I'm amazed that some fans are already willing to give up just because they're tired of hearing about this issue.

Are you really willing to let this vocal minority win out with little to no new evidence than what was presented 15 years ago when this last happened?

If we roll over on this what's next?

Isn't 80 years of tradition worth fighting for?

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[quote=Mattyk;1074332]I'm amazed that some fans are already willing to give up just because they're tired of hearing about this issue.

Are you really willing to let this vocal minority win out with little to no new evidence than what was presented 15 years ago when this last happened?

If we roll over on this what's next?

Isn't 80 years of tradition worth fighting for?[/quote]

Listened to Czaben on the way in and he called the people who support but think its coming regardless as "matter-of-timers" and surrenders. Stated this is worth fighting for and think quietly the NFL will make all resources available for the fight and will back Snyder 110%. Because once the Skins go away, the Chiefs are next in line.

Baseball and NCAA are all watching this closely.

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[quote=Skinzman;1074252]According to the Indians fighting against the name, they claim that they are all offensive. They are going after every name that involves Indians. They stopped targeting the other names because it was hurting their cause with redskins, but they claim all sports names with Indian mascots are derogatory to Indians. According to Susan Blackhorse, they needed one name to fall, then the rest would go like dominoes.

[B]Also, if its about skin color, then the state of Oklahoma needs to change its name. As Oklahoma translates out to "Red People" or "People with red skin".[/quote][/B]

Personally, until that happens, get off our backs

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[quote=Chico23231;1074333]Listened to Czaben on the way in and he called the people who support but think its coming regardless as "matter-of-timers" and surrenders. Stated this is worth fighting for and think quietly the NFL will make all resources available for the fight and will back Snyder 110%. Because once the Skins go away, the Chiefs are next in line.

Baseball and NCAA are all watching this closely.[/quote]

I think once the NFL loses money, they will make the Skins change the name. This is the first decision is the first step that will see a decrease in profit for the NFL, making the NFL and Snyder try to challenge the decision, but if they fail I see no way the NFL allows the name to remain the same.

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[quote=Mattyk;1074332]I'm amazed that some fans are already willing to give up just because they're tired of hearing about this issue.

Are you really willing to let this vocal minority win out with little to no new evidence than what was presented 15 years ago when this last happened?

If we roll over on this what's next?

Isn't 80 years of tradition worth fighting for?[/quote]

Agree wholeheartedly. The controversy will never go away. But the only way the name will change is if the courts make Danny change it. Just hunker down, tune it out, and let due process play its course.

If anything, all this squawking just makes me dig in my heels further, even more insistent than ever on keeping our terrific name.

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[quote=donofriose;1074337]I think once the NFL loses money, they will make the Skins change the name. This is the first decision is the first step that will see a decrease in profit for the NFL, making the NFL and Snyder try to challenge the decision, but if they fail I see no way the NFL allows the name to remain the same.[/quote]

how would the nfl lose money?

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[quote=Chico23231;1074339]how would the nfl lose money?[/quote]

They wouldn't, unless the court upholds the trademark cancellation. Which it won't.

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[quote=Mattyk;1074332]I'm amazed that some fans are already willing to give up just because they're tired of hearing about this issue.

Are you really willing to let this vocal minority win out with little to no new evidence than what was presented 15 years ago when this last happened?

If we roll over on this what's next?

Isn't 80 years of tradition worth fighting for?[/quote]

I agree. But this is what our society has become. Our courts are tied up on issues like this, while there is plenty of offensive things being shown on television that is in the name of "art" and "free expression" - such as profanity laced shows, music, nudity, realistic graphic violence, etc... nobody bats an eye or closes an ear to those things, but Lord forbid we allow a team to be called the Washington Redskins. Sure, the supports of that stuff will say simply don't watch or listen, but I'd say the same thing for Redskins football.

Changing the name does nothing to counter the real issues Native Americans face on a daily basis. It doesn't clean up television, it doesn't stop bullying, violence against women, drug abuse, or alcoholism.

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[quote=Lilman52;1074336][/B]

Personally, until that happens, get off our backs[/quote]

What exactly are you babbling about?

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[quote=donofriose;1074337]I think once the NFL loses money, they will make the Skins change the name. This is the first decision is the first step that will see a decrease in profit for the NFL, making the NFL and Snyder try to challenge the decision, but if they fail I see no way the NFL allows the name to remain the same.[/quote]

This has been all done before. Neither the NFL nor the Redskins ever lost money. This process will drag out for several years to come, so IF the decision is ever upheld by the courts, you're not looking at any money being lost anytime soon. I seriously doubt the Redskins losing their appeal.

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[quote=WillH;1074277]<snip>And everyones got it all wrong, Red was a man, he had native american blood, so the name was in reference to them being family . . . RED'S[U]KINS[/U].

It's just been misinterpreted for years. :cheeky:[/quote]

LOL. Who knew the solution was so simple? Red's kins... it all makes sense!


[quote=Dirtbag59;1074300]Far anything is bad. For example the way the Far Left tackles obesity is a virtual mirror image of the tactics used by the Far Rights approach to sex education. IE rather then just educating, stressing moderation, and being overall pragmatic the shift focuses towards just f****g ban everything.

[B]No condoms, no sugary drinks, EVERYONE JUST SIT NATIVE AMERICAN STYLE IN THE CORNER AND STFU![/B][/quote]

LMAO.

But when it comes to the name of a sports team that you find offensive, be sure to jump out of your corner and yell as loudly as you can, because Congress will drop whatever they're doing to listen to your complaint, no matter how silly or misguided it is... provided, of course, you can spin it into something racist or otherwise offensive.

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If I were Dan, I would hire multiple journalist to write an article each week on different journalists/politicians that have done nothing to help Native Americans besides trying to change name.

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I just listened to Amanda Blackhorse and the Redskins trademark attorney on the junkies.

I am leaning towards the position that we need to change our name.

She said no native american calls each other the R word and that the largest Native American governing body calls the name disparaging and wants the name changed.

The redskins attorney radzoch (sp?) just sounded bad. He said while the term "redskin" may be disparaging in some contexts, you must view the word in the context that the football team is using it - honor.

when asked if he would call a native american a redskin to his face - he waffled and never answered.

If the largest governing body of Native Americans dont like it, if you wouldnt call a native american a redskin to his or her face and native americans dont call themselves redskin = disparaging.

Who are we as non-native americans to tell them what to think or feel or try and play spin doctor by saying we use the word with honor.

You want to honor native americans? honor their voice and change the name.

Pointing to historical context of the word from 1814 for justification of the use of the word in 2014 is grasping for straws.

In 2014:
The largest native American governing body wants it changed.
Native Americans dont call themselves the R word.
You wouldnt call a Native American a redskin to their face.

All that pride and honor and historical roots talk is just us telling native americans we know whats best for them more than they do for themselves. Thats a down right prejudicial and demeaning approach.

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[quote=over the mountain;1074347]I just listened to Amanda Blackhorse and the Redskins trademark attorney on the junkies.

I am leaning towards the position that we need to change our name.

She said no native american calls each other the R word and that the largest Native American governing body calls the name disparaging and wants the name changed.

The redskins attorney radzoch (sp?) just sounded bad. He said while the term "redskin" may be disparaging in some contexts, you must view the word in the context that the football team is using it - honor.

when asked if he would call a native american a redskin to his face - he waffled and never answered.

If the largest governing body of Native Americans dont like it, if you wouldnt call a native american a redskin to his or her face and native americans dont call themselves redskin = disparaging.

Who are we as non-native americans to tell them what to think or feel or try and play spin doctor by saying we use the word with honor.

You want to honor native americans? honor their voice and change the name.

Pointing to historical context of the word from 1814 for justification of the use of the word in 2014 is grasping for straws.

In 2014:
The largest native American governing body wants it changed.
Native Americans dont call themselves the R word.
You wouldnt call a Native American a redskin to their face.

All that pride and honor and historical roots talk is just us telling native americans we know whats best for them more than they do for themselves. Thats a down right prejudicial and demeaning approach.[/quote]

I also heard that on the radio and agree that the Skins atty made a very poor impression.

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[quote=over the mountain;1074347]I just listened to Amanda Blackhorse and the Redskins trademark attorney on the junkies.

I am leaning towards the position that we need to change our name.

She said no native american calls each other the R word and that the largest Native American governing body calls the name disparaging and wants the name changed.

The redskins attorney radzoch (sp?) just sounded bad. He said while the term "redskin" may be disparaging in some contexts, you must view the word in the context that the football team is using it - honor.

when asked if he would call a native american a redskin to his face - he waffled and never answered.

If the largest governing body of Native Americans dont like it, if you wouldnt call a native american a redskin to his or her face and native americans dont call themselves redskin = disparaging.

[B]Who are we as non-native americans to tell them what to think or feel or try and play spin doctor by saying we use the word with honor. [/B]

You want to honor native americans? honor their voice and change the name.

Pointing to historical context of the word from 1814 for justification of the use of the word in 2014 is grasping for straws.

[B]In 2014:
The largest native American governing body wants it changed.
Native Americans don't call themselves the R word.
You wouldn't call a Native American a redskin to their face. [/B]

All that pride and honor and historical roots talk is just us telling native americans we know whats best for them more than they do for themselves. Thats a down right prejudicial and demeaning approach.[/quote]

There is a certain 'segment' of the population who simply feel that their world vision is the only one that matters and that everyone who doesn't agree with it needs to just get over it. "It's just a word! Whatever happened was years ago! Why can't we just move on?" They feel that anyone who is offended 'by a word' is just a limp wristed pansy-ass who needs to pull up their big boy britches and grow the hell up.

These are the same tough guys who wouldn't dare walk up to a Native American or into a Native American setting and use or try to defend the use of the term Redskin.