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Maybe I missed it, how are you defining "fascists"? (That question is for both Trample and Joethiesmanfan)

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[quote=JoeRedskin;686277]Maybe I missed it, how are you defining "fascists"? (That question is for both Trample and Joethiesmanfan)[/quote]

government lawyers tearing down the little people.

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[quote=Schneed10;686222]First off, this thread is retarded. Not because of the topic, but because of the mostly inane discussion that has ensued. There are some good points scattered but by and large, most of these posts are drivel.
[B]I think I can wrap up firstdown's feelings pretty succinctly. [B] He's in favor of lower taxes, but still thinks everyone should pay their fair share of those lower taxes.
In other words, he'd be more in favor of a flat tax, while keeping taxes relatively low. [/B]
I don't think for a second he's doing the math on that, but those are his feelings. Firstdown, go back to high school and take some expository writing classes. For Christ's sakes, you write like a child.[/quote]

Yup. And quite frankly, I just don't know that a flat tax would work or what percentage would be necessary to fund even a stripped down government. I would suggest that a straight flat tax with no gradation for income would simply be insufficient to fund such a government OR be so brutal (hand over 40% of your gross income) as to unpassable.

Mind, you I don't necessarily oppose the thought of a flat tax. Just wondering how it would look in real numbers.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;686278]government lawyers tearing down the little people.[/quote]

Considering all the govt. lawyers out there that's just pure democracy - majority rule.

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According to Tramp facists = Republicans and Democrats
conservatives = equal peopl that like small government, and if it ain't in the constitution we don't so it. (Space Exploration)?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;686277]Maybe I missed it, how are you defining "fascists"? (That question is for both Trample and Joethiesmanfan)[/quote]

It is how they define themselves, by they're actions, not what they tell you. No one is going to say they're fascist these days because of the association with WWII.

Fascism is the take over of industry by the state or vice versa. It is a left wing take over of industry or vice versa. Government and industry become one and are controlled by an oligarchy. Most of the time the General Staff puts up one of their own as the front man, Kadafi, Akma-dingle-berry, Mussolini, Franco, Hitler.

I would refine my classification as this:

Democrats = Communist (because they're international)

Republicans = Fascist (some of them still appear to have some loyalty to the US, but they're still socialist)

Democrats and liberals say that the Republicans and "so-called" conservatives are right wingers. There is a shred of truth in this. They are to the right of them, but they're still on the progressive wing of politics because of their socialist leanings. Examples: Jorge W Bush, Juan McShame.

I don't understand how anyone still believes in this Kabuki Theater? They're all socialist. Politics is nothing more than a soap opera for ugly people, WWF without beer.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;686313]It is how they define themselves, by they're actions, not what they tell you. No one is going to say they're fascist these days because of the association with WWII.

Fascism is the take over of industry by the state or vice versa. It is a left wing take over of industry or vice versa. Government and industry become one and are controlled by an oligarchy. Most of the time the General Staff puts up one of their own as the front man, Kadafi, Akma-dingle-berry, Mussolini, Franco, Hitler.

I would refine my classification as this:

Democrats = Communist (because they're international)

Republicans = Fascist (some of them still appear to have some loyalty to the US, but they're still socialist)

Democrats and liberals say that the Republicans and "so-called" conservatives are right wingers. There is a shred of truth in this. They are to the right of them, but they're still on the progressive wing of politics because of their socialist leanings. Examples: Jorge W Bush, Juan McShame.

I don't understand how anyone still believes in this Kabuki Theater? They're all socialist. Politics is nothing more than a soap opera for ugly people, WWF without beer.[/quote]

You need to be sent to a re-education camp.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686306]According to Tramp facists = Republicans and Democrats
conservatives = equal peopl that like small government, and if it ain't in the constitution we don't so it. (Space Exploration)?[/quote]


There are only two real choices:

Left = Oligarchy

Right = Constitutional Republic

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[quote=djnemo65;686098]I don't always agree with people like CRedskins, GMscud, and FRPLG, but at the end of the day I do respect their ability to cogently present and argue their respective positions. But Firstdown, you are just a headscratcher. 　You are against tax-cuts now? I really question whether you even understand your own political philosophy.[/quote]
It depends who's extending the cuts.

And there's no way that it can be argued that someone would be opposed because of our spending, because we've been throwing money around for years now.

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[quote=saden1;686319]You need to be sent to a re-education camp.[/quote]

Is that what your God told you Sodden? :rofl:

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Constitutional Republic. I call BS.
Outsourcing to China is a major f-up!!!
It is:
1. Propping up a Socialist country, not only propping up a socialist country, but we are now engaged in an economic symbiotic relationship with a socialist country.

My opinion: Sending jobs to China because it is cheaper labor is not capitalistic it is socialistic. Meg and Carly, you are both socialists. By doing this you are force feeding globalization, and creating market bubbles. Our corporations can survivie with purely capitalism but they wouldn't be as big. Instead of Apple we would have smaller competitive companies. Using China's cheaper labor allows corporations to increase their power and wealth exponentially. When a company skips American workers they are cheating the system. Pay the labor what it demands instead of trying to under pay labor. Corporations don't have to be so large. This will feed into the classical small governement model. When corporations become bigger than the government i.e. too big to fail, you are already in a socialist system. Stop crying it is what the greed created.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686388]Constitutional Republic. I call BS.
Outsourcing to China is a major f-up!!!
It is:
1. Propping up a Socialist country, not only propping up a socialist country, but we are now engaged in an economic symbiotic relationship with a socialist country.

My opinion: Sending jobs to China because it is cheaper labor is not capitalistic it is socialistic. Meg and Carly, you are both socialists. By doing this you are force feeding globalization, and creating market bubbles. Our corporations can survivie with purely capitalism but they wouldn't be as big. Instead of Apple we would have smaller competitive companies. Using China's cheaper labor allows corporations to increase their power and wealth exponentially. When a company skips American workers they are cheating the system. Pay the labor what it demands instead of trying to under pay labor. Corporations don't have to be so large. This will feed into the classical small governement model. When corporations become bigger than the government i.e. too big to fail, you are already in a socialist system. Stop crying it is what the greed created.[/quote]

:Smoker:puff puff pass dude:Smoker:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;686395]:Smoker:puff puff pass dude:Smoker:[/quote]


OK, not interested in what I got to say, fine.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686419]OK, not interested in what I got to say, fine.[/quote]

Just wondering if that ties back to the fact that 47% will pay no federal income tax, or just ranting for the sake of ranting.

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I've no problem with 47% not paying Federal Income Tax. If I had my way it would be 100%.