re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;743587]Doesn't excuse his lousy approach to practice. Betts and Cartwright made mention of it. He had good years for us, no doubt, but I believe that they would have been even more amazing if there someone behind him that actually would have intimidated him just a little. Sadly, too little too late.[/quote]

So you think that a guy with 40 some carries in 2 years is now pushing CP.:pffff:

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;743587]Doesn't excuse his lousy approach to practice. Betts and Cartwright made mention of it. He had good years for us, no doubt, but I believe that they would have been even more amazing if there someone behind him that actually would have intimidated him just a little. Sadly, too little too late.[/quote]

Betts isn't really someone who should be making comments about someone's lousy approach to practice...and that's all I'm going to say about that

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[quote=SmootSmack;743663]Betts isn't really someone who should be making comments about someone's lousy approach to practice...and that's all I'm going to say about that[/quote]

I don't ever remember Betts commenting on CP and if he did I'm sure some here would have started a thread on that.

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=firstdown;743660]So you think that a guy with 40 some carries in 2 years is now pushing CP.:blah:[/quote]

Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year due to his salary and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

Rabach is the final piece to be replaced.

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;743665]Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year due to his salary and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...[/quote]

Everything I ever heard or read was that LJ and Parker both were fighting for the job behind CP.

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=Buster;743670]Rabach is the final piece to be replaced.[/quote]

Here's hoping. God Rabach is awful.

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=firstdown;743660]So you think that a guy with 40 some carries in 2 years is now pushing CP.:pffff:[/quote]

You do realize that before stats gets logged, there's talent to be had? If we were to take your ridiculous premise to the extreme, everyone without a consistent stat line sucks and everyone with stats are good, even the retired Jerry Rice. Larry Johnson>Jamaal Charles? In your world, yes.

Torain broke some good runs and showed good vision. Plus, Portis was pulled for him by Shanahan. They may have blamed it on the injury, but knowing Portis, you know that he wasn't going to take this lightly. So hell yeah, Torain pushed him.


Oh, and for those 40 carries, he's averaging 4.6 yards a pop.

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[quote=firstdown;743675]Everything I ever heard or read was that LJ and Parker both were fighting for the job behind CP.[/quote]

LJ was one of those practice wonders. That's why he made the team. The training camp reports always reported him running full speed and finishing runs. He was cut because he wasn't a "gamer". He also displayed a good attitude, like asking to even play against the third-stringers to try and make the team. Obviously, you aren't going to win against this approach unless you adopt it yourself. Portis played in the preseason without a peep. He slimmed down, etc.

You know how Shanahan can bring down the discipline, like with what he did after Cooley's comments. A player who doesn't practice won't play is one of his mantras that he rarely deviates from, as we all know from the Haynesworth affair.

Obviously, that would motivate Portis to run just as hard. NFL Players view each other differently than outsiders. They're a like fraternity. Portis likely had respect for both Parker's and Johnson's track records.

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;743665]Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. [B]It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.[/B]

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year due to his salary and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...[/quote]


Do you actually have evidence of this? And please don't use the example of not playing in the preseason, because there was good reason for him not playing in preseason after he had gotten injured.

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;743665]Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year [B]due to his salary[/B] and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...[/quote]

Do you mean because this is the last year of his guaranteed $? That could be the case, but that could also be the reason he stays - he won't cost as much. I don't know the details of his contract but if he's still under contract next year at a reasonable price, keep him as a 3rd down back & draft a young rb (or 2) to go w/he & Torain, maybe Williams.

Now that Shanny has gotten him to work, CP as a 3rd down back would be ideal, and they won't be likely to find anyone to fill that role next year in the draft.

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;743665]Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year due to his salary and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...[/quote]

It now seems to me that looking back on it Gibbs was Danny & Vinny's enabler. He gave an air of legitimacy to a lot of the crazy personnel moves they made.

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

not to derail this thread...but does anyone know the outcome of Portis's MRI?

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

[quote=irish;743853]It now seems to me that looking back on it Gibbs was Danny & Vinny's enabler. He gave an air of legitimacy to a lot of the crazy personnel moves they made.[/quote]

Guess that could be the case, but my impression of the relationship was always that Gibbs made personel decisions but Vinny was the executor of the deals. This explains why so many draft picks went out the door during Gibbs II & during the Zorn years. e.g. it wasn't so bad that Vinny got Jason Taylor, but for a 2nd & 6th that was a steep price to pay. All the trades during Gibbs' time were lopsided & not in our favor.

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[quote=freddyg12;743862]Guess that could be the case, but my impression of the relationship was always that Gibbs made personel decisions but Vinny was the executor of the deals. This explains why so many draft picks went out the door during Gibbs II & during the Zorn years. e.g. it wasn't so bad that Vinny got Jason Taylor, but for a 2nd & 6th that was a steep price to pay. All the trades during Gibbs' time were lopsided & not in our favor.[/quote]

Gibbs had the final say. Period. Remember Desmond Howard? Gibbs took the blame for that move. We traded away a freaking 6th and 28th pick in the first round for a colossal bust.

Gibbs also said he didn't trust the draft. Not exactly his own words because I can't find the direct quote, but that's the gist of it.