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[quote=LandrySlice;530075]This is the worst tourcher for me ever, I am literally like an hour from getting on a bus and starting basic training, and it is gonna take me a while to find out what happened with Haynesworth and Hall! Hail to the Skins, and I will begin posting in 9 weeks!!!![/quote]

Are you at the Baltimore MEPS right now? Where are you going to Basic at?

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The first post in this thread has been updated again. It reflects:

- Cornelius Griffin restructure, saving $3.0 million per JLC (again, pending a better number from CC).

- Montgomery and Suisham tenders, assumed to cost $1.0 million each.

I have us at roughly $11.8 million in space at the moment.

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[quote=Schneed10;530080]I disagree. JLC is reporting $15 million in guarantees is the ballpark for Hall. Going off that, no matter what length a deal you give him, you can only allocate that over 5 years. So the guarantee would count $3.0 million in 2009.

But you could still get around the 30% rule with an adequately lengthy contract, perhaps 6-8 years, allowing you to grow base salaries and include unguaranteed option bonuses in the out years. Perhaps the base salary in 2009 would have to be $1.5 million in order to keep with 30%, but I can't see it needing to be much higher than that. The absolute max cap hit for Hall would be $5.0 million, and I think closer to $4.0 is realistic given the 'Skins' ability to restructure/extend their other guys.[/quote]

you seriously think a player is going to be under contract for 6-8 years just for cap purposes? 5 years means he's free at 30, instead of 32-33 (BIG difference). i think contracts over 6 years were made illegal too, but i'm not sure. I just really don't see him or his agent bending over backwards to help the skins after taking this long to get a deal done. Not to mention adding huge salaries on the end of a deal for ego is worthless to most players, since they want to actually get paid, and backloading our deal just makes our offer less competitive.

I think 5mill is more realistic, unless that option bonus is like, 20mill or something stupid.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;530275]So its my understanding that we are 12M under the cap now. We need 2.5M for draft picks, and we're probably tendering a few of our own guys, so lets say we save 3M for that. so that gives us 6.5M to work with.

Hall would cost us 4M against the 2009 cap. However, signing Hall likely means releasing springs, so if we made both those moves, we're still left with 9M to play with.

Lets say we do land Haynesworth. The experts here think this could be done and only cost us 7M against the 2009 cap. So that leaves us with 2M

But now Dockery is available and signing him would probably cost 3-4M against the cap. However, its my understanding that we could restructure Taylors contract and save 2M, leaving us right around the salary cap.

So, at the end of the day, if we made those moves, our entire defense would be in extremely good shape, with the only noteable vacancy at Strong Side LB.

On offense, we are set with the only noteable need for an upgrade at RT. (RG is also a need but i cant see anyone replacing Thomas this year, not with his contract).

If we don't go after Haynesworth or we decide to cut Taylor, i think its likely we have room to sign Canty, a WR such as Amani Toomer or Devery Henderson, and a LB.[/quote]

I'd rather cut taylor than restructure him... he has no reason to redo his deal unless we offer him a shiny new deal (which would be a really bad idea).

canty is great, but at WR i rather have galloway, nate washington, or maybe even mike furrey. henderson has been a bit of a bust. speed and no hands, or whatnot.

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[quote=That Guy;530493]you seriously think a player is going to be under contract for 6-8 years just for cap purposes? 5 years means he's free at 30, instead of 32-33 (BIG difference). i think contracts over 6 years were made illegal too, but i'm not sure. I just really don't see him or his agent bending over backwards to help the skins after taking this long to get a deal done. Not to mention adding huge salaries on the end of a deal for ego is worthless to most players, since they want to actually get paid, and backloading our deal just makes our offer less competitive.

I think 5mill is more realistic, unless that option bonus is like, 20mill or something stupid.[/quote]

If the contract is sufficiently backloaded or loaded with option bonuses, it doesn't matter how long the contract is. The player and player agent will know that when the salary/option bonus is scheduled to jump, the team has a decision to make: keep him or cut him. Either the player gets kept for a huge base salary (Jason Taylor this year) or cut and allowed to seek employment elsewhere. It's a win win for the player. DeAngelo Hall had a 7 year contract with the Raiders. Nate Clements signed an 8 year deal with the 49ers. Asomugha just reupped with the Raiders for 6 years.

In football players don't worry about long contracts because they're not guaranteed. If they actually play out the contract, they get friggin rich. If they get cut, they end up with another shot at a new contract.

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the NFL Network has us at 8.1 mill. Does that include Daniels contract voided or will that be added at the start of free agency when it actually voids?

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[quote=MrJL;530539]the NFL Network has us at 8.1 mill. Does that include Daniels contract voided or will that be added at the start of free agency when it actually voids?[/quote]

that or they're not updated on the restructuring (since it's adam schefter or whoever writing the piece, not the league office that necessarily tracks that in depth).

could be wrong though, but i think it might just be dated research.

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[quote=That Guy;530551]that or they're not updated on the restructuring (since it's adam schefter or whoever writing the piece, not the league office that necessarily tracks that in depth).

could be wrong though, but i think it might just be dated research.[/quote]

Sounds about right. We had around $4 million in space right after releasing Marcus, and then everyone got the $4 million boost on top of that for the revised cap limit.

That's probably how they got to the $8.

We've since had several restructures.

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[quote=Schneed10;530553]Sounds about right. We had around $4 million in space right after releasing Marcus, and then everyone got the $4 million boost on top of that for the revised cap limit.

That's probably how they got to the $8.

We've since had several restructures.[/quote]


I can't believe we were only 4 mill under before the extra money came available. I me we were only a couple million over after Randel El and Carter were renogatiated. Griffin and Samuels did that little?

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[quote=MrJL;530916]I can't believe we were only 4 mill under before the extra money came available. I me we were only a couple million over after Randel El and Carter were renogatiated. Griffin and Samuels did that little?[/quote]

i think griffin got us 3 and samuels 2.5 or something.

and then our kicker signed his offer, that costs us 1mill and he's secured for next year. we have unsigned tenders for 1.5mill each to golston and montgomery right now i think too.

these guys have all gotten redone a million times though, so it's not like you can squeeze all that much out of those deals.

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How in the H*** did we afford both those contracts?????

Seems like we must not have any room left (unless some cuts -SS, JT were made). With AH here, I think SS became expendable, but JT's play must necessarily get better, right??

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Maybe Snyder knows a lil something something about there not being a cap next year and is spending now.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;530934]How in the H*** did we afford both those contracts?????

Seems like we must not have any room left (unless some cuts -SS, JT were made). With AH here, I think SS became expendable, but JT's play must necessarily get better, right??[/quote]

I explained in this post here (you're forgiven for not tracing back, it's a huge thread):

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a-14.html#post529995[/URL]

Since writing that post, I've realized how they've done it. By installing option bonuses in the second year of the contract, the Redskins were able to cleverly circumvent the 30% Rule. The option bonus doesn't count as salary, so they don't exceed the 30% inflation limit on base salaries.

So, to that guy's point, why would a player go for that? Trust. Dan Snyder sold them on the idea that while the bonus was technically an option bonus (for cap purposes), he had every intention of paying the player that money.

That's why Haynesworth contract says he'll get $32 million in the first [B][U]13[/U][/B] months. Notice they didn't say in the first [B][U]year[/U][/B]. He has a huge option bonus put in for 2010. I'm sure Danny has every intention of picking it up; it is clear the Redskins don't expect a salary cap in 2010.

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[quote=Schneed10;518414]
[B]Expected Signings - savings[COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana](hit)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B]
Albert Haynesworth [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]($7.0)[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]DeAngelo Hall [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]($4.0)[/FONT][/COLOR]
[FONT=Verdana]Pete Kendall[COLOR=red] ($1.5)[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Kedric Golston[COLOR=red] ($1.0)[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Demetric Evans[COLOR=red] ($1.0)[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Rookies [COLOR=red]($2.5)[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Players Removed from Top 51 $4.3[/FONT]
[B][FONT=Verdana]Total Expected Signings [COLOR=red]($12.7)[/COLOR][/FONT][/B]
[/quote]

Wow Schneed, that was a pretty good prediction so far. Haynesworth is in, Hall is in, Golston got tendered. We'll see about Kendall now that Dockery is on the market, but still, you must know what you're talking about.

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[quote=Schneed10;530971]Wow Schneed, that was a pretty good prediction so far. Haynesworth is in, Hall is in, Golston got tendered. We'll see about Kendall now that Dockery is on the market, but still, you must know what you're talking about.[/quote]

Oh thanks Schneed. I just keep an eye on Canuck's cap sheets. Money talks, all I do is listen.

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[quote=Schneed10;530969]I explained in this post here (you're forgiven for not tracing back, it's a huge thread):

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a-14.html#post529995[/URL]

Since writing that post, I've realized how they've done it. By installing option bonuses in the second year of the contract, the Redskins were able to cleverly circumvent the 30% Rule. The option bonus doesn't count as salary, so they don't exceed the 30% inflation limit on base salaries.

So, to that guy's point, why would a player go for that? Trust. Dan Snyder sold them on the idea that while the bonus was technically an option bonus (for cap purposes), he had every intention of paying the player that money.

That's why Haynesworth contract says he'll get $32 million in the first [B][U]13[/U][/B] months. Notice they didn't say in the first [B][U]year[/U][/B]. He has a huge option bonus put in for 2010. I'm sure Danny has every intention of picking it up; it is clear the Redskins don't expect a salary cap in 2010.[/quote]

Now you have to wonder whether we'll cut Springs and Taylor if we find a worthy replacement for them in free agency.

If we cut them it would seem that we back in the thick of guys like Jason Brown and Dockery.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;530975]Now you have to wonder whether we'll cut Springs and Taylor if we find a worthy replacement for them in free agency.

If we cut them it would seem that we back in the thick of guys like Jason Brown and Dockery.[/quote]

News has already come out that Taylor won't be going anywhere, he'll be staying for the full $8.5 million. That came from Taylor's agent who was told so by the team. One thing the Redskins absolutely do not do is go back on their word to agents. They know where their bread is buttered, they're very trustworthy in business dealings.

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i'd like to see the actual numbers, and i don't think anyone thought hall + haynesworth was impossible or even unlikely, so i wouldn't be so up about that.

still, i read that all non-signing bonus guaranteed money is counted for 2009, so i don't see how they could call an option bonus guaranteed...

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[quote=That Guy;530979]i'd like to see the actual numbers, and i don't think anyone thought hall + haynesworth was impossible or even unlikely, so i wouldn't be so up about that.

still, i read that all non-signing bonus guaranteed money is counted for 2009, so i don't see how they could call an option bonus guaranteed...[/quote]

I'm not "up" about it. I'm taking digs at you for saying we needed 27 million in room to get all this done. I have absolutely no clue how you got that number.

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[quote=Schneed10;530981]I'm not "up" about it. I'm taking digs at you for saying we needed 27 million in room to get all this done. I have absolutely no clue how you got that number.[/quote]

i never said anything close to that, but thanks anyways.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;530938]Maybe Snyder knows a lil something something about there not being a cap next year and is spending now.[/quote]Philly frequently uses excess cap space during the season to re-sign 1 or 2 players, with guaranteed money in the form of a roster bonus (only applicable to that year's cap). I wonder if Snyder is scheming to restructure a bunch of guys during the uncapped season, effectively using roster bonuses that will be off the books by the following season. This tactic would require a lot of cash on hand, but that never seems to be an issue for Snyder.

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[quote=Schneed10;530971]Wow Schneed, that was a pretty good prediction so far. Haynesworth is in, Hall is in, Golston got tendered. We'll see about Kendall now that Dockery is on the market, but still, you must know what you're talking about.[/quote]

Nice work.

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[quote=That Guy;530493][B]you seriously think a player is going to be under contract for 6-8 years just for cap purposes?[/B] 5 years means he's free at 30, instead of 32-33 (BIG difference). i think contracts over 6 years were made illegal too, but i'm not sure. I just really don't see him or his agent bending over backwards to help the skins after taking this long to get a deal done. Not to mention adding huge salaries on the end of a deal for ego is worthless to most players, since they want to actually get paid, and backloading our deal just makes our offer less competitive.

I think 5mill is more realistic, unless that option bonus is like, 20mill or something stupid.[/quote]

You were wrong here too. Haynesworth signed for 7.

Re: Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009
 

[quote=Schneed10;530969]I explained in this post here (you're forgiven for not tracing back, it's a huge thread):

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a-14.html#post529995[/URL]

Since writing that post, I've realized how they've done it. By installing option bonuses in the second year of the contract, the Redskins were able to cleverly circumvent the 30% Rule. The option bonus doesn't count as salary, so they don't exceed the 30% inflation limit on base salaries.

So, to that guy's point, why would a player go for that? Trust. Dan Snyder sold them on the idea that while the bonus was technically an option bonus (for cap purposes), he had every intention of paying the player that money.

That's why Haynesworth contract says he'll get $32 million in the first [B][U]13[/U][/B] months. Notice they didn't say in the first [B][U]year[/U][/B]. He has a huge option bonus put in for 2010. I'm sure Danny has every intention of picking it up; it is clear the Redskins don't expect a salary cap in 2010.[/quote]

Thanks Schneed, for the followup. I had read the post, but thought both signings were about 10mill more in guaranteed money, which i guess equals the 4mill we gained from the bump up. I just was amazed that they could get both done.
So where does it leave us now? Are we done?

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[quote=Mattyk72;530988]Nice work.[/quote]

TY. And sorry to be an ass about it (someone put a bug up my ass in this thread).

Kudos for running such a good site, and keeping such a good cap accountant around in CC. His stuff makes analyzing the numbers pretty easy.

By the way, your user title is right on. Doesn't matter what the rule is, the Deion Rule, the 30% Rule, whatever. Every year the Redskins swarm a pack of contract lawyers on those sections of the CBA, and every year they find a way to circumvent the cap. This year it was done in the form of option bonuses (see Samuels and Haynesworth). Cash is king, the cap is flimsy.

It's a big reason why I'm not so concerned about a capless NFL. We're already operating around the cap's obstacles anyway. Doing away with it just makes it easier on the front office. Either way, we still get our guys.

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[quote=Schneed10;530971]Wow Schneed, that was a pretty good prediction so far. Haynesworth is in, Hall is in, Golston got tendered. We'll see about Kendall now that Dockery is on the market, but still, you must know what you're talking about.[/quote]

Since we Franchised SmootSmack, is Schneed a UFA, or is he locked up as well??

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;531002]Thanks Schneed, for the followup. I had read the post, but thought both signings were about 10mill more in guaranteed money, which i guess equals the 4mill we gained from the bump up. I just was amazed that they could get both done.
So where does it leave us now? Are we done?[/quote]

I haven't seen full details on Hall and Haynesworth yet. But I think my/CC's numbers are at least in the ballpark. Which means the cap space is now pretty tight. I think we have room for one more guy. I think that guy will be Dockery, as long as he's amenable to coming home for less cash in the same manner Smoot did. We'll see.

It's definitely fair to say that the lion's share of the free agent work is finished.

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[quote=Schneed10;531003]TY. And sorry to be an ass about it (someone put a bug up my ass in this thread).

Kudos for running such a good site, and keeping such a good cap accountant around in CC. His stuff makes analyzing the numbers pretty easy.

By the way, your user title is right on. Doesn't matter what the rule is, the Deion Rule, the 30% Rule, whatever. Every year the Redskins swarm a pack of contract lawyers on those sections of the CBA, and every year they find a way to circumvent the cap. This year it was done in the form of option bonuses (see Samuels and Haynesworth). Cash is king, the cap is flimsy.

It's a big reason why I'm not so concerned about a capless NFL. We're already operating around the cap's obstacles anyway. Doing away with it just makes it easier on the front office. Either way, we still get our guys.[/quote]

You and CC do a nice job here at breaking down the cap. I don't even try to sound like an expert, you guys have that situation covered so well.

On NFL radio this morning when they were talking about the deal Randy Cross kept referring to how much cash FedEx field brings in and for the Skins and cash is what enables them to make these types of moves. It was kind of nice to hear someone who actually understands what the Skins are doing and doesn't just throw out the tired phrases of "does the cap not apply to the Skins?".

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;531005]Since we Franchised SmootSmack, is Schneed a UFA, or is he locked up as well??[/quote]

I gotta spread some love to SS, too. When I draw up the numbers I take into account his inside info, JLC's reporting, and CC's cap numbers. Put it all together and you get the Redskins' intentions wrapped up in a neat little package.

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[quote=Schneed10;530969]I explained in this post here (you're forgiven for not tracing back, it's a huge thread):

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a-14.html#post529995[/URL]

Since writing that post, I've realized how they've done it. By installing option bonuses in the second year of the contract, the Redskins were able to cleverly circumvent the 30% Rule. The option bonus doesn't count as salary, so they don't exceed the 30% inflation limit on base salaries.

So, to that guy's point, why would a player go for that? Trust. Dan Snyder sold them on the idea that while the bonus was technically an option bonus (for cap purposes), he had every intention of paying the player that money.

That's why Haynesworth contract says he'll get $32 million in the first [B][U]13[/U][/B] months. Notice they didn't say in the first [B][U]year[/U][/B]. He has a huge option bonus put in for 2010. [B]I'm sure Danny has every intention of picking it up; it is clear the Redskins don't expect a salary cap in 2010.[/B][/quote]Suppose that the labor situation gets resolved and there is a cap in 2010? Does the structure of this deal cast us directly to "Cap Hell", assuming we want to retain Haynesworth???

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[quote=Schneed10;530996]You were wrong here too. Haynesworth signed for 7.[/quote]

this was about the hall deal, which was 6 years not 7, unless you think haynesworth is going to be 32 in 6 years.

seriously, what's the deal?

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[quote=SouperMeister;531020]Suppose that the labor situation gets resolved and there is a cap in 2010? Does the structure of this deal cast us directly to "Cap Hell", assuming we want to retain Haynesworth???[/quote]

Not necessarily, because at that point the 30% Rule would be gone, meaning there would be no restrictions on base salary inflation rates. Danny would just renegotiate that option bonus into a signing bonus, prorating it over the life of the contract.

Some might cry, "the economy, the economy!" Some think the economy will have a negative impact on the growth of the salary cap limit. But we saw this year that the cap came in at $127 million, $4 million more than the projected $123. While merchandise sales are suffering, TV demand and ticket demand remains high, fueling revenue growth. Recession, depression, whatever. The NFL business model remains strong. Just look how rabid we all are for the latest NFL info.

As long as the cap continues to go up, Danny would continue to restructure contracts in a capped environment. Cash over cap, that's the bottom line. As long as Danny has the money, he'll find a way.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;531005]Since we Franchised SmootSmack, is Schneed a UFA, or is he locked up as well??[/quote]

The biggest concern with Schneed is he's not really a "locker room" guy. In addition, he's pretty much just a younger, less canadian version of CC. While losing him would have an effect, it might be addition by subtraction. So long as Canuck is around (I think we have him under contract until 2050) we should be fine. Besides, we have plenty of talent to step into any void created - GTripp, GMscud, That Guy, Zach Mills.

AND, even if he leaves, he'll be back a' la Smoot and Dockery.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;531074]The biggest concern with Schneed is he's not really a "locker room" guy. In addition, he's pretty much just a younger, less canadian version of CC. While losing him would have an effect, it might be addition by subtraction. So long as Canuck is around (I think we have him under contract until 2050) we should be fine. Besides, we have plenty of talent to step into any void created - GTripp, GMscud, That Guy, Zach Mills.

AND, even if he leaves, he'll be back a' la Smoot and Dockery.[/quote]

:rofl:

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[quote=JoeRedskin;531074]The biggest concern with Schneed is he's not really a "locker room" guy. In addition, he's pretty much just a younger, less canadian version of CC. While losing him would have an effect, it might be addition by subtraction. So long as Canuck is around (I think we have him under contract until 2050) we should be fine. Besides, we have plenty of talent to step into any void created - GTripp, GMscud, That Guy, Zach Mills.

AND, even if he leaves, he'll be back a' la Smoot and Dockery.[/quote]

LOL!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;531074][B]The biggest concern with Schneed is he's not really a "locker room" guy.[/B] In addition, he's pretty much just a younger, less canadian version of CC. While losing him would have an effect, it might be addition by subtraction. So long as Canuck is around (I think we have him under contract until 2050) we should be fine. Besides, we have plenty of talent to step into any void created - GTripp, GMscud, That Guy, Zach Mills.

AND, even if he leaves, he'll be back a' la Smoot and Dockery.[/quote]

Yeah there are some chemistry issues at times but the dude is a baller overall.

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[quote=Mattyk72;531224]Yeah there are some chemistry issues at times but the dude is a baller overall.[/quote]

I am the asshole in here, aren't I.

When I put my mind to it I can curtail that. I'll do better, nobody likes the asshole. So That Guy, sorry for coming at you in this thread. It's never good to squash discussion and I kinda did that.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;531074]The biggest concern with Schneed is he's not really a "locker room" guy. In addition, he's pretty much just a younger, less canadian version of CC. While losing him would have an effect, it might be addition by subtraction. So long as Canuck is around (I think we have him under contract until 2050) we should be fine. Besides, we have plenty of talent to step into any void created - GTripp, GMscud, That Guy, Zach Mills.

AND, even if he leaves, he'll be back a' la Smoot and Dockery.[/quote]

Can't really argue with his on the field credentials. He's no TO, he just exudes confidence like any other baller. He's pushing 30 though. He may have to restructure if he wants to stick around. I know I had to last August.

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[quote=Schneed10;531229]I am the asshole in here, aren't I.

When I put my mind to it I can curtail that. I'll do better, nobody likes the asshole. So That Guy, sorry for coming at you in this thread. It's never good to squash discussion and I kinda did that.[/quote]

Will we be seeing you doing sit-ups in your driveway anytime soon?

When asked to comment on Matty's three-typo post during the Redskins vs. Rams Game Thread, Schneed wiped away the tears behind his Oakley shades and replied "that's my teammate...that's my site administrator"