. I don't think either VP pick is going to significantly sway the vote.[/quote]

Pretty much sums it up right here.

Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate
 

[quote=Schneed10;469372]Come on though, people. I know this announcement, and the Biden announcement are both hot off the presses, so it gives people something to talk about.

But in the end, does anybody really vote based on who the VP is? I know I don't. Even when a candidate is 72 years old, I still don't. The probability of McCain dying in office is not that high (ask me again if he's running at age 76, I might feel differently).

The guy is in great shape.

In the end, you all know you're going to vote based on Obama vs McCain. If you're an Obama fan, the biggest reason to vote for him is not going to be "because McCain might die and leave a 44 year old with little experience in charge." You're going to vote for Obama because you want us out of Iraq, or you want tax changes, or you want changes in foreign policy.

Palin and Biden don't change much. This is still about McCain vs Obama. I don't think either VP pick is going to significantly sway the vote.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I disagree. I think this is the one time in history the VP is the most important choice for the campaigns. I pray Obama isn't assassinated, and I also pray McCain doesn't expire.. but I think both could very well happen, making the VP VERY important.[/FONT][/COLOR]