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[quote=SBXVII;524034]I thought you all might like this ...just to add a little humor to all our edgyness lately. LOL.

[URL="http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm"]Washington Redskins NFL Team Column[/URL][/quote]

That is hilarious!

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[quote=SBXVII;524041]I Also found this one to be interesting. It was written just after our 2008 draft. Interesting points about our picks. I loved how they were totally wrong about Horton. LOL.

[URL="http://cfn.scout.com/2/749765.html"]Scout.com: Washington Redskins - NFC East[/URL][/quote]

They hit the nail on the head with the Rinehart assessment. What a waste.

Xavier Adibi, Tashard Choice, and Tim Hightower were all available when we took Rinehart. I know we needed OL, but we also are looking for LBs and a compliment to Portis not named Betts...

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Tampa Bay added 6-foot-5, 243-pound WR Anthony Mix to its roster this week (Getty Images)

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have signed another wide receiver, but no, it's not Antonio Bryant or Michael Clayton, who are scheduled to become free agents on February 27. PewterReport.com is reporting the Bucs signed former Auburn WR/TE Anthony Mix, who played with RB Cadillac Williams in college, to a two-year contract.


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now what the hell are we going to do?

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Thank You dmek, unfortunatly that's old news. Some just didn't care for him as much as I did which is why the topic got brushed over so quickly.

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Trade down and add a 3rd take 1st round Max Unger ..He can play OT/C

Add Free Agent OT..Kalif Barnes,or Vernon Carey, Max Starks all could play RT
Add FA OLB Leroy Hill...or Angelo Crowell

3. Marcus Freeman OLB
3. Robert Ayers DE
5. Jeremiah Jhonson RBC
6. Clinton McDonald DT

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;523268]I agree with B, C, D,E G, and H. Can't cut Springs when you plan to deal Rogers. Bigger question for Springs is not attitude or anything like that, it is, will you get more than 9 games out of him. Resigning DeAngelo Hall should be top priority. Springs, Hall, Smoot, and a young FA or draft pick would be a good secondary.

IMO on the draft, all draft picks shoudl address OLine, DLine, and Linebacker.[/quote]

The only way I would keep Springs is if he was a luxury and would sit on the bench until week 9 and actually play the rest of the season. Only cause he will only play about 8 games for you and find an injury somewhere if he has to actually work more then 8 games to earn his money. He's the first cut on my list. Resign Hall, resign Rogers and make him happy. He did his job. He's a younger Smoot. Speaking of Smoot I'd keep him as the Nickle unless one of the other CB we have can step up ie; Westbrook (don't know why he is still on the team).

I like the idea of going after OL,DL, and LB in the draft. However anyone we bring in on the OL will take time to again get up to NFL speed and learn the plays. I would probably go after a seasoned younger OT in FA who can step right in and just have to learn the plays in order to protect JC. Then go after a big DT in the draft at #13 to collapse the pockets for us. Pick up a LB in a later round and perhaps another OL.

I would bring in non drafted RB's, CB's, and WR's to try out in camp. Yes we have to get a young healthier RB to groom to replace Betts now and if good enough replace Portis later. Bring in more CB's (although I've heard it's slim pickins at that position) and try some out. I mentioned WR cause it would be nice if we could find a diamond in the rough to groom there also. Maybe someone around the 5-11 size like Moss to replace him later. Make Kelly and Thomas the #1 and #2 WR's and have Moss be our #3 to keep him healthy and fresh all season. Trade or cut ARE or at the least utilize him in the #3 or #4 position.

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[quote=Mattyk72;523411]I agree, these crazy offseason plans by some people that involve cutting half the roster are just ridiculous. Our hands are tied with some big contracts and a limited number of draft picks. Those hoping for drastic changes to the roster are going to be really disappointed.[/quote]

I agree with your agree and I'd like to add that a big reason the Skins are in this fix is that as an organization they cant move on from players. They are always restructuring and adding years to contracts instead of just wishing players well and sending them on their way like the Steelers did with Porter. The Skins would have never done that.

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After much thought, I think the best draft choice we can make is . . . . Optimus Prime

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXG_zG2SEaw[/ame]

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The ultimate measure of keeping a player is his level of play on the field and his cap number. Do they meet up?
The only guys I have a problem with are the guy that are not producing like they used to and are collecting a big check, thus over paid. In other words they making way more than they currently are worth:
[B][U]Over priced[/U][/B]
Jason Taylor $8.5M
Marcus Washignton $6.5M
Randle-El $6.1M
Fred Smoot $4.1M (2009), $5.4M (2010) and a whopping $6.9M (2011)
Jon Jansen $3.4M (2009) and $6.4M (2010)

You can not cut Smoot and Jansen in 09 because the cap hit is too big. So if you cut the first three in 2009 and cut Jansen & Smoot in 2010 you would eventually save $26m on just 5 playes that are no longer producing and some of them are actually liabilities on the field.

Here is a list of guys that are a relative bargain, some of their salaries surprised me at how low they are in comparison to the above list:

[B][U]Bargains[/U][/B]

Carlos Rogers $2.4M (2009), $2.1M (2010) and $1M (2011) Big mistake to trade him!
Ladell Betts $1.9M (09), $2.7M(10), $1.7M(11), $1.6M(12), $1.6M(13). Cheap!
Rock Cartwright $1M(09), $1.6M(10)
Phillip Daniels $2.6M(09) and $2.6M(10)
Phillip Daniels is as old as they get, but when healthy the guy is a still a force. One of the strongest playes on the team. I thought his cap number was much higher. He might be worth keeping around if he can stay healthy. Big if.

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Why can't these contracts be drawn up according to stats. Another words if Smoot gets 1 tackle in 2011 he makes 7mil?? What garantee does the team have that a player will produce according to his contract $$$. It seems like the players are the only one with the garantee. There should be some sort of incentive system with a smaller base

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I doubt the team will do it or call it, but "if" the team was truely about getting younger and decided to call it "Rebuild" time then I've seen some posts on other sites that make some sense.

[B]dad23hogjrs
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Posts: 8
Location: Richmond, Va.
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:00 am Post subject:

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Blow it up?

Sure, here are some guys that would be a part of the "destruction"

ARE - moving him would increase our # against the cap 600k, we are already 3-4 M over, depending on where you get your info

Jansen - I've seen people coming for his head...great, that will cost you 2.78 million against the cap

Portis - YEAH, LETS GET CRAZY...crazy will cost you 7.7 M against the cap

Some other guys that not everyone is pointing pitch forks at, but would fit into blowing it up...

R. Thomas - costs you 4.5 M to move him; Moss - 464k against the cap to move; everyone on the "Trade Rogers" bandwagon - check this out - 1.43 M against the cap to pull that trigger

and my personal favorite:
"Trade cooley for a #2 OR 3" - that will cost you 8.1 M against the cap

We found a gem....so now you want to trade him so we can maybe do it again...but most likely not...makes sense.


You can't "Blow it Up" completely

why? because we laced the place with plutonium...


guys you can get rid of - more of a wittling

Springs - Saves 6M
Taylor - Saves 8.5M
M. Washington - Saves 4.5M
Griffin - Saves 3.62M
Rabach - Saves 2.35M
Daniels - Saves 2.3M

Sorry to say, everyone else costs you against the cap, or is worth more than what they save you against the cap.
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Then someone came up with this nice idea.

[B]DarthMonk
Hog


Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 295

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject:

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Below is the post that laid out cap implications. It's great info. Let's assume they are good data. 2 things:

1) All the cap hits just last one year. Massive cap room results in 1 year.

2) We have yet to discuss compensatory picks.

"Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, teams that lose more or better "compensatory" free agents than they acquire in a year are eligible to receive compensatory draft choices. No team can receive more than four."

Now although it looks painful (and may be) if we let go of say Jansen, Portis, Taylor, and Washington we save a net of 3 million immediately and are well on our way to 4 compensatory picks as well as a quick extra 23 million in cap space a year down the road. Three of those players (Jansen, Taylor, Washington) figure to not really help us next year (based on age and the last couple of years) and Portis (already locker room poison?) can be replaced. He's not Jim Brown and even Brown was probably replaceable to a certain extent by Bobby Mitchell (ask Welch).

I say get rid of these guys and a few more (Springs and Daniels?) and get

1) 13 million of immediate relief

2) 30 million in space in 1 year

3) 4 more draft picks

4) younger

We might even get better immediately and certainly will long term - especially if we finish the blow up in one more year.

Cooley is an example of what we want to do. Draft wisely and pay a homegrown star. He's a keeper.

We should mostly let the remaining linemen play out their contracts and draft replacements. My personal favorite for the #13 is Alex Mack, a center. Most mock drafts put him around #20 so a trade down while getting an extra pick along with Mack could be a possibility. He is generally thought of as a potential all-pro and many say "the best lineman in the draft, period." Check this out:

[url=http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Alex_Mack.htm]Alex Mack, 2009 NFL Draft Prospect[/url]

DarthMonk

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Maybe it's possible maybe not I leave that up to you CAP guys but it seemed sound. I kinda liked the idea if we are going to say we are in rebuild mode.

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Trading Cooley is a perfect example of what makes our team org. Constantly chaising it's tail. Why the heck would anyone in there right mind even consider trading Cooley. Like states. He is what we are trying to do. You don't trade Cooley you try to build a whole team of Cooley. I hate this trade mentality. That's why I opened the thread who you keep not who you sign. If we were to ever trade Cooley not that i think we would. I'm definatly done.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;524312]After much thought, I think the best draft choice we can make is . . . . Optimus Prime

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXG_zG2SEaw]YouTube - Transformers: the Movie Optimus Prime Vs. Megatron[/url][/quote]

somebody ban this guy

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;524147]Trade down and add a 3rd take 1st round Max Unger ..He can play OT/C

Add Free Agent OT..Kalif Barnes,or Vernon Carey, Max Starks all could play RT
Add FA OLB Leroy Hill...or Angelo Crowell

3. Marcus Freeman OLB
3. Robert Ayers DE
5. Jeremiah Jhonson RBC
6. Clinton McDonald DT[/quote]

this could happen and would be really good

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NEWS UPDATE>>>>>The Lions will mimic the Falcons this year and take LT at #1
and after a trade with Washington at #13 they get thier QB

Lions First round #1 & #13 after trade
Redskins First round #20 & 3rd Round #80