[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;1074068]SB winners aren't the only great coaches.[/QUOTE]


No they are not. Thats because the hand you are dealt has sooo much to do with it. That team was disgustingly blessed with talent also. Im not sure how much Noll had to do with the draft, but between his coaching smarts and the bulk of those players......dang.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1074113]I imagine Manziel is one of those polarizing guys in a locker room. A lot will love him b/c he epitomizes the "look at me" part of playing sports.

Some players, who are not necessarily bad teammates but who love it when they get to draw attention to themselves, will look at Manziel and think "yeah, I would be doing that too if I could, more power to him." Mixed in with them will be the guys who are the Brett Farve love the game guys - players who really just want to play. It's not a job, it's a game. These groups of players are going to stick up for him and accuse his critics as just being haters.

Other players, the guys who work their craft, who see football as a job and think the best way to succeed is to be team first/individual second, are going to HATE him - even if he is successful on the field.

Admittedly, I don't know much about the guy, but everything I see about him points to a selfish, entitled personality for which I have a baseline dislike. Pretty sure I would be one of those who thought "He better be really damn good and then I will only tolerate him."

Manziel and Griffin? Not even close.[/quote]

For a second I thought once he became a professional he would cease some of the "act"...now Im realizing this is who he is really is...he is like the messiah of douchebags.

A guy who puts a stack of money up to his ear like its a phone and actually speaks into it is the douchebag prophet.

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Why the hate for Manziel? This thing with the money is a non-issue. Now, if he starts skipping Cleveland's workouts, gets caught smoking weed multiple times by the NFL, or kicks other players in the crotch, then I'd understand the dislike. But I don't think he's done anything hate-worthy yet.

Personally, I hope Manziel succeeds in the NFL. It'll take some maturing, but I think he'll grow up with time.

Manziel-Griffin lll is a terrible comparison. Griffin was more mature, more humble, and had a better work ethic coming out. Griffin and Manziel are very different people, with different games as well.

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[quote=Chico23231;1074116]For a second I thought once he became a professional he would cease some of the "act"...now Im realizing this is who he is really is...he is like [B]the messiah of douchebags[/B].

A guy who puts a stack of money up to his ear like its a phone and actually speaks into it is the douchebag prophet.[/quote]

LMAO! Awesome post. I'm still laughing.

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off-field marketing and branding seems to be very important to him. fairly volatile ingredient.

lebron's "decision" was a disaster but he has done a great job of rebounding and marketing himself as a family man. A lot more crossover markets to tap into as a family guy basketball star vs a basketball star. [COLOR="Sienna"](puns intentional - im cheesy[/COLOR])

sherman's constant public chatter and now-famous post game interview seemed to work out well for him so far.

Personally, i find manziel's money gesture lame.

but CREAM

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[quote=SirLK26;1074117]Why the hate for Manziel? This thing with the money is a non-issue. Now, if he starts skipping Cleveland's workouts, gets caught smoking weed multiple times by the NFL, or kicks other players in the crotch, then I'd understand the dislike. But I don't think he's done anything hate-worthy yet.

Personally, I hope Manziel succeeds in the NFL. It'll take some maturing, but I think he'll grow up with time.

Manziel-Griffin lll is a terrible comparison. Griffin was more mature, more humble, and had a better work ethic coming out. Griffin and Manziel are very different people, with different games as well.[/quote]

People tend to hate douchebags and Johnny definitely is a big one.

[QUOTE=SirLK26;1074117]Why the hate for Manziel? This thing with the money is a non-issue. Now, if he starts skipping Cleveland's workouts, gets caught smoking weed multiple times by the NFL, or kicks other players in the crotch, then I'd understand the dislike. But I don't think he's done anything hate-worthy yet.



Personally, I hope Manziel succeeds in the NFL. It'll take some maturing, but I think he'll grow up with time.



Manziel-Griffin lll is a terrible comparison. Griffin was more mature, more humble, and had a better work ethic coming out. Griffin and Manziel are very different people, with different games as well.[/QUOTE]


Well said.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1074135]People tend to hate douchebags and Johnny definitely is a big one.[/QUOTE]


Ive never spoken to the guy. We do not know him. We know snapshots of his life, a social media photo album. I think he is a gamer, and I think his teammates love him. I think he is a natural born leader, and I will root for him unless he is playing the Redskins.

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[quote=punch it in;1074137]Ive never spoken to the guy. We do not know him. We know snapshots of his life, a social media photo album. I think he is a gamer, and I think his teammates love him. I think he is a natural born leader, and I will root for him unless he is playing the Redskins.[/quote]

Well, what he puts out there in the public of himself screams douche.

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Riding a plastic swan drinking champagne? Yeah... douche

[IMG]http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/Johnny_Manziel_Riding_Inflatable_Swan_Champagne_Bottle_Picture_Video.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1074140]Riding a plastic swan drinking champagne? Yeah... douche



[IMG]http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/Johnny_Manziel_Riding_Inflatable_Swan_Champagne_Bottle_Picture_Video.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


Oh come on, that is every kids dream! Lol. Maybe its because I am surrounded by douche bags in New Jersey, but my definition of a douche bag is much worse than a guy riding a plastic swan and drinking champagne. If that was a scene from hangover we would be laughing about it. He is more of a clown than a douchebag. Ray Rice decked his girlfriend - douchebag. Riding an inflatable swan drinking champagne - clown.
I just cannot kill the guy for his "antics". Until he joins the ranks of the rapists, gun carrying, vehicular manslaughter, etc who think they are above the law I just see a baller whose every "had one too many" moment is put out there because it creates a media firestorm.

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Clowns/douches are one in the same to me.

Ray Rice is much worse. He's just a piece of crap.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1074113]I imagine Manziel is one of those polarizing guys in a locker room. A lot will love him b/c he epitomizes the "look at me" part of playing sports.

Some players, who are not necessarily bad teammates but who love it when they get to draw attention to themselves, will look at Manziel and think "yeah, I would be doing that too if I could, more power to him." Mixed in with them will be the guys who are the Brett Farve love the game guys - players who really just want to play. It's not a job, it's a game. These groups of players are going to stick up for him and accuse his critics as just being haters.

Other players, the guys who work their craft, who see football as a job and think the best way to succeed is to be team first/individual second, are going to HATE him - even if he is successful on the field.

Admittedly, I don't know much about the guy, but everything I see about him points to a selfish, entitled personality for which I have a baseline dislike. Pretty sure I would be one of those who thought "He better be really damn good and then I will only tolerate him."

[B]Manziel and Griffin? Not even close[/B].[/quote]
^^^^^^^^^^

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1074142]Clowns/douches are one in the same to me.



Ray Rice is much worse. He's just a piece of crap.[/QUOTE]


Hah. Fair enough.

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