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excuse me for my drunkness but i meant they would make more plays in pass coverage rather than the run game. come on i know what i am talking about back me up folks dont let jsarno talk jibberish about this effing poop!

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!;303905]Landry is known as a better coverage guy and he should create the mismatches Williams envisioned with Archuletta. [/quote]

Just like someone else pointed out, they have shown more of him stopping the run. From what I've read, he's better at run stopping. If he can stop the pass as well as everyone thinks, then I'll be happy. I just fear another 06.

[quote]Don't rule out Fletcher making our defense more stout against the run and commanding it the way Pierce did. I think you are going to see a big time improvement immediately.[/QUOTE]

I actually REALLY like Fletcher. He is familiar with Williams system, and still has some gas in the tank...but how much gas? He is pretty old.

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[quote=holcknowsbest;303904]landy is not a effing run stopping safety!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and nether is taylor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we dont need that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we need a run stopping front 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! these safeties will make more plays in coverage than they ever would in pass coverage man......are you kidding me come on man maybe you dont know what we need hence the redskins picked the guy i suggested not your pick you naysayer so give me props donkey and i will commend you in calling out the 6th round pick thing so just admit i am better at knowing talent!!!![/quote]We'll have to make that decision later on regarding Anderson Okoye vs Landry. Again you're comparing a four year productive starter (Landry) to a one year wonder (Anderson) and a 19-year old child (Okoye) who didn't play high school football. Rest assured Snyder will bolster the DL and LB corps before long.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;303906]Let's not compare Landry to Archuleta. Landry is the real deal. Not only does he rock ballcarriers silly, he's has the football smarts to go with it. And Sean Taylor doesn't get beat often. As a matter of fact, he seemingly had a better season alongside Ryan Clark and Vernon Fox (guys who he trusted to know their own assignment). The greatest thing is that now we have some stability and not a roundabout Stoutmire, Prioleau gig.[/QUOTE]

Not to sound too negative...but AA was an all pro before being teamed up with Taylor. AA was the real deal. There is a reason why commanded the highest salaried contract for a safety ever. Like I said. I think Landry is one heck of a talent...I think you guys are missing that in my comments...what I am thinking is he won't gel with Taylor.
Clark was nothing special, but his style of play worked perfectly with Taylor. The coaches weren't willing to work with AA to get him to where they needed him, I hope they don't make the same mistake with Landry.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;303911] Rest assured Snyder will bolster the DL and LB corps before long.[/QUOTE]

That is my utmost concern...so what do you think the Skins have up their sleeves? I am not confident in our DLine at all right now. In fact, I feel they rank right around the worst in all the league.

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[quote=jsarno;303907]I agree they do. Anderson would still be a starter for us, and I beleive Okoye would be too. I'm not saying Landry is a poor player...I just see AA all over again. Picking a run stopping safety when we needed a pass defending safety is not the wisest of things to do IMO. There is obviously nothing I can do about the fact that we picked Landry, except HOPE that we can turn him into what we need...[/quote]If we can start Golston, we probably would start either of them. Maybe people are enamored by Landry's tackling highlights but he has pass coverage stats too... 12INTs 22PBUs in four years in the SEC.

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[quote=jsarno;303913]That is my utmost concern...so what do you think the Skins have up their sleeves? I am not confident in our DLine at all right now. In fact, I feel they rank right around the worst in all the league.[/quote]
Nothing up the sleeves. Snyder has money in his pockets.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;303914]If we can start Golston, we probably would start either of them. Maybe people are enamored by Landry's tackling highlights but he has pass coverage stats too... 12INTs 22PBUs in four years in the SEC.[/QUOTE]

Like I said...I hope you're right. We need a good pass defender there. If he can fit that bill, then I'm fine.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;303915]Nothing up the sleeves. Snyder has money in his pockets.[/QUOTE]

Problem is, NFL will limit those pockets. We only have 4-5mil in cap space, and now we have to sign a #6 overall pick which will cut into that. We won't have a lot of room to get a good DE. Really, I'm fine with Carter, and fine with Griffin. Golston...not so sure, and Wynn and Daniels NEED to go. So if we can somehow find a solid DE to replace them, I think we'll be fine.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;303896]well first of all you dont think we need a safety donkey? come on man thats totally[B] rediculous[/B], you are the same fan who like the redskins but knows nothing about what is really going on in football buddy. and yes you dummy we dont have anthing but a 6th pick (not a 5th pal). but if you look at almost all these traded they include shit from next year....which we have all seven right now, we dont need that many hahah shit i would trade all our picks the following year every year to get better picks in the year of the draft becasue the only time that will only haert you is the final year of the nfl's life....so jsarno please dont question my expertice in this field ya donkey cause [B]you could never match witts with me the effing draft and personnel KING![/B]!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Do most "draft and personnel KINGs" know how to spell "Rediculous?"

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[quote=jsarno;303909]Just like someone else pointed out, they have shown more of him stopping the run. From what I've read, he's better at run stopping. If he can stop the pass as well as everyone thinks, then I'll be happy. I just fear another 06.



I actually REALLY like Fletcher. He is familiar with Williams system, and still has some gas in the tank...but how much gas? He is pretty old.[/quote]

I think he has a full tank. Tryin to think of the last time he missed a game? Ol yea...NEVER.

This defense will improve, just like the Dr. ordered, this year just with the moves we have made to this point. If we get healthy bodies back look out we will be right back where we were in 05 or BETTER.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;303919]Do most "draft and personnel KINGs" know how to spell "Rediculous?"[/quote]

SGG you know that's a dumb ?....... Spelling Bee

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[quote=GoSkins!;303905]Landry is known as a better coverage guy and he should create the mismatches Williams envisioned with Archuletta.

Don't rule out Fletcher making our defense more stout against the run and commanding it the way Pierce did. I think you are going to see a big time improvement immediately.[/quote]

Welcome my friend.......how bout that slick move? Got my 6K :)

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;303920]I think he has a full tank. Tryin to think of the last time he missed a game? Ol yea...NEVER. [/quote]

I have a friend that is a Bills fan, and he says Fletcher is not the same...he's losing steps. I have to admit, I don't think I saw a single Bills game last year, so I really don't know. Like I said, I like fletcher, I hope he still has some left in the tank...I hope it's "full" like you say.

[quote]This defense will improve, just like the Dr. ordered, this year just with the moves we have made to this point. If we get healthy bodies back look out we will be right back where we were in 05 or BETTER.[/QUOTE]

Of course it will improve. I think we have close to the best secondary in the league now...but if the QB is given all day to throw, it won't matter.

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[quote=jsarno;303918]Problem is, NFL will limit those pockets. We only have 4-5mil in cap space, and now we have to sign a #6 overall pick which will cut into that. We won't have a lot of room to get a good DE. Really, I'm fine with Carter, and fine with Griffin. Golston...not so sure, and Wynn and Daniels NEED to go. So if we can somehow find a solid DE to replace them, I think we'll be fine.[/quote]Post June 1st.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;303925]Post June 1st.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone have any idea or anticipation of some DE's that might be available after June 1st?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;303919]Do most "draft and personnel KINGs" know how to spell "Rediculous?"[/QUOTE]

I see it spelled like that so much that it is starting to scare me into believing that the large majority of people actually think that is the correct way of spelling ridiculous.

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i really wish we could somehow get ryan kalil. he is going to be the best center in the league in a few years i think

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;303928]I see it spelled like that so much that it is starting to scare me into believing that the large majority of people actually think that is the correct way of spelling ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

haha...that's true.

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[quote=jsarno;303912]Not to sound too negative...but AA was an all pro before being teamed up with Taylor. AA was the real deal. There is a reason why commanded the highest salaried contract for a safety ever. Like I said. I think Landry is one heck of a talent...I think you guys are missing that in my comments...what I am thinking is he won't gel with Taylor.
Clark was nothing special, but his style of play worked perfectly with Taylor. The coaches weren't willing to work with AA to get him to where they needed him, I hope they don't make the same mistake with Landry.[/quote]


pleaseee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on man are you comparing landry and aa! seriously you dont know more than me pal! your comments make less sense than me needing another tall cool budweiser.. he will gel with taylor because taylor should never be in the box man...never this guy played centerfield at miami and in his first year as a skin.....just go with the flow pal this pick will work, it was the best at number 6 since we kept it, and he will make taylor better! and as far as not willing, i think you could attribute that to aa himself, this guy never bought in and if you want to blame the coaches go ahead but aa ending up at punt protector was not a result of coaches dislike but talent.......in fact all that all pro before came here is crap....i watched a fantasy football show this year that picked thier tight end every week based on who st louis was playing!!!!!!!! and damn if he didnt do the same for the skins while that idiot started......so all pro maybe, respected in this league, never!!!!!!! this guy was never worth the money and trying to compare him and landry is pathetic, in fact that donkey wont start for the bears longer than 4 games if he starts at all, recognize talent man, seriously!!!!!!!!

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[quote=skinsguy;303928]I see it spelled like that so much that it is starting to scare me into believing that the large majority of people actually think that is the correct way of spelling ridiculous.[/quote]

SGG does the warpath spell check! You aren't gettin squat by the sheriff!

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jsarno, landry and arch are totally different styles. u see, landry actually excells in coverage while that was archies weakest aspect.

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[QUOTE=Big C;303940]jsarno, landry and arch are totally different styles. u see, landry actually excells in coverage while that was archies weakest aspect.[/QUOTE]

I agree it was Arch's weakest attribute.
Let's not forget, that while people think he (Landry) was good at coverage in college, not all talent translates to the NFL.
There is no doubt this kid has talent. Let's hope he's a good compliment to Taylor.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;303939]SGG does the warpath spell check! You aren't gettin squat by the sheriff![/QUOTE]


If we do, I hope it gets advertised, cause there are A LOT of people that have difficulty spelling here.

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Bottom line, we all are disgusted with having traded away picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

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[I]...Since being named Freshman All-American in 2003, the four-time All-Southeastern Conference selection has not only garnered quite a few postseason honors during his college career, but has also given opposing offensive coordinators nightmares. Landry did not allow a single touchdown reception during his career while producing 15 turnovers...[/I]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/landry_laron"]More on Landry[/URL]

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Anyone have an idea who will be available post June 1. DE or DT??

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Way to address D-line. God we suck. Our FO is the laughing stock of the NFL.

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i still cant believe they didnt trade down. but it is what it is.

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[quote=Tha Posse;303958]Anyone have an idea who will be available post June 1. DE or DT??[/quote]

We better get Kris Jenkins. Landry is a great player, but you HAVE TO address needs, and we didn't do that. We need DL something terrible. We'll see what happens.

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[quote=Tha Posse;303958]Anyone have an idea who will be available post June 1. DE or DT??[/quote]


One option may be Simeon Rice. He has been rumored to be on the trading block due to his huge salary and age. Not sure how that has changed after they drafted Adams

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[quote=GMScud;303972]We better get Kris Jenkins. Landry is a great player, but you HAVE TO address needs, and we didn't do that. We need DL something terrible. We'll see what happens.[/quote]

So, PP, Omar, and Vernon are long term non-upgradeable players at safety?

Hmmm. No. So, it actually was a need position. The only debate is whether or not we now have too much invested at safety, a highly valid question.

And by the way, in all likelihood LaRon Landry is going to become one of the most popular Redskins players, quickly. Let's just see how this plays out before we jump to conclusions. What's done is done, and I for one will be looking for people who cry about this pick, only to become huge Landry Lovers once this guy shows us all what he is capable of on the field. I will personally hand out huge plates of crow pie to all those who are guilty of this likely and predictable flip flop.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;303983]So, PP, Omar, and Vernon are long term non upgradeable players at saftey?

Hmmm. No. So, it actually was a need postion. The only debate is whether or not we now have too much invested at saftey, a highly valid question.

And by the way, LaRon Landry is going to become one of the most popular Redskins players, quickly. Let's just see how this plays out before we jump to conclusions. What's done is done, and I for one will be looking for people who cry about this pick, only to become huge Landry Lovers once this guy shows us all what he is capable of on the field. I will personally hand out huge plates of crow pie to all those who are guilty of this likely and predictable flip flop.[/quote]

Ummm, so you are totally misreading what I'm saying. I think LL is a phenomenal prospect at his position. I am thrilled to have him. But when I look at how many teams got better at multiple positions, and when I look at how the Skins had ZERO picks in rounds 2-4, it sickens me when I see how many DL prospects passed us by. While LL may be awesome, we needed DL worse than safety. We better do something after June 1...

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[quote=GMScud;303984]Ummm, so you are totally misreading what I'm saying. I think LL is a phenomenal prospect at his position. I am thrilled to have him. But when I look at how many teams got better at multiple positions, and when I look at how the Skins had ZERO picks in rounds 2-4, it sickens me when I see how many DL prospects passed us by. While LL may be awesome, we needed DL worse than safety. We better do something after June 1...[/quote]

I figured when you said, "we HAVE TO address needs, we didn't do that", that you where saying that safety was not a need position, when IMO it was. Correct me if I'm wrong.

DL continues to be a glaring need for this football team. We very well may not be competitive again until that is addressed. In the meantime, we no longer have any need whatsoever at the safety position, that much is now abundantly clear.

It is sometimes impossible to address multiple needs on an NFL football team when you have only one pick on day one of the draft. The frustrating part is that it is of our own doing. Hopefully, the lesson has been learned. Judging by recent indications, it has been. Notice that we have not traded away any more of next years draft picks for "established" players or for more draft picks this year.

I like the drafting of Landry, a lot. If I'm the GM of the Skins I'm looking to plug the holes as best I can on the defensive line this year, and next year I will be hard pressed to pass up on solid DL prospects in the first and second rounds. By that time, we will also have gathered a lot more information on Jason Campbell, who more than any one person will dictate the fortunes of the franchise.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;303972]We better get Kris Jenkins. Landry is a great player, but you HAVE TO address needs, and we didn't do that. We need DL something terrible. We'll see what happens.[/QUOTE]

i agree...our line sucks.

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[QUOTE=TenandSix:Unacceptable;303987]I figured when you said, "we HAVE TO address needs, we didn't do that", that you where saying that safety was not a need position, when IMO it was. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]

I think what he's saying is, safety was a NEED position, but certainly an upgradable one. We NEED DLINE! We could have used a back up QB too since Brunell is inconsistant and old, and Collins is a nobody, so would Quinn have been a "need" as well?? I say no. A NEED is something we needed immediately and if not filled would still leave us hurting. (ie: DLINE)

[quote]DL continues to be a glaring need for this football team. We very well may not be competitive again until that is addressed. In the meantime, we no longer have any need whatsoever at the safety position, that much is now abundantly clear. [/quote]

I'm glad to hear you say that, cause it seems everyone is drinking this landry cool-aid...and let's face it, it's tasty cool-aid, but we needed to address another position. AT least we know the secondary is not going to be an issue at all this season.

[quote]It is sometimes impossible to address multiple needs on an NFL football team when you have only one pick on day one of the draft. The frustrating part is that it is of our own doing. Hopefully, the lesson has been learned. Judging by recent indications, it has been. Notice that we have not traded away any more of next years draft picks for "established" players or for more draft picks this year.[/quote]

For now anyway...knowing our dline is subpar, we could very well trade a pick away for a DE or something.

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[QUOTE=TenandSix:Unacceptable;303983]So, PP, Omar, and Vernon are long term non-upgradeable players at safety?

Hmmm. No. So, it actually was a need position. The only debate is whether or not we now have too much invested at safety, a highly valid question.

And by the way, in all likelihood LaRon Landry is going to become one of the most popular Redskins players, quickly. Let's just see how this plays out before we jump to conclusions. What's done is done, and I for one will be looking for people who cry about this pick, only to become huge Landry Lovers once this guy shows us all what he is capable of on the field. I will personally hand out huge plates of crow pie to all those who are guilty of this likely and predictable flip flop.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is actually upset that Landry is going to be next to Taylor. I don't think anyone wants the guy to be a bust. I think everyone wants Landry to be a Pro Bowler and will root for him. BUT, I think there are a lot of people who question the emphasis on the secondary [I]at the expense of the D-line[/I]. I think that's a reasonable view.

Can I keep a plate of crow pie for those who think our D-line didn't need an upgrade via the 6th pick?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;304001]I don't think anyone is actually upset that Landry is going to be next to Taylor. I don't think anyone wants the guy to be a bust. I think everyone wants Landry to be a Pro Bowler and will root for him. BUT, I think there are a lot of people who question the emphasis on the secondary [I]at the expense of the D-line[/I]. I think that's a reasonable view. [/quote]

EXACTLY. Good job SGG, right on the money!

[quote]Can I keep a plate of crow pie for those who think our D-line didn't need an upgrade via the 6th pick?[/QUOTE]

HAHA, hell yeah.

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[quote=GMScud;303970]Way to address D-line. God we suck. Our FO is the laughing stock of the NFL.[/quote]

After today I'd say that title belongs to Miami. Ginn at #9 was awful.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;304004]After today I'd say that title belongs to Miami. Ginn at #9 was awful.[/QUOTE]

I was simply shocked by Miami's decision. On that note, did anyone see Cam Cameron's press conference? The fans were booing. Priceless stuff.