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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;420113]I think, (and I know a lot of people will disagree with this, and thats fine), that if we were OK with Zorn as the O.C., then we by neccessity have to be ok with this promotion. His role isn't going to be all that much different, and we were already talking about how the coordinators were going to overshadow the head coach. So now, one of them was made head coach. That's not really any big deal when you think about it.

If he wasn't ready for this job, then I don't think you can make the argument that he was ready for the O.C. position.[/QUOTE]

I think he will benefit from having Blache leading the other side. He can be very hands off with the defense

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Eagerly anticipating the Jim Zorn avatar now

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Where did everybody go?

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;420115]Basically at this point, I was willing to give anyone a shot. I wanted Williams, it didn't work out, so I stand behind Zorn and I'm going to hope for the best. I really think our offense is going to be in great hands, which is going to be awsome to see....I'm slightly worried about our defense at this point. We have some great players on that side of the ball, but I just hope we can maintain some sort of power without Williams.[/QUOTE]

I may be off in this assessment, but I think the defense will be as good if not better with Blache.. Many of the players credited him with simplifying the defense this year from Williams stubborn insistence to his schemes.. Landry will be a year more experienced, hopefully Rogers and McIntosh return relatively healthy (and Rogers learns how to catch), Montgomery and Golston can take the next steps.. I'm not at all worried about the defense, let's hope Zorn can take the offense to higher levels..

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Jim Zorn is a great coach selection. An NFL QB of his stature is always a field leader and the QB coach is the most important positional coach. He has more leadership experience in fact than on paper. The HC transition (after Gibb's decision) was mainly driven by the FO desire to install the WCO. Zorn has much more experience with the WCO than Fassel who had little. Putting the whole bag into his hands then makes sense since he won't have a HC muddying the process and the D is good already w/ strong leadership. Zorn has the ability to make the Skins nation proud again. Hail to the Redskins; welcome Coach Zorn!

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Yes. I'm in shock and in amaze, but yes somehow this is ok. Even more than Zorn as OC. I saw him play in all his seasons with the Seahawks and I even had his jersey as a kid. Zorn seems like a thorough, tough and good person. He'll bring people in that are 'Gibbs' kinda players and personel. I can't believe Snyder and Cerrato didn't pick Fassel, but I couldn't be happier that they didn't!!! GO REDSKINS! Let's get this baseball crap over with so we can get back on the field!!!

PS- Grade of B+ on the hire. I think we'll see instant production if we can stay healthy.

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if he has an awful year next season,snyder will pay him off and bring cowher in i bet.

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if someone told me 6 weeks ago that JIM ZORN would be our head coach i would first ask who the fuck jim zorn was and then tell them to lay off the drugs.

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like it better than fassel or mooch. cowher or marty or gw would have been better, but this is the next best thing.

hopefully he can handle the jump.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;420113]I think, (and I know a lot of people will disagree with this, and thats fine), that if we were OK with Zorn as the O.C., then we by neccessity have to be ok with this promotion. His role isn't going to be all that much different, and we were already talking about how the coordinators were going to overshadow the head coach. So now, one of them was made head coach. That's not really any big deal when you think about it.

If he wasn't ready for this job, then I don't think you can make the argument that he was ready for the O.C. position.[/QUOTE]

I have to respectably disagree with you here. His roll will be significantly different as a HC rather than the OC.

"Head coaches have to worry about so many things that go beyond what Zorn has proven to be good at: teaching and coaching. Head coaches are CEOs as much as anything."

I couldn't say it any better.

Another telling quote: "As one of Zorn's former co-workers put it to me this afternoon: 'The best thing that happened to Jason was having Zorn named offensive coordinator and working with quarterbacks. The worst thing was Zorn being named head coach, because it will be harder for him to be as involved coaching the position.'"

In addition, being ready to be an OC in no way makes you ready to be a HC. They are completely different jobs with very different priorities. An OC can focus on X's and O's and only be concerned with what the Offense is doing. A HC has to be a tactician, coordinating both the offensive and defensive philosophies to work for the benefit as a whole. In addition, the OC and DC are both under the protective umbrella of the HC who can deflect criticism when things go awry as young coordinators learn the craft. No such protection for the HC.

I am hoping the guy is the next great story in the NFL but you can't say there is no significant difference between the OC and the HC, nor can you say that because he was named an OC 2 weeks ago, he was ready to be an HC.

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I don't know enough about Zorn to voice a yay or nay about his HC promotion. I do have my reservations about how the team will respond though. This feels eerily similar to the '06 offseason, and we're right back in a full fledged rebuild.

After a strong playoff push in '05, I know a lot of our players felt we were only a few moves away from being Super Bowl contenders. Then we bring in Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuletta, Kenny Wright, Christian Fauria, and ARE (The only guy whose really worked out) and sent packing are: Ryan Clark, Walt Harris, and Robert Royal. (Guys who I felt played pretty well and the players seemed to value) Bam! We're rebuilding, a huge overhaul.

After another strong late season playoff push in '07, it seems we're closer than we thought again. There hasn't been a big player personeel change yet but a massive change at the top. Yes, that's to be expected, losing a HC the calibre of Joe Gibbs, but where the weariness of rebuild sinks in is that we've got a newbie HC whose going to go through growing pains and a team that's hungry to go to the next level. All of a sudden, we're knee deep in a rebuild again.

I wasn't big on Fassel or Mooch, but they have something valuable that this team needs: playoff experience. It may or may not have been enough playoff experience to get us over the hump, but definitely enough that a coach wouldn't have to come in and prove themselves to the team and enough to keep the heaviness of rebuilding out of the locker room.

Hopefully, I'm wrong, but this '08 season already has shades of '06 looming over it.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;419908]I think there are plenty of teams and owners that have more patience than the Redskins and their fans[/QUOTE]

You know, you've spent several posts saying how Redskins fans in particular have less patience than many other fans. I couldn't disagree more.

If there are people who still call themselves fans of this franchise since Lil' Danny has taken over and put up with all of [I]his[/I] growing pains, then they are the most patient people on earth.

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It's really kind of ridiculous that people are already willing to crucify Zorn, or anoint him the next Vince Lombardi.

Is it too crazy to ask that we just let this play out and evaluate the decision at the end of his first season? Why is everyone so quick to make a prediction of doom and gloom or nirvana?

Furthermore, that second video posted by SmootSmack is the funniest thing I've seen in a while.

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It also looks like the raiders are getting a new head coach as well :[URL="http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/al_davis_and_darth_davis_2.jpg"]click[/URL]

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I wonder what players Zorn will try to bring over from the hawks to help us upgrade? My choice is O-line. I really liked the way the giants built their team with big and physical players.

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[quote=redskinsfanatic;420132]if he has an awful year next season,snyder will pay him off and bring cowher in i bet.[/quote]


LOL............you need to give it up.:sleep:

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Well, the wait is finally over. Let's get to training camp and get going. The only way to find out if this is a good hire is to start playing. Looking forward to the new season.

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I think the skins needed a bigger name to handle this job. Dealing with the Washington media and Dan Snyder will be very hard for a rookie coach. I think he will just be a puppet for Snyder, a good YES MAN.

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Interesting read. How do you get the shaft when you where never offered the job or hired? It sounds like fassel or fassel's agent wrote the article..? But thanks for the strong Zorn recommendation. :thumb:

[URL="http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10631641"]Washington Redskins, National Football League - CBSSports.com[/URL]

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I understand Zorn and JC would have worked together closely if he was the OC but having a career QB coach leading the team with a young QB is an interesting angle. We cant really make any assesments since Zorn is untested as a HC. Cant say im heartbroken we didnt land mooch or fassel

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;420179]Interesting read. How do you get the shaft when you where never offered the job or hired? It sounds like fassel or fassel's agent wrote the article..? [B]But thanks for the strong Zorn recommendation.[/B] :thumb:

[URL="http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10631641"]Washington Redskins, National Football League - CBSSports.com[/URL][/QUOTE]

Note to self (and probably to Fassel), when interviewing for a position, be sure to temper any praise for others so as to not give the interviewer any ammunition to hire someone else rather than me. ;)

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;420179]Interesting read. How do you get the shaft when you where never offered the job or hired? It sounds like fassel or fassel's agent wrote the article..? But thanks for the strong Zorn recommendation. :thumb:

[URL="http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10631641"]Washington Redskins, National Football League - CBSSports.com[/URL][/QUOTE]

"It is unclear what happened, though Fassel thinks he has an idea. He believes there were "forces" working behind the scenes -- with Fassel singling out Redskins vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato -- that began to promote Zorn at his expense."

Basically the same thing I was saying here: [url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/419930-post129.html[/url]

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I still wish we would have just gave GW the job....but, this is interesting - not a big name for Dan the Snyde? It does kinda give credence to the stop gap hire theory. What happens if Zorn has a decent season and then Cowher shows interest for the job next year? Even if this is a good hire I bet our FO finds a way to mess it up.

But anyhow, I am jumping on the Zorn Train and I believe that every Coach hire should get at least 2 years (maybe 3) to prove themselves. Let's hope this is not the beginning of a revolving door coaching carousel!

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[quote=81forHOF;420211]I still wish we would have just gave GW the job....but, this is interesting - not a big name for Dan the Snyde? It does kinda give credence to the stop gap hire theory. What happens if Zorn has a decent season and then Cowher shows interest for the job next year? Even if this is a good hire I bet our FO finds a way to mess it up.

But anyhow, I am jumping on the Zorn Train and I believe that every Coach hire should get at least 2 years (maybe 3) to prove themselves. Let's hope this is not the beginning of a revolving door coaching carousel![/quote]
Amen to your last statement.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;420194]"It is unclear what happened, though Fassel thinks he has an idea. He believes there were "forces" working behind the scenes -- with Fassel singling out Redskins vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato -- that began to promote Zorn at his expense."

Basically the same thing I was saying here: [url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/419930-post129.html[/url][/QUOTE]


well I guess that rules out Fassel as our next OC

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Redskins had over 50 candidates.... I know there are a few members here that are in the media industry. Can anyone muster 50 names? and 10 fianlists... Does anyone think maybe these numbers were skewed to make up for the long process?

Link: [url=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1748]Redskins Detail Head Coach Search[/url]

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I've got so many thoughts on this hire so I'll just lay them out:

-Didn't see this move coming at all. I really hope this was more due to them just loving Zorn and realizing he would be a great fit vs. an underwhelming list of available candidates. I really liked the move when we picked him up as the OC, and I thought he would be a good choice to groom as a potential HC in a few years.

-I like what he brings to the table with his coaching background, even though he's never been a HC or OC at this level. He seems to be pretty highly regarded around the league and from his ex-players.

-Why not go this route? We've tried the legend route with Gibbs, the hot college coach in Spurrier, and the wise veteran with Marty. Guess it's time for the unknown, totally "not sexy" hire with Zorn.

-Is he really ready for this? The jump from QB coach to HC is a big one. By all accounts though he's a sharp guy and very well organized. He also sounds like a players coach with a pretty even keeled temper, so it should be a fairly smooth transition from Gibbs.

-I'm just wondering how much patience the front office will have. Is this really a long term commitment, or will they be looking to dump him and go after Cowher if the team doesn't come storming out of the gate this year? I say you've gotta to give him a realistic shot. Unless he's just a complete disaster, you've got to give him at least 2-3 seasons.

-Overall I like the move even though I'm still trying to soak it all in. I was ok with Fassel but at the same time he was a very ho-hum candidate. He may have been a better choice for the short term, but who knows... perhaps this is Snyder's version of Joe Gibbs 1.0. When Gibbs first came on the scene he was basically an unknown and he turned out "ok". Either way I'm just glad the search is over so we can start focusing on free agency and the draft.

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;420227]Redskins had over 50 candidates.... I know there are a few members here that are in the media industry. Can anyone muster 50 names? and 10 fianlists... Does anyone think maybe these numbers were skewed to make up for the long process?

Link: [url=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1748]Redskins Detail Head Coach Search[/url][/QUOTE]


Mora
Zorn
Schwartz
Fassel
Mariucci
Williams
Meeks
Spagnuolo
Carroll
Cowher

That's 10 finalists right there. And I'm sure 50 total names wouldn't be too hard to compile

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[quote=Mattyk72;420232]I've got so many thoughts on this hire so I'll just lay them out:

-Didn't see this move coming at all. I really hope this was more due to them just loving Zorn and realizing he would be a great fit vs. an underwhelming list of available candidates. I really liked the move when we picked him up as the OC, and I thought he would be a good choice to groom as a potential HC in a few years.

-I like what he brings to the table with his coaching background, even though he's never been a HC or OC at this level. He seems to be pretty highly regarded around the league and from his ex-players.

-Why not go this route? We've tried the legend route with Gibbs, the hot college coach in Spurrier, and the wise veteran with Marty. Guess it's time for the unknown, totally "not sexy" hire with Zorn.

-Is he really ready for this? The jump from QB coach to HC is a big one. By all accounts though he's a sharp guy and very well organized. He also sounds like a players coach with a pretty even keeled temper, so it should be a fairly smooth transition from Gibbs.

[B] -I'm just wondering how much patience the front office will have. Is this really a long term commitment, or will they be looking to dump him and go after Cowher if the team doesn't come storming out of the gate this year? I say you've gotta to give him a realistic shot. Unless he's just a complete disaster, you've got to give him at least 2-3 seasons.
[/B]
-Overall I like the move even though I'm still trying to soak it all in. I was ok with Fassel but at the same time he was a very ho-hum candidate. He may have been a better choice for the short term, but who knows... perhaps this is Snyder's version of Joe Gibbs 1.0. When Gibbs first came on the scene he was basically an unknown and he turned out "ok". Either way I'm just glad the search is over so we can start focusing on free agency and the draft.[/quote]

I think the thing people have to remember is that this is a winning team. We're not the falcons or dolphins. He is inheriting a team that knows how to win full of coaches who already know the players. He doesn't have to "turn us around" so to speak. I would be in more of a panic say if we had handed a 4-12 team over to a newbie. This should be an easier transition than that.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;420234]Mora
Zorn
Schwartz
Fassel
Mariucci
Williams
Meeks
Spagnuolo
Carroll
Cowher

That's 10 finalists right there. And I'm sure 50 total names wouldn't be too hard to compile[/QUOTE]

With all due respect SmootSmack, that really isn't a list of finalists is it? Schwartz got 1 interview, Carroll got a cup of coffee, Mora and Spags withdrew, and Cowher never so much as said a word. The Skins may call these guys their finalists but I look at a finalist as someone who would actually consider taking the job.

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[QUOTE=redwagonskins;420238]With all due respect SmootSmack, that really isn't a list of finalists is it? Schwartz got 1 interview, Carroll got a cup of coffee, Mora and Spags withdrew, and Cowher never so much as said a word. The Skins may call these guys their finalists but I look at a finalist as someone who would actually consider taking the job.[/QUOTE]

I guess it's how you define finalists

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I like the hiring and promotion of Zorn. I am glad Snyder did not necessarily go for a big name. Maybe he learned that a big name coach or player does not always translate into wins.
I will be curious to see who the new OC will be.
The big question how long will it take for the players and new coach to come together mentally and emotionally, especially after all that happened last season. All the X's and O's are not going to make a bit of a difference unless the players and staff be in sync mentally.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;420241][B]I guess it's how you define finalists[/B][/QUOTE]

You're probably right and DS and VC probably have a much broader definition than I may.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;420242]I like the hiring and promotion of Zorn. I am glad Snyder did not necessarily go for a big name. Maybe he learned that a big name coach or player does not always translate into wins.
I will be curious to see who the new OC will be.
The big question how long will it take for the players and new coach to come together mentally and emotionally, especially after all that happened last season. All the X's and O's are not going to make a bit of a difference unless the players and staff be in sync mentally.[/quote]

I'm guessing Zorn will still be in charge of the offense and maybe he will hire an assistant to help mentor JC.

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JLC blog, More details of the hiring of Zorn. Jim's gonna be wearing a lot of hats.

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;420249]JLC blog, More details of the hiring of Zorn. Jim's gonna be wearing a lot of hats.

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url][/QUOTE]

Man, I hope this part is not true:
"Also, [B]though Earnest Byner did in fact go to Redskins Park to sign his contract last week - the one-year offer that was on the table - league sources said the team then balked at him[/B]. The Redskins are trying to land Seattle RB Coach Stump Mitchell to do that job here, league sources said, and he too is close to Zorn and has worked with him for many years. The Redskins would like to convince the Seahawks to do a coaching swap of sorts, with Byner landing in Seattle (all of this, again, is ridiculously unfair to Byner,) with Mitchell going here and Byner going there."
I am hoping this is just rumor and innuendo, but if so, Byner is getting a raw deal.

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;420235]I think the thing people have to remember is that this is a winning team. We're not the falcons or dolphins. He is inheriting a team that knows how to win full of coaches who already know the players. He doesn't have to "turn us around" so to speak. I would be in more of a panic say if we had handed a 4-12 team over to a newbie. This should be an easier transition than that.[/quote]

True but that also brings some extra pressure too. He's going to be expected to win right away. If we crash and burn he will undoubtedly take the brunt of the blame.

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Yea if that is true, that is just wrong on the Byner deal. I thought he had already signed the 1 year extension, I guess not. Thats just wrong.

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Well if they were hot and heavy in talks with Zorn at the time Byner tried to sign I guess I could understand it. Sounds like they want to give Zorn the chance to bring in some of his own guys.

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This is really bad, Seems like everyone is happy about Jim Zorn and him bringing the pass happy WCO here here, Does anyone remamber Steve Sperrier, What a lousy time that was for the Redskins.