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[quote=KWilly_2003;473358]I hate people that bash JC and call for Colt.....I mean those people need to get hit by a bus.[/quote]

You need to settle down. Your posts are a little...over the top

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I take back what I originally said about the Redskins not needing Brett Favre.

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[quote=jsarno;473656]LOL...nah, I think I have successfully shown that he is overrated. BTW, 1 td and 3 turnovers for him today. He clearly has not learned anything yet...then again the season is young. I ran those threads because people thought he was a stud, people no longer think that.[/quote]

The sad part is that they still managed to win the game and beat up on a good Jags team.

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I forgot to mention that on the Redskins postgame show, John Riggins said that when you talk to Cold Brennan he sounds like a confident NFL quarterback, but when you talk to Jason Campbell he sounds like a rookie with not much confidence. I paraphrased a lot, but that's the essence of what Riggins observed, not that it means much, but it's an opinion that's out there, and a lot of other people have said the same thing.

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My final thought until next week: Can we just give the kid a chance?

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^^^ no doubt, barring injury campbell will start all this season and probaly/hopefully next year untill his K runs out.

go skins!

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[quote=saden1;473778]The sad part is that they still managed to win the game and beat up on a good Jags team.[/quote]

I know!!! Imagine what a real qb could have done vs the Jags on sunday???? Makes me wonder if Collins could be their starter for the rest of the season, especially considering that VY was so upset about the fans booing him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;473797]My final thought until next week: Can we just give the kid a chance?[/quote]

I'll give him a chance every week this year, hell even next year if he's not very good this season. But even some of the best West Coast QB's ever (McNabb, Steve Young, Hasselbeck...) took at least 2 or 3 seasons to excel in the WCO. He needs to speed up his learning curve, because I don't think anyone anywhere, including the skins FO, is saying "man, imagine how great Jason will be in 2011 when he's really mastered the system?"

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[quote=GMScud;474119]I'll give him a chance every week this year, hell even next year if he's not very good this season. But even some of the best West Coast QB's ever (McNabb, Steve Young, Hasselbeck...) took at least 2 or 3 seasons to excel in the WCO. [B] He needs to speed up his learning curve, because I don't think anyone anywhere, including the skins FO, is saying "man, imagine how great Jason will be in 2011 when he's really mastered the system?[/B]"[/quote]

Most definitely. He's not going to have 2-3 seasons to master this offense if he doesn't show solid progress along the way.

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Now I am convinced that this thread was way too knee jerk in the first place. Oh well. Please prove me wrong JC!

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[quote=Mattyk72;474121]Most definitely.[B] He's not going to have 2-3 seasons to master this offense[/B] if he doesn't show solid progress along the way.[/quote]

Thats for sure, he will be lucky 'IF he doesn't take the next step this year, to have this year to prove he's capable of being our future QB. I think JC HAS to take big steps in the first half (8 games) of this season or who knows what his future might or might not hold in DC.

Mastering the offense....? He will simply need to find a way to get some wins under his belt. New system or not, we are coming off a playoff season. Without JC at the helm.

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[quote=JLee9718;473783]I forgot to mention that on the Redskins postgame show, John Riggins said that when you talk to Cold Brennan he sounds like a confident NFL quarterback, but when you talk to Jason Campbell he sounds like a rookie with not much confidence. I paraphrased a lot, but that's the essence of what Riggins observed, not that it means much, but it's an opinion that's out there, and a lot of other people have said the same thing.[/quote]

This is what happens when Colt Brennan plays against first-team DBs. I know it is still practice, but still:

[B]"Springs wore a wrapping around his calf during Monday’s practice. He looked in good form, at one point picking off a Colt Brennan pass."[/B]

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Springs_Returns_to_Practice_22257.jsp]News & Notes: Springs Returns to Practice[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;474195][b]This is what happens when Colt Brennan plays against first-team DBs. I know it is still practice, but still:[/b]

"Springs wore a wrapping around his calf during Monday’s practice. He looked in good form, at one point picking off a Colt Brennan pass."

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Springs_Returns_to_Practice_22257.jsp]News & Notes: Springs Returns to Practice[/url][/quote]

:doh:

-throw in an Allen Iverson quote-

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[quote=jsarno;474199]:doh:

-throw in an Allen Iverson quote-[/quote]

LOL. Good one. :rofl:

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[quote=jgalecpa;473531]Farve won today.

The question about intellect goes to Campbell's ability to learn new systems.

I base my criticism primarily on his inability to increase on steady basis his QB rating.


If this were one game, people would not be upset, I believe. Going back to last year, he's lost five out of six games he finished, NOT counting the preseason this year.

Seems to be a pattern.

That's our concern, not the last game, the last 8-10 games, overall.

J-Dawg.[/quote]

How long has Favre been in the league? The point of what I am saying even he said he had problems picking up the new offense and jargon. Yeah JC lost all those games by himself. :doh:

He was playing o-line..WR and defense..very versatile dude..lol

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Everyone puts the blam eon Jason. But I am telling you this..These WRs need to get OPEN. ON the highlight real reel on a couple of those dump offs.. I clearly see Jason looking down feel and going through his progressions and seeing nothing. Then dumping the pass off.

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here's an idea, trade jason cambell now to a team who just lost a qb. and in return, we get a good.. corner/ saftey.

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^^^ ohh noooo! you just started the cycle all over again lol! may i suggest this topic has been discussed ad nausem and we can close this until the next one starts up again??

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If it was up to some people on this board JC would be gone. I am frankly tired of hearing all the whinning. If he doesn't get it done this year. Then maybe we should get another QB. If not I know a lot of people are going to want CB to start. But when he gets knocked around a couple times from our O-line not doing their job. Lets see how affective he will be. I am just sick of hearing about it.

Jason has a slow release..

He is not smart enough...

He can't read defenses..

He's running into sacks..

He's not Romo..

He's not Manning..

Well the freaking coach should have him prepared. The kid only had a few weeks break and was the hardest worker in the off season. Learning his 100th offense. He clearly puts in work. But its clear he is not given the proper direction and players are not put in a positon to excel. Then Zorn says oh it took Hasselback 4 years to learn the offense. JC doesn't have 4 years and he isn't in the AFC West. Step your game up coach!!

We dont make the calls the coach does and frankly he needs to step his game up too. But until then stop the blood clot crying.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;474387]If it was up to some people on this board JC would be gone. I am frankly tired of hearing all the whinning. If he doesn't get it done this year. Then maybe we should get another QB. If not I know a lot of people are going to want CB to start. But when he gets knocked around a couple times from our O-line not doing their job. Lets see how affective he will be. I am just sick of hearing about it.

Jason has a slow release..

He is not smart enough...

He can't read defenses..

He's running into sacks..

He's not Romo..

He's not Manning..

Well the freaking coach should have him prepared. The kid only had a few weeks break and was the hardest worker in the off season. Learning his 100th offense. He clearly puts in work. But its clear he is not given the proper direction and players are not put in a positon to excel. Then Zorn says oh it took Hasselback 4 years to learn the offense. JC doesn't have 4 years and he isn't in the AFC West. Step your game up coach!!

We dont make the calls the coach does and frankly he needs to step his game up too. But until then stop the blood clot crying.[/quote]
Look, I am tired of this thread also, I have reframed from making any comments, but I am extremely discouraged with JC. The Redskins have done everything in the world to help this guy and he just does not seem to be the guy we hoped he would be. Only about half of the first round Quarter backs ever pan out anyway. I hope he proves everyone wrong, and turns the corner, but this is definitly the year he has to make something happen or we will be looking for our next QB

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It's his [U][B]2nd[/B][/U] season as the starter... gotta give it some time people.

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[quote=Mattyk72;474396]It's his [U][B]2nd[/B][/U] season as the starter... gotta give it some time people.[/quote]

I was roasting (bad mouthing) him on Friday about his reading the field. We gotta cool it with the Campbell bashing. I saw him in a Redskins.com interview last night and you could see the effects of the media on him. I'm behind the dude, good game or bad game.

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[quote=bornaskin1966;474353]here's an idea, trade jason cambell now to a team who just lost a qb. and in return, we get a good.. corner/ saftey.[/quote]

I'm gonna chalk this up to you having a hangover from Manic Monday.

It's okay.. This is a safe place. We are all here for you. :grouphug:

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[quote=T.O.Killa;474395]Look, I am tired of this thread also, I have reframed from making any comments, but I am extremely discouraged with JC. The Redskins have done everything in the world to help this guy and he just does not seem to be the guy we hoped he would be. Only about half of the first round Quarter backs ever pan out anyway. I hope he proves everyone wrong, and turns the corner, but this is definitly the year he has to make something happen or we will be looking for our next QB[/quote]

I dont think they have done everything for him to succeed. Its quite the contrary. Doing things for him to succeed would be to

1. [B]Keep the same offensive coordinator for more than 2 years.[/B]
2.[B] Giving him a true number one receiver.[/B]
3. [B]Suring up the offensive line.[/B]

But I agree with everything else. If he had been in the same system for 3 years. I would be the first one to say. He needs to go or move to back up role and bring a veteran QB in until we figure out something. People need to learn patience. Because if not. It will be the same thing with other QBs. Most QB's who have been successful have been in the same system and haven't had coaching and mgmt carousels.

This is not an excuse but it is a [B]major factor[/B]. Why can't some people realize this. Palmer, Brady, Manning, Eli, McNabb stayed in the same offensive system/coach for the most part with the exceptions of Manning who had a new head coach but he was already pro bowl caliber when that happened. They gave them chances to grow even when they stumbled and fell. People were talking about giving up on MCNabb. I could see if it was because he is prone to being injured. But you know what he does when he is healthy. Kolb is a joke compared to McNabb. But this is what happens when you nuture a QB and cultivate him. Instead of picking him up and re-rooting him again and again and expecting him to grow normally and be on the higher tier of NFL QBs. Name [B]ONE[/B] QB that has had different offensive systems each year that has been successful. [B]JUST ONE!![/B]

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;474401]I dont think they have done everything for him to succeed. Its quite the contrary. Doing things for him to succeed would be to

1. [B]Keep the same offensive coordinator for more than 2 years.[/B]
2.[B] Giving him a true number one receiver.[/B]
3. [B]Suring up the offensive line.[/B]

But I agree with everything else. If he had been in the same system for 3 years. I would be the first one to say. He needs to go or move to back up role and bring a veteran QB in until we figure out something. People need to learn patience. Because if not. It will be the same thing with other QBs. Most QB's who have been successful have been in the same system and haven't had coaching and mgmt carousels.

This is not an excuse but it is a [B]major factor[/B]. Why can't some people realize this. Palmer, Brady, Manning, Eli, McNabb stayed in the same offensive system/coach for the most part with the exceptions of Manning who had a new head coach but he was already pro bowl caliber when that happened. They gave them chances to grow even when they stumbled and fell. People were talking about giving up on MCNabb. I could see if it was because he is prone to being injured. But you know what he does when he is healthy. Kolb is a joke compared to McNabb. But this is what happens when you nuture a QB and cultivate him. Instead of picking him up and re-rooting him again and again and expecting him to grow normally and be on the higher tier of NFL QBs. Name [B]ONE[/B] QB that has had different offensive systems each year that has been successful. [B]JUST ONE!![/B][/quote]

Could'nt of said it better myself. All these people who want 'instant gratification' should of been happy back when Snyder was trying to BUY a championship I guess. How'd that work out? Why can't these naysayers understand that none of the above mentioned quarterbacks have had to go through what Campbell has and it still took them more than one season to understand the system and play well. My God, this is'nt that hard to understand. And I'm tired of hearing how long JC has been playing. He has'nt played that long and he's only played ONE game in this particular system. Thank God who plays isn't decided by the fans. Manning and McNabb's heads would have rolled the first year and they never would of led their teams to the Super Bowl........ Come to think of it, that would of been alright with me!

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I think we as fans could either help or hurt his development this year.

If we sit in the stands and boo every growing pain, it will just wear him down even more.

I think it's time to rally round the flag, as it were, and give him whatever support we can.

I'd hate to hear the boos rain down on Sunday.

That won't do anybody any good.


J-Dawg

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;474401]I dont think they have done everything for him to succeed. Its quite the contrary. Doing things for him to succeed would be to

1. [B]Keep the same offensive coordinator for more than 2 years.[/B]
2.[B] Giving him a true number one receiver.[/B]
3. [B]Suring up the offensive line.[/B]

But I agree with everything else. If he had been in the same system for 3 years. I would be the first one to say. He needs to go or move to back up role and bring a veteran QB in until we figure out something. People need to learn patience. Because if not. It will be the same thing with other QBs. Most QB's who have been successful have been in the same system and haven't had coaching and mgmt carousels.

This is not an excuse but it is a [B]major factor[/B]. Why can't some people realize this. Palmer, Brady, Manning, Eli, McNabb stayed in the same offensive system/coach for the most part with the exceptions of Manning who had a new head coach but he was already pro bowl caliber when that happened. They gave them chances to grow even when they stumbled and fell. People were talking about giving up on MCNabb. I could see if it was because he is prone to being injured. But you know what he does when he is healthy. Kolb is a joke compared to McNabb. But this is what happens when you nuture a QB and cultivate him. Instead of picking him up and re-rooting him again and again and expecting him to grow normally and be on the higher tier of NFL QBs. Name [B]ONE[/B] QB that has had different offensive systems each year that has been successful. [B]JUST ONE!![/B][/quote]
Here is what they did. When Joe Gibbs thought he was not doing a good enough job to make the offense better and help Campbel progress he hired Al Saunders. Al was thought of as one of the greatest offensive minds in football. Campbell made him look like an idiot, so he fell out of favor with the FO. Then Vinny and Snyder set out to find the best offensive Quarter Back coach, they found Zorn. They thought it was so important to have a great Quarterback coach to help Campbell progress they made him the head coach. Find any team that has done so much to help a player along.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;474437]Here is what they did. When Joe Gibbs thought he was not doing a good enough job to make the offense better and help Campbel progress he hired Al Saunders. Al was thought of as one of the greatest offensive minds in football. Campbell made him look like an idiot, so he fell out of favor with the FO. Then Vinny and Snyder set out to find the best offensive Quarter Back coach, they found Zorn. They thought it was so important to have a great Quarterback coach to help Campbell progress they made him the head coach. Find any team that has done so much to help a player along.[/quote]

Marc Bulger must be making him look like an idiot now cause the Rams suck. Every quarterback that has been in Saunders system that has spoken on it, has said it took about 3 years for a quarterback to get good with it. They know, so it must be true. Why else would they say it? Jason had what, 1 and half years with it? Sometimes a new system can make a quarterback look like an idiot. I'm not happy with his play right now either, but seriously, why do we expect more of Jason than others. Brett Favre would'nt do very well if he had to learn and play with a new system every year. Yes they are trying to help Jason, but come on, Zorn just got here. We've played one game. One.

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[quote=mauiRedskinbarn;472553]Put in collins, He spanked the giants 8 months ago, he won 4 in a row, he's still got momentum. He should be this teams captain, he can guide this team better than JC. Having him in is the best chance we have.

Just like in Arizona, sit the sucker, start the veteran[/quote]

well said. cause everyone here know's i've been wanting to bench jc since october 07

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Can somebody please lock this....I think only the bones are left from this dead horse.

:bdh:

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[quote=Ruhskins;474913]Can somebody please lock this....I think only the bones are left from this dead horse.

:bdh:[/quote]

Bones? Its just smithereens and ashes left!

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[quote=DIRTEE;474398]I saw him in a Redskins.com interview last night and you could see the effects of the media on him. [/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I say he needs to suck it up.... and fight for his spot in the NFL. If you are going to let all the bad press dictate who you are then he isn't a true NFL QB to start with. This is his time to grow up and show us what a great QB he can be.. period. I'm actually hoping (believe it or not) that the bad times will slap some sense into him and make him play his guts out and prove his critics wrong. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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message to JC haters!! NOW WHAT!!! Take that!..Take that!..Take that! lol

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;476541]message to JC haters!! NOW WHAT!!! Take that!..Take that!..Take that! lol[/quote]

Yeah, where are the "let's start Colt Brennan" people. LOL.

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JC is EXACTLY.............what I thought. He showed a little bit today

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Wow, what a difference some protection and strong running game make. Keep Campbell upright and he's got the arm to make every throw necessary. Great game by Campbell, especially considering all the doubters he heard. 24/36 for 321, man that's the pro style passing game we've been looking for since Spurrier hit town.

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This has been one of the most long running, dumbest thread of all time. The Redskins lost to the Super Bowl champions and Jason Campbell had a bad game. All of a sudden, he is not intelligent enough to quarterback a NFL team, he doesn't read defenses fast enough, he holds onto the ball too long, he will never be successful in the NFL. That is way too much overreacting after one game. After a fantastic performance today, I will very much be interested in the thoughts of all the Jason Campbell haters. There are some apologies that need to be made. You know who you are (hesscl34, mauiRedskinbarn, SOUL-SKINS, davy, pdid5000, Skinny Tee, irish, jgalecpa, JLee9718, ...)

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;476746]This has been one of the most long running, dumbest thread of all time. The Redskins lost to the Super Bowl champions and Jason Campbell had a bad game. All of a sudden, he is not intelligent enough to quarterback a NFL team, he doesn't read defenses fast enough, he holds onto the ball too long, he will never be successful in the NFL. That is way too much overreacting after one game. After a fantastic performance today, I will very much be interested in the thoughts of all the Jason Campbell haters. There are some apologies that need to be made. You know who you are (hesscl34, mauiRedskinbarn, SOUL-SKINS, davy, pdid5000, Skinny Tee, irish, jgalecpa, JLee9718, ...)[/quote]

just like the people who overreacted last week to JC's bad performance,theres the people overreacting to his good performance,props to Jc for having a good game,but one game doesntmake a career,he needs to be consistant ,but this was a great step in the right direction,he got the ship turned around quick

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He had a great game and when I thought we where looking at another loss he hit the long pass to Moss. I just hope he can build off this win.

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[quote=htownskinfan;476766]just like the people who overreacted last week to JC's bad performance,theres the people overreacting to his good performance,props to Jc for having a good game,but one game doesntmake a career,he needs to be consistant ,but this was a great step in the right direction,he got the ship turned around quick[/quote]

I agree but the overreaction that happened last week was a lot worse that this week. The bring Colt in chants, JC could never be a solid NFL QB, JC is a sorry bitch. All types of things were thrown out last week I haven't heard too much outrageous talk so far.