Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=GTripp0012;816187]I think Bruce Allen is a good executive (he's won exec of the year before in the NFL), and I think there's plenty of evidence from this offseason if you want to see he's a good executive.

But overpaying Bowen and Chester is overpaying Bowen and Chester. Allen's thing is good contracts, and he's lived up to the hype so far, but his last two signings are not good, team-friendly contracts.

It's still way too early to limit the parallels between Vinny Cerrato's show and Mike Shanahan's show. If Shanahan is different, he'll win more games. Two years under Cerrato, we averaged six wins per year. One year under Shanahan, we won six games. If our current executives are better than our prior ones, it will show in the results. I promise.[/quote]

Shouldn't we at least wait to see how they pan out on the field before determining if they are bad contracts or not. Plus we don't know how the contracts are even structured.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=Mattyk;816230]Shouldn't we at least wait to see how they pan out on the field before determining if they are bad contracts or not. Plus we don't know how the contracts are even structured.[/quote]I don't see why we would wait until their on the field considering the execs don't have that benefit.

I do want to see the structure of the Chester deal. I'm not afraid to change my judgement instantly if its different than what I'm expecting, see: the McNabb extension.

I'll just point out that paying backups like starters was the mistake made in 2006. That was the mistake with Lloyd, Randle El, Fauria, not their lack of talent, necessarily. Randle El actually ended up a pretty good player here, but he never did shake the stigma of the contract he signed.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=Monkeydad;816191]At least we didn't trade a Pro Bowl CB and 2nd-Round pick for a backup QB...then pay him $63 million. :D[/quote]

And that's why the Cardinals are the Cardinals. That was one STUPID move. If I were them I just would've tried to get Bulger and keep the pick and your top corner. Terrible awful over pay. It seems that they've just gone downhill after that SB run.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=Mattyk;816230]Shouldn't we at least wait to see how they pan out on the field before determining if they are bad contracts or not. Plus we don't know how the contracts are even structured.[/quote]

I just kind of get the feeling that it's just the same old same old. The only move I really like is Cofield. He's at least shown he's a baller. The other guys are sort of so so. Let's sign guys and see who sticks. However I assume cause of the cap that we have to spend money? Is that correct since we're so far under the cap?

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=skinsfan69;816304]I just kind of get the feeling that it's just the same old same old. The only move I really like is Cofield. He's at least shown he's a baller. The other guys are sort of so so. Let's sign guys and see who sticks. However I assume cause of the cap that we have to spend money? Is that correct since we're so far under the cap?[/quote]

It's funny that you mention Cofield, b/c I see his signing somewhat similar to what we have done before, sign a FA that doesn't fit our scheme. Otherwise, I don't see how these signings are similar to the busts we have had before.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=skinsfan69;816303]And that's why the Cardinals are the Cardinals. That was one STUPID move. If I were them I just would've tried to get Bulger and keep the pick and your top corner. Terrible awful over pay. It seems that they've just gone downhill after that SB run.[/quote]

I thought Orton was the best choice for them.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

I'll be honest, I didn't know much about Chester or Bowen, good or bad, before yesterday. That said I'm willing to see what they've got before I write them off, or praise them as good signings. I'll give them an incomplete for now.

Thought this was interesting

[url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/18/secret-superstar-stephen-bowen-dallas-cowboys/]Secret Superstar: Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboys | ProFootballFocus.com[/url]

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=Ruhskins;816306]It's funny that you mention Cofield, b/c I see his signing somewhat similar to what we have done before, sign a FA that doesn't fit our scheme. Otherwise, I don't see how these signings are similar to the busts we have had before.[/quote]

Cofield has played nose tackle before. Just because the Giants have been running a 4-3 recently doesn't mean Cofield doesn't fit our scheme. He's over 300 pounds but is quick and gets to the QB. He'll do fine in the middle.



Here's a nice article/discussion about him:

[URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/7/29/2301945/snide-debate-is-barry-cofield-the-answer-for-25th-ranked-defense"]Snide Debate: Is Barry Cofield The Answer for 25th Ranked Defense? - Hogs Haven[/URL]


More:
[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2011/07/27/barry-cofield-signs-with-redskins/"]Barry Cofield Signs With Redskins « CBS Washington[/URL]

[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/770887-nfl-rumors-latest-buzz-on-nfl-lockout-free-agency-and-more/entry/110774-nfl-rumors-washington-redskins-agree-to-terms-with-giants-dt-barry-cofield"]NFL Rumors: Washington Redskins Agree to Terms with Giants DT Barry Cofield | Bleacher Report[/URL]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hard-hits/post/redskins-could-use-barry-cofield-in-a-number-of-ways/2011/07/27/gIQAtg8pcI_blog.html"]Redskins could use Barry Cofield in a number of ways - Hard Hits - The Washington Post[/URL]

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=Monkeydad;816316]Cofield has played nose tackle before. Just because the Giants have been running a 4-3 recently doesn't mean Cofield doesn't fit our scheme. He's over 300 pounds but is quick and gets to the QB. He'll do fine in the middle.
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Yes, but he's been a 4-3 DT for the Giants for his entire career. I'm sure he could be a fine NT, but once again if you are going to spend money you want someone that doesn't need to re-learn the position and/or needing to gain 20-30 lbs.

I'm not sh*tting on the signing, but I would have signed either Bowen or Cofield, and sign a NT with experience in a 3-4 position (i.e. Franklin).

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

We may not be done and Franklin has not signed anywhere yet.

Antonio Bryant could be valuable too, a lot of people are forgetting him. Plus, Jarvis Jenkins, pick #41 in the draft can play NT (we're planning on using him at end for now) and even Chris Nield too.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=Monkeydad;816329]We may not be done and Franklin has not signed anywhere yet.[/quote]

I highly doubt we would sign Franklin at this point. I think getting Franklin would be better than having Cofield switch to NT.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=Ruhskins;816332]I highly doubt we would sign Franklin at this point. I think getting Franklin would be better than having Cofield switch to NT.[/quote]

You're missing the point, he's not switching to NT...he has been a NT.

Played NT in college and was used like one occasionally with NY too.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=Ruhskins;816328]Yes, but he's been a 4-3 DT for the Giants for his entire career. I'm sure he could be a fine NT, but once again if you are going to spend money you want someone that doesn't need to re-learn the position and/or needing to gain 20-30 lbs.

I'm not sh*tting on the signing, but I would have signed either Bowen or Cofield, and sign a NT with experience in a 3-4 position (i.e. Franklin).[/quote]

I like that Cofield and J. Jenkins have the skills where they can at least rotate in at NT throughout the course of a game.

Our D-line went from being a really weak spot to having a lot of pretty good players. Carriker, Bowen, Jenkins, Cofield, Bryant, Holliday. I like where they are at WAY more than where the were last season.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

[quote=Monkeydad;816334]You're missing the point, he's not switching to NT...he has been a NT.

Played NT in college and was used like one occasionally with NY too.[/quote]

Yes, but he was a 4-3 NT. The Giants have a 4-3 defense, much different than having the experience of being a 3-4 NT. They are similar, but not the same. The reason Franklin seemed like a target, was because of his experience. Once again, Cofield could become a good 3-4 NT, but he could not. Much different than bringing a vet that has already the experience of being a 3-4 NT.

Now, if we are running a Wade Phillip-style of the 3-4, then Cofield would seem more suited as nose, since that style of the 3-4 uses a lighter NT that attacks the gap (like Ratliff with the Cowboys).

Still, Cofield could become a good traditional 3-4 NT, but we also have Bryant, Jenkins, and Neild who could do the same.

Re: Chris Chester Signs
 

Cofield will be a depth NT, probably behind Bryant and/or Neild.