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[QUOTE=irish;370806]I dont think A-holes win all the time. They win & lose like everyone else. Also, are you saying BB is evil? Thats a stretch if I ever heard one. A-hole and evil are not synonyms.[/QUOTE]

I was responding to 12th's post...but I'll clarify anyway.

I didn't mean assholes win all the time as in they win 100% of the time, but as in it's very common to see them win, not an unusual event.

I put "evil" and "good" in quotes to hopefully make the hyperbole obvious. I'm not equating Belichick with Adolf Hitler, just illustrating the difference between the "good guys" in the NFL and the "bad guys."

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[quote=SmootSmack;370808]Fair enough. Not to get too deep here, but as a real friend do you think you have any obligation to be honest with your friends is wrong? That they're potentially destroying their families?[/quote]

I look at it this way. They are grown men and they are old enough to know what is right from wrong. It is not my obligation to tell them that they are wrong. They already know they are wrong.

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[QUOTE=irish;370788]I dont think he said its ok for them to cheat. I think he just feels its none of his business what grown men do in their private life.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about you guys, but I tend to look at what my friends do in their private lives. I could care less what kind of stuff they do at work, but I befriend people because of who they are in their private lives. On that note, I don't befriend guys who are constantly cheating on their wives. Guys that cheat on their wives are probably not the most loyal individuals and are not the kind of guys I would rely on to have my back in a pinch.

Oh, and so as to not threadjack.....Belichick is an a-hole.

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I think the Patriots are the new Oakland Raiders and we're just coming to terms with this.

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i didnt have time to read through all this... but, in my opinion, if you are personally offended by the patriots "running up the score", you're... well what's the nicest way to say acting like a girl (nothing against girls).

id rather lose by 100 than be given a 'favor'. we should have just blitzed them and busted his ass up. the point is that it's up to us to do something about it.

ask most of the pros and i'll wager they say the same. i think we're all just disappointed by the fact thats its a tough loss. unfortunately the game shows how inferior we are, and most teams are, to the pats

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[quote=mheisig;370798]If you don't judge a person's character by their actions, particular whether they cheat or not, than what the hell DO you judge their character by? Or do you just arbitrarily determine that someone is a "good person" and stick with that notion regardless of the facts of their actions?[/quote]

I personally don't judge my friends character cause they fool around every once in a while. I have known these guys for over half of my life. Some for almost my whole life. These are real loyal guys as far as our friendship is concerned. I already know their character.

If they didn't pay child support, beat their wives/children, or were bad fathers then we have a different story. I would most certainly not be friends with anyone like this.

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[quote=VTSkins897;370819]i didnt have time to read through all this... but, in my opinion, if you are personally offended by the patriots "running up the score", you're... well what's the nicest way to say acting like a girl (nothing against girls).

id rather lose by 100 than be given a 'favor'. we should have just blitzed them and busted his ass up. the point is that it's up to us to do something about it.

ask most of the pros and i'll wager they say the same. i think we're all just disappointed by the fact thats its a tough loss. unfortunately the game shows how inferior we are, and most teams are, to the pats[/quote]

LOL!!! We did nothing about it and that is what bothers me most. To allow Matt Cassell to run for a score is just insane.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370820]I personally don't judge my friends character cause they fool around every once in a while. I have known these guys for over half of my life. Some for almost my whole life. These are real loyal guys as far as our friendship is concerned. I already know their character.

If they didn't pay child support, beat their wives/children, or were bad fathers then we have a different story. I would most certainly not be friends with anyone like this.[/QUOTE]

I'm so glad you have high standards.

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[quote=12thMan;370817]I think the Patriots are the new Oakland Raiders and we're just coming to terms with this.[/quote]

I didn't see any personal fouls or unsportsmenlike conduct penalty's on NE yesterday. I didn't see any of their DB's hitting our sorry ass Wr's late. I didn't see any of their D-linemen hitting JC late. I saw no dirty play from NE what so ever. I just saw a straight up beat down and we couldn't do anything about it.

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[quote=mheisig;370823]I'm so glad you have high standards.[/quote]

I could care less what you think.

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[QUOTE=mheisig;370823]I'm so glad you have high standards.[/QUOTE]

More holier-than-thou BS.

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[quote=skinsfan69;370825]I didn't see any personal fouls or unsportsmenlike conduct penalty's on NE yesterday. I didn't see any of their DB's hitting our sorry ass Wr's late. I didn't see any of their D-linemen hitting JC late. I saw no dirty play from NE what so ever. I just saw a straight up beat down and we couldn't do anything about it.[/quote]


No, I meant in the context of the team everybody loves to hate. How they play by their own rules, so to speak. Not implying that they are dirty by any means, just how they've drawn the line in the sand with the Commish.

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[IMG]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-8/1275969/NEP.jpg[/IMG]

I think some people here need to consider changing their avatar if they've got such a crush on Bill B and the Boys...

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Here's Michael Wilbon of the Washington Post on the Pats:

"Belichick is on a maniacal mission to crush everybody's skull because the NFL had nerve to call him on cheating. That's what this is. He's foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog trying to crush the life out of every team the Patriots face. You know what...that's fair. But I'd like to see an opposing team play the Patriots with the same violent intent the Patriots play with. I think you'll see the school yard bully met with force this Sunday in Indy..."

and

"if I was on the opposing team, I'd hit Tom Brady with everything I had as late as I could and take the penalty and join the fight that would surely follow. Football is a violent game and there's got to be somebody out there sharpening his fans for the Patriots Golden Boy in the 4th quarter one of these weeks."

I agree 100% Belichick has every right to run up the score . . . and opposing teams have every right to make him and his players pay for it.

The Pats have become like the seventies Raiders. They should get the same back. How do you think John Madden or Lyle Alzado would have reacted if someone had tried to run up the score on [I]them[/I]!?!?

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Maybe it's just me, but I don't know how much of a grown man someone is who cheats like it's no big deal. I don't know you're friends skinsfan69 and I don't doubt that they mean a lot to you. And this isn't an affront on you. But if you're going to be a "man" and take on the responsibility of a wive and kids. Then act like a real man, and have some respect for the people you love. If you can't do that, be man enough to do like skinsfan69 is doing and don't get married.

Reminds me of the brilliant Chris Rock skit. "I take care of my kids...I've never been to jail" "What do you want, a cookie? You low-expectation having mofo"

(man I've really gone off on a tangent on this thread)

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Here's more from Wilbon. Way to go, Michael!!!

Arlington, Va.: Let me get this straight - you're suggesting blatantly trying to injure a player on the opposing team for no good reason other than you can't compete head-to-head. What kind of message are you trying to send?

Michael Wilbon: I'm saying football is a violent game and I believe in an eye for an eye. You think Sam Huff wouldn't have taken out Brady yesterday? And when I say "take out" I don't mean go for his knees; I mean a clean shot with every once of force one can summon...right in the strike zone. You think Butkus and LT and Bednarik would have stood for that stuff? No way. No chance.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;370832][IMG]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-8/1275969/NEP.jpg[/IMG]

I think some people here need to consider changing their avatar if they've got such a crush on Bill B and the Boys...[/quote]

Nobody has a crush on that fat sack of poop. I just respect great football and great coaching and they have both.

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I'm not advocating playing dirty or giving out cheap shots... but if I were a coach and the other team was running it up, I would look the other way and tell my guys to do what they gotta do. And if I was a player in that situation I would have no problem sticking Brady right in the chest and pile driving him to the turf, late or not.

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[quote=carbofisk;370669]Be honest with yourself -- if Belicheck were in Washington with the personnel he has in New England, doing in Washington what he's doing in New England, you'd be dancing in the streets. ... But I don't think anything will happen there until your owner, who is reliving his childhood, finally says goodbye to Coach Gibbs, just as Jones said goodbye to Landry. ... The fan base, understandably, has great affection for Gibbs, but in the end it's just nostalgia. ... What happened in Foxborough yesterday, in terms of how the Patriots played, is what happens in the modern NFL. ... Wake up and deal with.[/quote]


To think that happens every week in the NFL is ridiculous. I dont see teams running up the score like that. If they are, its because the other team can not stop the running game, or the QB is throwing pick 6's every time. The NFL coaching fraternaty has more class that was Belichek showed yesterday. Had Sean Taylor or someone come in and gave Brady a concussion i think you would feel totally different about him being in the game with under 10 minutes to go up 45-0. I dont care how any of you NE fans put it, or how to try and twist it, it was a classless move by a classless coach. Too bad our staff has class and didn't order our players to take shots at brady,moss or any other of your starters. This will come back and haunt them eventually. They will run up to a team with players or coaches that will take shots at brady and company, then lets see how you feel about your coach subjecting your players to needless hits or late hits.

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And my question is, why didn't any of the Skins take it on themselves to do that yesterday? Sam Huff would have. Dexter Manley and Wilbur Marshall would have.

What's different with this team? - tho I bet Sean Taylor would have rocked Brady or Moss if given the nod.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370840]I'm not advocating playing dirty or giving out cheap shots... but if I were a coach and the other team was running it up, I would look the other way and tell my guys to do what they gotta do. And if I was a player in that situation I would have no problem sticking Brady right in the chest and pile driving him to the turf, late or not.[/quote]

Or you could do your job, have some pride and stop them like you are paid to do.

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[quote=skinsfan69;370847]Or you could do your job, have some pride and stop them like you are paid to do.[/quote]

That would be doing your job. When someone is showing you up, it's your job to let them know that it's not ok.

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I have no problem with anything the Pats did, except the winning part.

Really, most people on here (myself included) have been calling for Gibbs to step on the necks of our opponents, put them away in the second half, etc. If we have the chance to, I would hope Gibbs does just that.

We got beat down bad by a much better team on Sunday...that should show you just how far we have to go. Yeah, we're a decent team in the grand scheme of things in the NFL (NFC at least), but we're nowhere near where we need to be to compete for the crown.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370827]I could care less what you think.[/QUOTE]

Believe me, the feeling is mutual. And it extends well beyond this thread.

In other news, the Redskins lost yesterday. Back to football.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370849]That would be doing your job. When someone is showing you up, it's your job to let them know that it's not ok.[/quote]

Honestly Matty,
Heartbreaking though to watch, they did us a favor. They showed us how it really is to play a top flight team. Where we are in the pecking order. How many weakness's we have a what they are.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut68;370846]And my question is, why didn't any of the Skins take it on themselves to do that yesterday? Sam Huff would have. Dexter Manley and Wilbur Marshall would have.

What's different with this team? - tho I bet Sean Taylor would have rocked Brady or Moss if given the nod.[/QUOTE]

Huff would have laid Brady out with a clean hit before the whistle. This team just seems to have no fire. Remember when the Cowboys dragged Jeff George around the stadium and no Redskin came to his rescue? I doubt that would have happened in the old days (no matter if they liked the guy or not, he was a teammate) but for some reason DS owned Skins just dont have that kind of competitive fire.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370849]That would be doing your job. When someone is showing you up, it's your job to let them know that it's not ok.[/quote]
So your saying that hitting the QB late is OK.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370849]That would be doing your job. When someone is showing you up, it's your job to let them know that it's not ok.[/quote]

I understand what your saying. But in the end, it's our job to stop them from scoring and if you asked most of the players that got beat down yesterday they would probably agree with me. Even our coaches are saying we needed to stop them.

Planting Brady in the ground is weak and that would make us look even worse than we already looked. That would make us look like sore losers.

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[quote=firstdown;370764]So in baseball a 5 point lead is enough to play safe? I've seen allot of teams score more than 5 points in an inning and would not want my team to sit on a five point lead.[/quote]


does everything have to be a disagreement? you get my point. If we were up 5 runs in the 8th or 9th, we certainly weren't playing the same way we did in the early innings. if you have ever played meaningful baseball then you know being up 5 runs in the 8th or 9th, or maybe 8 runs if you want more, you dont steal bases, show up pitchers, its one of those unwritten rules. Its amazing how different peoples perception of playing the right way has changed over the years. I guess thats one of those generation things from a previous thread.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370849]That would be doing your job. When someone is showing you up, it's your job to let them know that it's not ok.[/quote]


There's a difference between doing your job and playing dirty. What you are advocating (after you said you don't advocate it) is playing dirty. Might as well just take your blanky, put your head down, and cry all the way home because what you are talking about doing is just as childish.

As it's been said throughout this thread. If you don't like them running up the score, stop them. If you can't stop them, then you need to get better. That's it. No cheapshots on the QB because your frustrated, while the coach looks the other way...that's petty childish shit.

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[quote=mheisig;370853]Believe me, the feeling is mutual. And it extends well beyond this thread.

In other news, the Redskins lost yesterday. Back to football.[/quote]

BTW.....I have never smoked any crack in my life and I'm not a loser. No need to personally attack someone you don't even know. Take a chill pill bro.

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[quote=12thMan;370784]wait a minute, wait a minute...like I told someone a few minutes ago, we had 60 minutes to send these guys after brady and couldn't get it done. no reason to think that because we're pissed at them for running up the score, we would all of a sudden get a good shot on brady.

i guess we have different definitions of "class" though.[/quote]


I am not sure if it was you I answered on this, but I agree. I would have started blitzing late 2nd, or start of the 2nd half. We couldn't stop them sitting back, so why not blitz. My point was we didn't blitz all day, and this was just added fuel to hit brady and show Belichek we were not going to stand for them running the score up. I have always been tought to win with class, and that wasn't it yesterday. However, there are unwritten rules that are not or should not broken. I was pitcher through college and there are a ton of unwritten rules there, as I am sure there are in football. Had someone shown us up or me up, there was retrobution. Now, is that classless?? No, i think its payback, which is acceptable to me. If they wanted to leave Brady in the game and run the score up, show no respect for Gibbs, then make them pay for it. if we had gone after brady, or drilled Moss a couple of time or who ever, I dont think we would be looked at as classless, we would be looked at like a team that stood up for ourselves and won't take that kind of crap. Now we sort of look like a bunch whiners about getting our asses whipped. Personally, I would have gone the "hit him every play, F*** the 15 yard penalties" route.

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Good lord people, some of you are hung up on what is legal and allowed by rule when the rest of us are saying there are the rules and there is the spirit of the game. What is this, Clinton's impeachment hearing?

Belichick is the kind of guy who pushes the boundaries of everything and dances on that line of what's "allowed" by rule, then feigns ignorance because it's not his job to care about the spirit of the game.

If that's how he wants to play it, vaya con dios. Somebody will return the favor eventually. It's philosophically no different than the whole "call timeout when a kicker is already in his kicking motion" crap. It might be "legal" but it's bush league and reflects a "win at all costs" mentality that poisons sport in general.

And if you guys think that isn't a problem you've obviously never been to a little league game full of rabid, screaming, overbearing parents, or read all the tragic stories about high school football players roiding out in an effort to stay ahead of the competition.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winning_isn't_everything%3B_it's_the_only_thing]Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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I work with a Patriots fan and we just had a heated, VERY heated discussion about this. Its funny how most of us and sports columnist, experts feel this was classless act by what transpired on the field yesterday, he was flipping out defending his coach and team. I for one am a diehard skins fan and I guess I was brought up during Gibbs 1 and am i guessed spoiled by having a coach with class. Winning with class, losing with class is what I have always known. its amazes me to see how feverishly he was defending his teams actions and didn't think it was classless if not unwaranted behavior by his coach. I eventually had to end the conversation because I was getting a little over heated. It was not the fact we got our asses whipped, it is the fashion at which the patriots were instructed to play by their coach. He just could not see this and kept screaming this is what they are paid to do. I guess I was hoping to have a conversation with a knowledgable fan that understands the meaning of winning with class, but I guess I was wrong.

I just became on of the biggest colt supporters for next week. and who ever else plays their sorry asses the rest of the year. I hope he tries this shit with someone that has no patience or tollerance for that crap.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370537]First, it's pretty typical that you are gloating over this loss. I am not sure whether you are a Redskins fan who is hurt so much by each loss, or you are a Cowboys fan who loves to watch the Redskins lose so you can post things on this site.

Second, those of us who don't like what Belichick did (i.e., running up the score) don't absolve Gibbs, the other coaches, or the players from blame. You are confusing the issue. We think that Belichick has no class, we don't think it is Belichick's responsibility to win for us. You know that, so don't try to get cute with your arguments.

I still find your fascination with and defense of Spurrier laughable in light of your attacks on Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

Your whole post is laughable, when was I a big SS supporter, I didn't want us to hire the guy in the first place and now I am his biggest fan? I have a problem with college coaches who win because they can recruit, SS is a good college coach and with the best talent can win but he never impressed me as a genious!

Talk about typical? Here you are looking for some way to defend, and divert responsibility away from your beloved Gibbs! If you think Belichik has no class then point out his classless acts personally because class starts with who you are, this post said he has no class because he ran up the score, that's to bad, because a coach runs up the score in a game that everyone considers a business inc. the players where there are millions of dollars involved that's not classless, as a person he may be but I really don't know the man well enough to make that assumption, maybe you do?


I have a question for you, how appalled where you 2 seasons ago when we had the cowboys dead and buried in the 4th quarter and they were trying to move the ball for a consolation TD and Williams kept sending multiple blitzes at Bledsoe? I remember Bledsoe taking a beating of beatings that last drive did you have a problem with that? Because if I remember correctly most here thought it was great? I didn't have a problem with it at the time but then again I'm not a hypocrite. So is G. Williams a classless individual as well? I would love your expert opinion!

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[quote=offiss;370949]Your whole post is laughable, when was I a big SS supporter, I didn't want us to hire the guy in the first place and now I am his biggest fan? I have a problem with college coaches who win because they can recruit, SS is a good college coach and with the best talent can win but he never impressed me as a genious!

Talk about typical? Here you are looking for some way to defend, and divert responsibility away from your beloved Gibbs! If you think Belichik has no class then point out his classless acts personally because class starts with who you are, this post said he has no class because he ran up the score, that's to bad, because a coach runs up the score in a game that everyone considers a business inc. the players where there are millions of dollars involved that's not classless, as a person he may be but I really don't know the man well enough to make that assumption, maybe you do?


[B]I have a question for you, how appalled where you 2 seasons ago when we had the cowboys dead and buried in the 4th quarter and they were trying to move the ball for a consolation TD and Williams kept sending multiple blitzes at Bledsoe? I remember Bledsoe taking a beating of beatings that last drive did you have a problem with that? Because if I remember correctly most here thought it was great? I didn't have a problem with it at the time but then again I'm not a hypocrite. So is G. Williams a classless individual as well? I would love your expert opinion![/B] [/quote]

C'mon dude we didn't run up the score in that one. It was 35-7 but it could have been much, much worse. We weren't blitzing much either, Daniels was just beating his man one on one. There's just no comparing that game to this one.

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[QUOTE=Redskin;370605]And thats why no one likes you or your garbage mentality[/QUOTE]

Wow, I guess Irish has his nerve for actually having his own opinion, a little out of line with that don't you think?

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[quote=offiss;370949]Your whole post is laughable, when was I a big SS supporter, I didn't want us to hire the guy in the first place and now I am his biggest fan? I have a problem with college coaches who win because they can recruit, SS is a good college coach and with the best talent can win but he never impressed me as a genious!

Talk about typical? Here you are looking for some way to defend, and divert responsibility away from your beloved Gibbs! If you think Belichik has no class then point out his classless acts personally because class starts with who you are, this post said he has no class because he ran up the score, that's to bad, because a coach runs up the score in a game that everyone considers a business inc. the players where there are millions of dollars involved that's not classless, as a person he may be but I really don't know the man well enough to make that assumption, maybe you do?


I have a question for you, how appalled where you 2 seasons ago when we had the cowboys dead and buried in the 4th quarter and they were trying to move the ball for a consolation TD and Williams kept sending multiple blitzes at Bledsoe? I remember Bledsoe taking a beating of beatings that last drive did you have a problem with that? Because if I remember correctly most here thought it was great? I didn't have a problem with it at the time but then again I'm not a hypocrite. So is G. Williams a classless individual as well? I would love your expert opinion![/quote]


correct me if I am wrong, or show me some 4th quarter film, but most if not all those sacks late came from the front 3 or 4. None were blitzes in the 4th quarter. Besides the fact we ran the ball the entire 4th quarter. that is a coach winning with class.
speaking of him as a person, have no clue, but from what we do know he seems to be a jackass. Stealing signs, cheating on his wife, refusing to shake Mangini's hand after getting his ass whipped by the Jets, I am sure there are other examples i have forgotten or not privy to.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370956]C'mon dude we didn't run up the score in that one. It was 35-7 but it could have been much, much worse. We weren't blitzing much either, Daniels was just beating his man one on one. There's just no comparing that game to this one.[/quote]If I remember correctly we were definately blitzing in that one.

One question for offiss though: do you really need to show class when playing your bitter rival? I don't think you do.

The Pats haven't shown class to anyone, and it all goes back to the media trying to make a mockery of the Patriot way earlier this year. Damn, if they did that to me, I'd destroy the entire league too and then tell the media to go shove it.

It's important to remember that this isn't Bill Belichick vs. the Redskins. This is Bill Belichick to the NFL.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370615]My point was why do Redskins fans care what BB does in his personal life? Why do the fans care if Brady fathered a child out of wedlock, or is on People magazine? It's like fans are trying to place blame anywhere except at our own team.

Why can't we discuss why nobody bothered to cover Vrabel on the same play he has ran since 04? Or why we just sat back and let Brady have all day to pass? Or why we can't get a 1st down?

Matt Cassell is NE's back-up QB. He never ever gets to play cause Brady has started every game since 01. So when he gets a chance to play what in the world is he suppose to do? Go in and hand it off? I can bet NE's coaching staff is thinking get this guy some game experience in case anything happens to Brady. They are always thinking ahead, unlike our coaching staff.[/QUOTE]


Absolutly!