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[quote=Ruhskins;541387]I think this is going to beat out the "Jason Campbell for Chris Simms" as the dumbest trade proposal posted on this site.[/quote]
Charles Casserly among others said it is going to take a minimum of two number one picks to get Cutler.

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[quote=t.o.killa;541383]i would like to see us give our first and third this year and our first next year, along with campbell.[/quote]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=GMScud;541369]JLC weighs in - apparently we're looking to move JC to another team for a 2nd rounder to acquire more picks to send to Denver. If true it would confirm SmootSmack's suspicion of a 3 team deal.

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html"]Redskins Insider - Redskins Trying to Land Cutler[/URL][/quote]


That is sort of funny!!!! Remember the profootballtalk story from the bleacherreport? That talked about a 3 team trade either with Cleveland or KC. KC could use JC for sure. I think JC would thrive in the AFC. The Jets, Lions, etc would love to get JC.

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God the suspense is killing me

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Lets remember the Redskins gave two number one pick for Campbell, who was not in the probowl and had proven nothing in the nfl.

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[quote=GTripp0012;541385]We also have a fourth and fifth that we should give.[/quote]

:laughing2 Maybe we should give them half our revenue too!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;541394]God the suspense is killing me[/quote]One thing that there's no suspense on is that we're going to end this day way worse off then we started it, whether anything happens or not.

The only question is "how low can we go?"

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[quote=GTripp0012;541397]One thing that there's no suspense on is that we're going to end this day way worse off then we started it, whether anything happens or not.

The only question is "how low can we go?"[/quote]

Our first, third, first next year and JC is the ceiling or in this case the basement.

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The night before FA opened, I wondered if something would happen. I woke up, turned on Mike and Mike wondering where AH went. Yes I was thrilled to hear he was coming here.

Now, tonight, I go to bed PRAYING that tomorrow morning Mike and Mike are discussing the Final 4, Stallworth, Moats officer story, ANYTHING but a Headline involving the Redskins. Please make this story go away!!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;541397]One thing that there's no suspense on is that we're going to end this day way worse off then we started it, whether anything happens or not.

The only question is "how low can we go?"[/quote]My buddy jokingly said this in an email this morning: [I]Denver would get all of our draft picks for the next 300 years, laron landry, andre carter, gizmo, and the rights to sean taylor's memory. [/I]

At this point I wouldn't be all that surprised.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;541395]Lets remember the Redskins gave two number one pick for Campbell, who was not in the probowl and had proven nothing in the nfl.[/quote]

Incorrect. They traded their 06 1st rounder & a 3rd rounder for Denver's 05 1st rounder. The net loss was only a 3rd round pick. Best move of Joe Gibbs II IMO.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;541399]The night before FA opened, I wondered if something would happen. I woke up, turned on Mike and Mike wondering where AH went. Yes I was thrilled to hear he was coming here.

Now, tonight, I go to bed PRAYING that tomorrow morning Mike and Mike are discussing the Final 4, Stallworth, Moats officer story, ANYTHING but a Headline involving the Redskins. Please make this story go away!!![/quote]

Or better yet, Detroit, Tampa or the Jets just completed a trade for "Crybaby Cutler". I love the Redskins but DAMN they can test your loyalty sometimes.

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all the peeps that think we are actually going to trade for Cutler need to take a break. Ain't gonna happen. Take a look at your calendar.

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I'm trying to think, given the speculation from JLC, that we're trying to get a 2nd for Campbell so that we could give up even more for Cutler than anyone else would -- because remember, if they don't want Campbell to be part of the deal, we have to outbid a bunch of teams who don't trade away their draft picks -- if Cutler was say, Peyton Manning, or someone who would actually be a big upgrade on Campbell, would we even be getting fair value for all those picks? How much better can a team get by improving a non-issue?

The fact that Cutler isn't special really only proves Snyder doesn't know what he's doing. The impressive think is that he thinks that ANY QB in the NFL makes us an instant SB contender, much less a guy who has NEVER posted a 90.0 QB rating.

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[quote=beau_str;541403]all the peeps that think we are actually going to trade for Cutler need to take a break. Ain't gonna happen. Take a look at your calendar.[/quote]

One can only hope.

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[quote=freddyg12;541401]Incorrect. They traded their 06 1st rounder & a 3rd rounder for Denver's 05 1st rounder. The net loss was only a 3rd round pick. Best move of Joe Gibbs II IMO.[/quote]
That is not what I remember. They swaped first round picks in 2005 and got our first round draft choice in 2006. net loss was at least a first rounder

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[quote=GTripp0012;541404]I'm trying to think, given the speculation from JLC, that we're trying to get a 2nd for Campbell so that we could give up even more for Cutler than anyone else would -- because remember, if they don't want Campbell to be part of the deal, we have to outbid a bunch of teams who don't trade away their draft picks -- if Cutler was say, Peyton Manning, or someone who would actually be a big upgrade on Campbell, would we even be getting fair value for all those picks? How much better can a team get by improving a non-issue?

The fact that Cutler isn't special really only proves Snyder doesn't know what he's doing. The impressive think is that he thinks that ANY QB in the NFL makes us an instant SB contender, much less a guy who has NEVER posted a 90.0 QB rating.[/quote]
JLC has no clue what is going on. maybe a bit of a clue. but most agree he gets most of his reports wrong. i ain't buying his "insider" reports. just an excuse to check out some redskins info. for me.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;541400]My buddy jokingly said this in an email this morning: [I]Denver would get all of our draft picks for the next 300 years, laron landry, andre carter, gizmo, and the rights to sean taylor's memory. [/I]

At this point I wouldn't be all that surprised.[/quote]

That's so messed yet hilarious at the same time.

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Worse comes to worse we'll still have Colt :D

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and opening day we'll have Jason

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I suppose we could we could trade Carlos Rogers in the Cutler deal, which would be beneficial in performing a bizzare experiment: Can Haynesworth really turn a bunch of hand-picked slapdicks into a top defensive unit?

If yes, then he's probably due a raise.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;541406]That is not what I remember. They swaped first round picks in 2005 and got our first round draft choice in 2006. net loss was at least a first rounder[/quote]Okay, well, you're wrong, because we drafted Carlos Rogers in 2005. But hey, why does that even matter? If you say the net loss was a first round draft pick, why should reality have any baring on that notion?

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[quote][SIZE="3"]"A bunch of trade talk is what got Cutler mad at Denver, that's the reason all that stuff started with him, but I wouldn't do all that. The thing you understand that there's no loyalty in this game, so you just have to work hard. That's all you can do."[/SIZE]

[I]- [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html#more"]Jason Campbell[/URL] after learning of the Cutler trade talks.[/I][/quote]

Let's see Cutler come up with an answer like this, oh wait he didn't. Can someone tell me where are the freaking people that were crying character left and right when the team was looking to sign Hall and Haynesworth?

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[quote=GTripp0012;541412]I suppose we could we could trade Carlos Rogers in the Cutler deal, which would be beneficial in performing a bizzare experiment: Can Haynesworth really turn a bunch of hand-picked slapdicks into a top defensive unit?

If yes, then he's probably due a raise.[/quote]

HAI G-Tripp-san. It is tradition in Redskin-Bronco deals to exchange a top flight corner and a draft pick for a Denver backfield player.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;541415]HAI G-Tripp-san. It is tradition in Redskin-Bronco deals to exchange a top flight corner and a draft pick for a Denver backfield player.[/quote]April fools. I knew that. That was the prank, where I pointed out something and ... damn it.

At this point, I either want nothing to come of these rumors, or I want the deal to be really, really lopsided in some third teams favor so I can adopt them next year while Cutler realizes being the Redskins QB is the worst job in the NFL.

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[quote=GTripp0012;541416]April fools. I knew that. That was the prank, where I pointed out something and ... damn it.

At this point, I either want nothing to come of these rumors, or I want the deal to be really, really lopsided in some third teams favor so I can adopt them next year while [B]Cutler realizes being the Redskins QB is the worst job in the NFL.[/B][/quote]

Well maybe that's why the Broncos are shipping him over here.

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With ten other teams interested in Cutler, the price will be steep. If this goes down, we'd better have plans in place for line protection. At least we're not over-paying for creaky knees like Bruce Davis and Deion...

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[quote=Ruhskins;541417]Well maybe that's why the Broncos are shipping him over here.[/quote]The Broncos just need to find a team that helps them make the best out of the situation. A bunch of teams are going to try to benefit at the Broncos expense. Snyder would much rather be the guy who overpays for Jay Cutler and wins 10 games next year than win 10 games next year with Campbell and have to make a decision on him.

And if we can give up a franchise corner in the process, so much the better. I'm really looking forward to Smoot and Hall next year. Cutler should feel right at home.

(Note: I have no information that makes me think Rogers is going to be part of a deal -- only that it makes sense).

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But unfortunately, when Snyder gets these visions in his head, nothing will stop him. Not logic, common sense, and certainly not the Detroit Lions. Can't see much light at the end of the tunnel now, since we don't have the Bengals to bail us out this time. Although, in that situation, at least Vinny was on board.

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[quote=itvnetop;541418]With ten other teams interested in Cutler, the price will be steep. [B] If this goes down, we'd better have plans in place for line protection.[/B] At least we're not over-paying for creaky knees like Bruce Davis and Deion...[/quote]I don't think you've heard: Jay Cutler makes things happen. He makes offensive lines obsolete.

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If this goes down my long standing position in general support of the Dan will be extremely shaken. This is simply not a smart move in my opinion. I fail to see a reasonable way this goes down from this point that makes our team better. I am pretty disappointed right now.

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ESPN writer Bill Williamson who joined ESPN in 2008 after covering the Broncos for 4 years for the Denver Post handicaps the field of possible landing spots for Cutler this way: NYJ 3-1 TB 3-1 Det. 4-1 Chicago 5-1 Cleveland 5-1 Jacksonville 8-1 SF 8-1 Wash 10-1
At this point we don't know what the other teams are willing to offer. Hopefully DS (Dan Snyder or Dip Shit, whichever you prefer) doesn't trade Campbell away before it's a done deal.

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Florio actually makes a good point here - based on how this plays out we may not know anything until draft day. If the Skins are involved and Cambpell is going to a team other than Denver, it would seem plausible if not probable that Denver will be getting their QB of the future in the draft. In which case I guess it makes sense that nothing would be announced until draft day.

[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/skins-chasing-cutler/"]ProFootballTalk.com - ‘Skins Chasing Cutler[/URL]

As I said earlier, I think we're gonna need the Jets, Browns, Bucs, or any other interested team to swoop in and save us from ourselves.

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[quote=GMScud;541369]JLC weighs in - apparently we're looking to move JC to another team for a 2nd rounder to acquire more picks to send to Denver. If true it would confirm SmootSmack's suspicion of a 3 team deal.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins Trying to Land Cutler[/url][/quote]

Wow...just wow. I think the FO has already bungled this thing, maybe beyond repair as far as JC's future in Washington is concerned. I mean the difference between us and NY Jets/Tampa Bucs is we have a guy set to be the starting QB...much more complicated. Those teams can pursue w/o necessarily throwing a current member of the franchise under the bus.

...personally I think this is so unfair to JC and if the FO is stupid enough to blow up the offense again i hope Campbell has tremendous success wherever he lands. I'll never support Cutler here seeing how he's handled himself...ever.

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[quote=53Fan;541424]ESPN writer Bill Williamson who joined ESPN in 2008 after covering the Broncos for 4 years for the Denver Post handicaps the field of possible landing spots for Cutler this way: NYJ 3-1 TB 3-1 Det. 4-1 Chicago 5-1 Cleveland 5-1 Jacksonville 8-1 SF 8-1 Wash 10-1
At this point we don't know what the other teams are willing to offer. Hopefully DS doesn't trade Campbell away before it's a done deal.[/quote]Right, because you can look at it from a 3rd party perspective and say "Cutler makes more sense for every team involved than the Redskins", which is quite true. It doesn't make sense to bring him here because it doesn't change anything about our talent on offense. Jay Cutler's fantasy value dies, but that's about it.

The problem with the odds is that Snyder will simply try to beat the best offer before the market gets set. And he may end up having to release Campbell because of it, because this deal might go down before he can find anybody who will take on a QB that he is willing to throw under the bus.

It's criminal negligence, but he wont get too much crap for it because people buy the Cutler aura. Sure, like most other moves, it will look terrible come the season, but by that point, it will just look like the status quo here.

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Just say NOOOOOOOOOOO to Jay Cutler. He is overated and will cost us a future starter with the 13th pick and possibly another future starter with another pick.

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The way I see it the redskins made two previous mistakes that could have gotten the to the superbowl. First Brunnel over Warner and seccond not taking Drew Breese. Taking Cutler is the way to get to the Superbowl.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;541443]The way I see it the redskins made two previous mistakes that could have gotten the to the superbowl. First Brunnel over Warner and seccond not taking Drew Breese. Taking Cutler is the way to get to the Superbowl.[/quote]You see, I always thought the way to getting into the Super Bowl was to qualify for the playoffs and then win some games there. I didn't know that it was as simple as getting Jay Cutler. Denver got soooo close though, I don't know how they are planning on getting back again without Cutler.

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[quote=GTripp0012;541421]I don't think you've heard: Jay Cutler makes things happen. He makes offensive lines obsolete.[/quote]

Please keep the rant going, you're killing me. lol. BTW- couldn't agree more.

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It's getting really difficult to defend this team. In the past, we've been willing to sacrifice depth at critical positions by trading draft picks for players who, while perhaps looking good on paper, couldn't come in and play right guard in late November after injuries had thinned the roster. This willingness to forgo depth in order to bring in older guys, rather than merely the signing of free agents, has been the problem. This year, although many were quick to describe our free agency binge as certain to yield predictable results, I argued that coupled with a renewed focus on the draft, adding key players at positions of need was not the same old Redskins.

If this goes down, and that's a big if, this is worse than the same old Skins. Worse than Deion Sanders, worse than anything. Nothing against Cutler, who appears to be a genuine talent, but this team has needs he can't fix. Last year through 8 games, Jason Campbell was being discussed as a potential MVP candidate. When the offense line predictably fell apart with injuries, the entire execution of the offense unraveled. It appeared to be clear to even the most casual NFL fan: fix the offensive line and then you'll see what you have at QB.

In trading for Cutler, we are postponing our ability to fix and replenish the line through the draft so far into the future that you have to wonder if it can ever actually happen with this team. More importantly, we are signaling to anyone paying attention that through 12 years of bumbling front-office ineptitude, we have not learned a single thing. In bailing on the QB he drafted and groomed, I think the Skins are saying all that needs to be said about the stability that Joe Gibbs brought back here.