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I don't accept Global Climate Change as a thing that mankind has caused and is causing.

However, certainly Global Warming is a misnomer, because it is more that the whole climate is changing (as it has from the beginning, before Science could effectively measure it). That does lead to more extremes both hot and cold weather related.

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[quote=Hog1;726972]Can not the same be said of the extreme cold weather in the same area last winter?[/quote]


It wasn't extreme cold.

It was extreme snow and that is also caused by global warming.

Here is an article from Time magazine.

[url=http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1962294,00.html]Snowstorm: East Coast Blizzard Tied to Climate Change - TIME[/url]

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It's funny how people tend to conflate global warming with an increase in tempartures.

I'm trying to up my post count today, sorry.

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[quote=12thMan;726984]It's funny how people tend to conflate global warming with an increase in temperatures.

I'm trying to up my post count today, sorry.[/quote]

Are you sure you aren't trying to provoke Buster?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;726976]I don't accept Global Climate Change as a thing that mankind has caused and is causing.

However, certainly Global Warming is a misnomer, because it is more that the whole climate is changing (as it has from the beginning, before Science could effectively measure it). That does lead to more extremes both hot and cold weather related.[/quote]

You don't accept it?

When you burn a hole in the atmosphere which is something that has never happened before you won't get both extremes. The cycle will be broken.

There will only be one extreme.

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Didn't we have a global warming thread?

Data is piling up that some type of climate change is occuring. IMHO - based on lots of reading over the past years trying to discern the "truth" - data is inconclusive, at best, in tying humanity's actions to the causation of the climate change.

It is such a politicized subject that truly objective and balanced information is hard to find. Each side tends to present facts that support their opinions and no real critical analysis is done. Much of the research and testing done is not goal neutral but, rather, done by scientists who are being paid to find certain conclusions - on [I]both[/I] sides of the issue.

So much statistical BS out there and very little critical thinking.

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I don't accept the principle that man's actions alone and in isolation cause a dramatic shift in a complex environment made up of billions of interacting particles. Nor do I accept as a valid premise that a man driving a 25mpg car has done more to save this vast environment than a man driving a 15mpg car, when every day a single jet flying overhead will use more aviation fuel in a single trip than a 10mpg difference will use in a year or 2. Instead, we have pop stars flying from concert to concert telling the "normal" folk how to save the earth as they light off pyrotechnics which again burn more energy, and cause more polluting in a single event than an urban mother with 2 kids will use in a month.

Bottomline, fear laced with a limited knowledge, and fueled by base scientific "proof", leads to poor education, and even worse policy.

Is the climate changing, absolutely. does a recycled plastic bottle affect it? Drop a tiny grain of sand in the ocean, and tell me if you managed to stop Earl?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;726663]Which would then mean I could base an entire religion around it, as has been done so many times throughout history. Like I said, I'm happy for other people to believe in these things if it helps them cope... whatever works. [B]Just keep your crazy out of the government, thanks...[/B][/quote]Beck is what he is. Sounds to me like the rally was positive event for those that participated.

The problem with the bolded statement is that the Founding Fathers were "crazy" and they believed (as do over 90% of Americans) that the basis for our unalienable rights is from God, not other men or "government". Very important distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/23/AR2008062300813.html?sid=ST2008062300818&s_pos"]Most Americans Believe in Higher Power, Poll Finds - washingtonpost.com[/URL]=

I know the problem the non-religious have with those who are religious is when they carry their desire to "save" everyone to extremes and try to force their beliefs on others. I understand and completely agree with the non-religious on that. However, those who believe (myself included) have a problem with being characterized as believing in "fairy tales" or just flat out being "crazy". The religion issue is always a very touchy subject for most and it is often brought to extremes by those on the fringes.

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Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.

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[quote=wilsowilso;726989]You don't accept it?

When you burn a hole in the atmosphere which [B]is something that has never happened before[/B] you won't get both extremes. The cycle will be broken.

There will only be one extreme.[/quote]

And you have the atmospheric data from the 1700 & 1800's to prove this? Or better yet, from the 1000's and 1200's (during the last warming trend)? There are many studies demonstrating that ozone depletion may have occurred in the past due to other factors.

In fairness, human created CFC's likely caused the current Antarctic Ozone depletion but, under the 1987 Montreal Protocols, the CFC's have been essentially eliminated as of 1996 and the Antarctic ozone depletion has begun a recovery. It will take time (50-100 years) and cooperation but the ozone layer is expected to make a complete recovery - yay!!. Even as it recovers, however, the studied climate change data seems to indicate a general wider cooling/warming trend (i.e. - hotter than normal summers, cooler than normal winters). Thus, the former clarion call for humanity's affect on the global climate change ("We burned a hole in the atmosphere!!") is creating conflicting data.

Again, there are soooo many factors that affect the climate to assert humanity as [I]the[/I] causation of global climate change is, to my mind, an incredible act of hubris.

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[quote=Mattyk;727001]Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.[/quote]

You speaketh the truthiest.

What sayeth the mob to this??

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[quote=Mattyk;727001]Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.[/quote]LOL. I can sit and watch Hannity, O'Reilly, the Sunday AM shows, but I can never watch Beck for more than a couple of minutes before clicking out.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;726998]Beck is what he is. Sounds to me like the rally was positive event for those that participated.

The problem with the bolded statement is that the Founding Fathers were "crazy" and they believed (as do over 90% of Americans) that the basis for our unalienable rights is from God, not other men or "government". Very important distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/23/AR2008062300813.html?sid=ST2008062300818&s_pos"]Most Americans Believe in Higher Power, Poll Finds - washingtonpost.com[/URL]=

I know the problem the non-religious have with those who are religious is when they carry their desire to "save" everyone to extremes and try to force their beliefs on others. I understand and completely agree with the non-religious on that. However, those who believe (myself included) have a problem with being characterized as believing in "fairy tales" or just flat out being "crazy". The religion issue is always a very touchy subject for most and it is often brought to extremes by those on the fringes.[/quote]

Excellent post.

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing my beliefs being referred to as fairy tales by those who chose to believe differently.

BB, where do your "inalienable rights" come from? If you do not believe in the existence of a being outside creation, aren't they just conveyed to you by other humans? If so conveyed, isn't it equally true that they can be legitimately denied by the same?

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[quote=wilsowilso;726967]Did you happen to notice the summer weather on the East Coast this year? In many areas it was the hottest summer ever recorded.

[B]Ever.[/B]

Take your head out of the sand. Global warming is a scientific fact.

Unfortunately major corporate polluters are spending truckloads of money in an attempt to discredit the science. It's criminal behavior and you shouldn't support it if you have any respect for the environment.[/quote]

I never said global warming was not happening. By the way the scientist discredited them self. You also act like Gore has not made millions and millions off his BS but the man made global warming people seem to ignore his huge $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ interest in this whole thing.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;727016]You speaketh the truthiest.

What sayeth the mob to this??[/quote]

I cannot decide............