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just a curiosity question:

a man walks into a pharmacy with his 10 y.o son, goes to the condom section, and after talking to his son, purchases a pack. At the checkout counter, after paying he hands the pack to his son, and says now be careful. Should the clerk do anything?

same thing except now he walks in with his 7 y.o. daughter, and as they leave the counter he explains that she should make sure any boys she is with uses these. Should the clerk do anything? Wouldn't DSS be called by any bystander that saw this transaction?

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[quote=budw38;709053]I think having adults < educators > giving anything to minors , especially under the age of 16 is asking for trouble . I will try and give a good example , if I as a parent were trying to keep my 6-12 year old away for the tempation/s to drink , have sex , fight , smoke , ect .[B] My job would be much harder if the school were to make condoms , cig's , beer available .[/B] Maybe the school is not encouraging kids to have sex , however kids even up to 17 years of age will make bad choices , and giving them a reason to feel "protected "might drive them into a bad choice . I do not have kids , but I think we should leave kids under 12-13 alone < as far as the gov't / schools > , that is the parents responsibility as far as what age to have that type of discussion and what punishment might be handed out if they make the wrong choice . My point about the gun , was if the school is protecting a child by giving them condoms , then a kid who was getting beat up every day might need protection also , and I doubt any parent would be happy if the school said " you should be happy we are handing out guns , knives ect. to the weak kids ... its for their protection" . I know the comparison is a reach , just saying that IMO both would go to far , as the condoms were being given to six yr olds , 3 yrs removed from being a baby .[/quote]

Life is all about choice and personal responsibility. If you bring your children up right no one, and I mean no one, can undermine your teachings.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;709027]No.2: As I said to TTE, before we talk about what the appropriate solution is and who's responsibilty it is, would you agree that child sex has an effect on the public health.[/quote]
Yes it does , STD's , counsling , therapy , unwanted pregnancy , which can , 1) destroy a family or two , cause financial burden ( families ) and tax payers , and could damage ability of child/children to get a better education because they are forced to raise a child at a young age . I think the parents are resposible , so if two 16 year old produce , and have a baby ... the parents are financialy obligated to help raise/provide for the grandchild , maybe only in cases where the parents were opposed to condom use ..... tough call on much of the debate , i do have to add .... no way kids under < maybe 12 > should be treated as adults , which IMO giving them condoms does just that . Just my 2 cents .

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;709068]just a curiosity question:

a man walks into a pharmacy with his 10 y.o son, goes to the condom section, and after talking to his son, purchases a pack. At the checkout counter, after paying he hands the pack to his son, and says now be careful. Should the clerk do anything?

same thing except now he walks in with his 7 y.o. daughter, and as they leave the counter he explains that she should make sure any boys she is with uses these. Should the clerk do anything? Wouldn't DSS be called by any bystander that saw this transaction?[/quote]

Sex of the child dosesn't matter. What is the moral equivalence between your story and the schools teaching about condoms and making them available to all students?

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Yeah, giving Condoms out to 1st graders is pretty bad. Way to young. I think anyway. But, this wouldn't have even been an issue if Ronald Reagan didn't sit on his ass when the HIV/ AIDS epidemic hit San Francisco! If Reagan had actually done something to stop this and not made jokes about it there would be no safe sex stuff going on right now. Heck, just about all the other STD's are curable. But AIDS, thats not curable and it scares the crap out of everyone forcing them to "wrap it up".

And its all because our former President decided not to do anything about it. When he probably could have stopped it.

Here check it out:

[url=http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/happy-99th-birthday-ronald-reagan/politics/2010/02/06/7688]Happy 99th Birthday, Ronald Reagan! | The New Civil Rights Movement[/url]

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I think one of the things that is really messed up is the age of consent. Don't get me wrong, i'm not a pedophile, it's just that the law doesn't care if two 12 year olds are screwing like rabbits, but the minute somebody is 18 having sex with a minor, it's the end of the world.

Rape is still rape, but i see so many young men, and young women, whose lives get destroyed because of this age of consent stuff. The law doesnt care that they both wanted to have consensual sex, only that one person was legally an adult and therefore it is a crime.

They have to have some mitigating factor that keeps it fair. You can get a drivers license at 16, but yet sex is still illegal until your 18. My wife is 5 years younger than me, that means i would have been in jail when our relationship began in high school, going by today's laws.

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[quote=saden1;709075]Sex of the child dosesn't matter. What is the moral equivalence between your story and the schools teaching about condoms and making them available to all students?[/quote]
Thanks for reminding me why I am trying like hell to stay out of the political discussions.

Go Skins

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;709080]Thanks for reminding me why I am trying like hell to stay out of the political discussions.

Go Skins[/quote]

I wouldn't touch this thread with a ten foot pole with a condom on the end of it.

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[quote=saden1;709069]Life is all about choice and personal responsibility. If you bring your children up right no one, and I mean no one, can undermine your teachings.[/quote]
Saden , I agree with " personal responsibility " .... 100% . As far as undermining a parents teachings , if someone gets to your kid at an early enough age , Im not so sure . Not all kids have a great deal of confindence ,maybe they grow a little slower , are not as strong or athletic , acne ect. I do not disagree with your statement , but I have seen kids who were raised by good loving parents , give into peer pressure and mess up their lives , in some cases very badly . For what its worth , I live and let live , like most I get mad from time to time , but i just do what I need to do , enjoy life as much as possible and try and help others when I get the chance , like most Americans seem to . TGIF ..... happy hour is soon aproaching :) Have a great , safe weekend everyone ... oh If you see a blue corvette in your rear view mirror traveling at a high rate of speed , get out of my way , I only break for hot chicks < over 25 yrs old >[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLKSMK_K0Zs&feature=related"]YouTube - Corvette vs. Ferrari[/ame]. Remember .... stay out of my way , the road is all mine :)

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[quote=SolidSnake84;709078]I think one of the things that is really messed up is the age of consent. Don't get me wrong, i'm not a pedophile, it's just that the law doesn't care if two 12 year olds are screwing like rabbits, but the minute somebody is 18 having sex with a minor, it's the end of the world.

Rape is still rape, but i see so many young men, and young women, whose lives get destroyed because of this age of consent stuff. The law doesnt care that they both wanted to have consensual sex, only that one person was legally an adult and therefore it is a crime.

They have to have some mitigating factor that keeps it fair. You can get a drivers license at 16, but yet sex is still illegal until your 18. My wife is 5 years younger than me, that means i would have been in jail when our relationship began in high school, going by today's laws.[/quote]
Snake , 16 year olds can have sex ,with other 16 year olds , when an adult starts having sex with a minor , thats when it becomes a crime . As far as an 18 year old having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend , i agree that he should not be charged with a crime , that seems plain stupid . Now as far as you having 5 years on your wife , well you are both adults , however if you were 18 and having sex with a 13 year old ,,,,, thats a crime < not saying you were or even knew her then > , but if an 18 year old even attempted to hook up with either my 13 or 15 year old niece ... he would be safer in police custody then if I walked in on them . Any how , have a nice weekend SS .

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budw - man, i hope you dont open it up when theres traffic. i got no probs with people doing 100 when the coast is relatively clear but when its 5:30 pm on a tues and your trying to do 100 mph in traffic on I-95, your just putting everyones lives in danger.

not preachin, well maybe i am, but as a guy who spends 2-3 hours a day on highways, i see that crap in the video way to often. alot of times putting other people in danger.

check the chad jones thread for some perspective.

but please please please dont open it up in traffic and swerve and slam on brakes. when you speed then try and squeeze into a tight spot between 2 cars in an attempt to lane change, you are putting people in danger who just want to get home to their kids and family and some cold ones.

dont be that guy, please.

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finally a good line in this thread:

[QUOTE]get home to their kids and family and some cold ones[/QUOTE]
out of context but at 3:25 pm, all I want to do now is get out of this place, get home to my boys, and have a beer or two. the rest of this thread - fugget about it!

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[quote=Miller101;709076]Yeah, giving Condoms out to 1st graders is pretty bad. Way to young. I think anyway. But, this wouldn't have even been an issue if Ronald Reagan didn't sit on his ass when the HIV/ AIDS epidemic hit San Francisco! If Reagan had actually done something to stop this and not made jokes about it there would be no safe sex stuff going on right now. Heck, just about all the other STD's are curable. But AIDS, thats not curable and it scares the crap out of everyone forcing them to "wrap it up".

And its all because our former President decided not to do anything about it. When he probably could have stopped it.

Here check it out:

[URL="http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/happy-99th-birthday-ronald-reagan/politics/2010/02/06/7688"]Happy 99th Birthday, Ronald Reagan! | The New Civil Rights Movement[/URL][/quote]
Not sure the link is accurate , not all " quotes " are true . Just curious , why didn't the Dems in concress stop AIDS ? What about the leadership Europe , did RR make them ignore AIDS ? What about China , why didn't they end AIDS .... why didn't Clinton stop AIDS ? Most illnesses /disease can be controlled or prevented by us as individuals , diet , exercise , not taking up smoking , not to drink excessively , ect. Don't forget , when RR ran for president in ' 80 ... breast cancer happened to be public enemy #1 and very few knew much if anyting about AIDS until around '85 / 86 . Besides ,the President of the USA cannot prevent disease in our country let alone what happens around the world . Not saying RR or future presidents /world leaders couldn't have been more pro-active , but we do have other diseases that we have spent over 100 years trying to cure , cancer , MS , MD , diabetis , ect . No one man is responsible for all good , or bad .

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[quote=over the mountain;709092]budw - man, i hope you dont open it up when theres traffic. i got no probs with people doing 100 when the coast is relatively clear but when its 5:30 pm on a tues and your trying to do 100 mph in traffic on I-95, your just putting everyones lives in danger.

not preachin, well maybe i am, but as a guy who spends 2-3 hours a day on highways, i see that crap in the video way to often. alot of times putting other people in danger.

check the chad jones thread for some perspective.

but please please please dont open it up in traffic and swerve and slam on brakes. when you speed then try and squeeze into a tight spot between 2 cars in an attempt to lane change, you are putting people in danger who just want to get home to their kids and family and some cold ones.

dont be that guy, please.[/quote] Hey ,I thought you knew that ws a clip from youtube < I think Ca. > .... that is not me driving , nor do I know who is . I did have a hotrod '71 chevy , but I would never drive like that with other cars on the road , or go from lane to lane . Im 45 years old , have lost 4 good friends over the years from car /motorcycle accidents , honestly , for what it is worth , i have a great deal of respect for our roads and other drivers , bikers and cyclists . And I do not drink and drive , sorry if you thought one of you warpath brothers would behave that way .... have a great weekend.