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Can we all at least agree that Lil' Danny's line about "learning patience from Coach Gibbs" is complete nonsense now?

They had to know that this was really a huge gamble. If the trade didn't go through you have to come crawling back -- is this something Gibbs would have done? I don't think so.

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Who are they crawling back too? This is not the Senior Prom Dan didn't ask Sexy Sally out and now has to go back to Plain Jane and see if she will go cause Sexy Sally said no.

IF you are a NFL player you need to look at yur body of work regardless where you are playing. Campbell is building a career he wants to do well this year regardless of the color of his uniform. You think Campbell is going to stink it up as a way to throw Danny under the bus? No way he is not going to ruin his career over Danny.

This is professional sports they are palying for money not team pride.

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[quote=mredskins;542662]Who are they crawling back too? This is not the Senior Prom Dan didn't ask Sexy Sally out and now has to go back to Plain Jane and see if she will go cause Sexy Sally said no.

IF you are a NFL player you need to look at yur body of work regardless where you are playing. Campbell is building a career he wants to do well this year regardless of the color of his uniform. You think Campbell is going to stink it up as a way to throw Danny under the bus? No way he is not going to ruin his career over Danny.

This is professional sports they are palying for money not team pride.[/quote]

Yeah I agree. I don't see this being a long term issue at all. JC seems well equiped to handle this and he's shown nothing but class through all of it. I anticipate he will come to Redskins Park and work his butt off to get ready for this season, if anything this will motivate him even more.

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[quote=GMScud;542585][B]It's not testing the market that bothers me. It's the way we handle it. Apparently there were about a dozen other teams "testing the market" for Cutler's services. Did any of them have a "GM" or HC come out and say their current starter was the guy, there was no interest in Cutler, and then backtrack a week later?[/B][/quote]

Every team has different situations. I think the Skins were really the only team in the running that already had a young QB that was perceived as being the long term answer by most experts. And up until a few days ago, Cutler wasn't officially on the market. So at the time the Skins technically weren't pursuing Cutler so why would they say anything different?

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[quote=KingRaloIV;542647]I hope all you fairweather, flaky, cowboy loving, Jason Campbell(solid NFL QB) bashing/hating, so called competative football fans feel stupid. Listening to Espn sportcenter jerks and idiots gets you know where! This should be a lesson to you. Watch and love Redskin football and don't jump on every reality show, soap opera you see on TV. There is enough groupies in the world! Redskins aren't drama groupies! We are pro football minds and men like Jason Campbell! I hope all you Jay Cutler groupies jump on the Bears bandwagon and eat a fat one![/quote]

I hope you feel stupid too then

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/542171-post676.html[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;542666]I hope you feel stupid too then

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/542171-post676.html[/url][/quote]

SS, you're killing me. lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;542666]I hope you feel stupid too then

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/542171-post676.html[/URL][/quote]

Talk about a flip flop

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;542448]thank goodness for the bears.

any idea what our final offer was? I have a feeling we came within a few minutes of securing cutler[/quote]

According to Peter King our offer really wasn't the issue, McDaniels simply preferred Orton to run his offense so once that was decided other offers really didn't matter.

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Can we now trade Campbell for julius peppers?? I mean he knows that he's not wanted, and we don't have a DE opposite carter and wynn and daniels are not the answer ...bring in Brennan

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I think I mentioned a while back that the Broncos never really wanted Campbell

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[quote=Mattyk72;542673]According to Peter King our offer really wasn't the issue, McDaniels simply preferred Orton to run his offense so once that was decided other offers really didn't matter.[/quote]

Orton better then Campbell, ok if he says so. At least McDaniels saved us from shooting ourselves in the foot.

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[quote=Mattyk72;542663]Yeah I agree. I don't see this being a long term issue at all. JC seems well equiped to handle this and he's shown nothing but class through all of it. I anticipate he will come to Redskins Park and work his butt off to get ready for this season, if anything this will motivate him even more.[/quote]

I still remember (admittedly vaguely) when Gibbs went 0-5, he responded by going to JoeyT and those two got on the same page, and had a great run. My hope would be that Jim Zorn's response and affirmation to Campbell could have the same effect, and we see these two guys running an offense that is in sync out of the gates.

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[quote=mredskins;542676]Orton better then Campbell, ok if he says so. At least McDaniels saved us from shooting ourselves in the foot.[/quote]

It's all about what someone values. McDaniels thinks Orton is a better fit for his offense, he may not necessarily think Orton is a better overall player, just a better fit. Remember what started all of this was McDaniels wanting Cassell. Again, a better fit than Cutler, not necessarily the better player.

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[quote=Beemnseven;542660][b]Can we all at least agree that Lil' Danny's line about "learning patience from Coach Gibbs" is complete nonsense now?[/b]

They had to know that this was really a huge gamble. If the trade didn't go through you have to come crawling back -- is this something Gibbs would have done? I don't think so.[/quote]
I don't really know where that came from anyways. During the Gibbs years we had more turnover of the roster and acquisition misses (Brunell, Archuleta, Lloyd to name a few) than we did since 2000. I've said before and will say again, the Gibbs 2.0 era set our franchise back 8-10 years (the 4 years he was here and the 4 it will take to revise our roster) and we're still trying to recover from it.

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I wish we could some how collect all the post after say the Eagles victory last season. Man people were loving JC. I think he can still do it, it is really going to come down to the OL and the development of our young WR. Cutler would have had the same struggles here regardless.

A QB is not like a pitcher in baseball, there are many more moving parts that are out of his control as compared to a pitcher. That is why comparing the win/ loss column with QB's is a joke.

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[quote=Mattyk72;542678]It's all about what someone values. McDaniels thinks Orton is a better fit for his offense, he may not necessarily think Orton is a better overall player, just a better fit. Remember what started all of this was McDaniels wanting Cassell. Again, a better fit than Cutler, not necessarily the better player.[/quote]


I hear you!

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[quote=Nflnick11;542674]Can we now trade Campbell for julius peppers?? I mean he knows that he's not wanted, and we don't have a DE opposite carter and wynn and daniels are not the answer ...bring in Brennan[/quote]

2 seemingly obvious points. Carter (RDE) and Wynn/Daniels (LDE) do play opposite each other. If you want to see Brennan, buy some DVDs of him playing at Hawaii. He's nowhere near ready to play QB at the NFL level against starters over 16 games. If he has a great, lights out camp then he maybe, MAYBE, will beat out Collins for the #2 QB spot. Nowhere else is the 3rd string QB a fanbase legend. We're comical.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;542677]I still remember (admittedly vaguely) when Gibbs went 0-5, he responded by going to JoeyT and those two got on the same page, and had a great run. My hope would be that Jim Zorn's response and affirmation to Campbell could have the same effect, and we see these two guys running an offense that is in sync out of the gates.[/quote]

That's my hope also, that the two of them hear all that's being written and said about them (Zorn is just a placeholder for Shanahan/Cowher/Gruden/Holmgren & the past 2 weeks for JC) and just basically say 'f*** it, let's show them.'

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[quote=Today's Washington Post]Campbell, Zorn, Cerrato and Snyder are expected to meet soon in an attempt to continue the healing process, sources close to Campbell said, with the team at some point planning to issue a statement of confidence in its former first-round draft pick, possibly as early as today[/quote] [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/02/AR2009040204148.html?sid=ST2009040204271]washingtonpost.com[/url]

I truly hope that Campbell goes into that meeting and tells Snyderatto that the one way they can reassure him is with a 3 year extension. Either way, I hope he's going to go out and prove that he's a franchise QB and he will get his due at the end of the year.

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Yep, Both are competitors, and I doubt very much self-doubt creeps in. If they both buy in to the other's abilities then that should be huge.

One question, and I wonder if we will ever get this answered truthfully. Vinny has always said the FO runs with the 3 big dogs coming to a group solution. We assume Danny wanted Cutler, we also assume Zorn was content with (and possibly actively campaigned for) Campbell. But does anyone know how vocal Vinnie was in these discussions?
In other words, did the 3-headed solution actually work the way it claims, and Danny backed away from his desire by listening to his football people, or did we just get turned away at the gate of Denver?

I suppose this goes to whether another team saved us from ourselves or whether our FO showed it is capable of following its own rules.

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[quote=Paintrain;542685][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/02/AR2009040204148.html?sid=ST2009040204271"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

[B]I truly hope that Campbell goes into that meeting and tells Snyderatto that the one way they can reassure him is with a 3 year extension[/B]. Either way, I hope he's going to go out and prove that he's a franchise QB and he will get his due at the end of the year.[/quote]

I don't see him doing that. He's not a guy to rock the boat even in a situation like this where it might be understandable to do so.

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[quote=Mattyk72;542689]I don't see him doing that. He's not a guy to rock the boat even in a situation like this where it might be understandable to do so.[/quote]
Well I wasn't saying it in a Cutler-esque way, more so saying 'I'd like the reassurance of your commitment to me long term.' Sometimes you already know the answer but at least you have to ask the question. Not to rock the boat, just to let them know you're not a shrinking violet either.

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From all of this it just re-establishes the fact that Zorn is DS's and VC's puppet coach. Zorn's opinion doesn't matter too much in all of this and that's bad when your football coach doesn't have much say in things....especially when it's the QB involved.

It makes me root for JC even more if that's possible. DS and VC will never learn.

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The Broncos are stupid. They passed up Jason Campbell for Kyle Orton. WTF! Kyle Orton blows.

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[quote=redsk1;542692]From all of this it just re-establishes the fact that Zorn is DS's and VC's puppet coach. Zorn's opinion doesn't matter too much in all of this and that's bad when your football coach doesn't have much say in things....especially when it's the QB involved.

It makes me root for JC even more if that's possible. DS and VC will never learn.[/quote]

Or maybe they just think that Zorn's offense is flawed. Why build a team around a coach that runs a flawed offense? Why build a team around a coach that can't protect his quarterback from an outside blitz? Why build a team around a coach that doesn't know how to run the football with Sellers, Betts, and Portis? Maybe they realized that they just really screwed up hiring this coach in the first place? Maybe they are painstakingly giving him one more year, but they know that they're in for a long season?

I'm just saying............Maybe?

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[quote=Miller101;542699]Or maybe they just think that Zorn's offense is flawed. Why build a team around a coach that runs a flawed offense? Why build a team around a coach that can't protect his quarterback from an outside blitz? Why build a team around a coach that doesn't know how to run the football with Sellers, Betts, and Portis? Maybe they realized that they just really screwed up hiring this coach in the first place? Maybe they are painstakingly giving him one more year, but they know that they're in for a long season?

I'm just saying............Maybe?[/quote]

That's a lot of maybes.

I think often times the most simple answer is the most logical one.

The powers that be saw Cutler to be an upgrade over Campbell.

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Two questions:

1) Do we root against Cutler now, naturally hoping for him to fail? Seems like this would validate those of us who said to stick with Campbell.

2) If you are Campbell (and assuming you perform exceptionally this year), do you hold it against the team when it comes time to re-sign? You know really make them pay for lack of initial confidence?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;542688]Yep, Both are competitors, and I doubt very much self-doubt creeps in. If they both buy in to the other's abilities then that should be huge.

One question, and I wonder if we will ever get this answered truthfully. Vinny has always said the FO runs with the 3 big dogs coming to a group solution. We assume Danny wanted Cutler, we also assume Zorn was content with (and possibly actively campaigned for) Campbell. But does anyone know how vocal Vinnie was in these discussions?
In other words, did the 3-headed solution actually work the way it claims, and Danny backed away from his desire by listening to his football people, or did we just get turned away at the gate of Denver?

I suppose this goes to whether another team saved us from ourselves or whether our FO showed it is capable of following its own rules.[/quote]

I think the FO took themselves out of the running when the Bears upped the price to a player, two 1st rounders and a 3rd. The rumors only had us willing to offer Campbell and a 1st (too much IMO) or a 1st and a 2nd (via a Campbell trade). The Bears were just willing to give away a Ricky Williams type price to get their hometown guy. I am one of the obvo=ious few who think that the FO explored the trade option (any reputable franchise with a question mark at QB would) then backed out when the price became too steep. I applaud the FO's decision to do so. Let's be honest, if Danny really wanted him, he would have matched the Bears offer...and then some!

PS- Draft Maualuga

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Am I missing something or was the talk about the Skins going after Cutler just a rumor and is there a link that shows for FACT the Skins wanted him. We all know if Snyder wants his man he gets him so what evidence is their we wanted Cutler.

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[quote=Stacks42;542242]Great! I hope all this crap didn't damage Campbell psyche. Go out and show them you are worth an extension![/quote]

This could be a rallying call for Zorn and Campbell. It reminds me of the scene in Major League when the team finds out they were assembled just so the owner could move the team after a sh*tty season.

Zorn will tell Campbell that Cutler was the first step in a two step process to get Shanahan here next year and that they're in it together. Us vs. Them!

Campbell - "Well what do we do know?"
Zorn - "Win the whole fu*#ing thing"

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Hahah, that's a good Major League Connection. I'm just picturing if dan snyder and rachel phelps combined into some sort of super douche owner...

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thanks now we can move forward ......

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[quote=firstdown;542713]Am I missing something or was the talk about the Skins going after Cutler just a rumor and is there a link that shows for FACT the Skins wanted him. We all know if Snyder wants his man he gets him so what evidence is their we wanted Cutler.[/quote]

It's pretty well established it was much more than just a rumor. Most of the league guys in the know like Peter King, John Clayton, etc. have confirmed that it was basically the Skins, Bucs, and Bears in serious running for Cutler.

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[quote=Mattyk72;542673]According to Peter King our offer really wasn't the issue, McDaniels simply preferred Orton to run his offense so once that was decided other offers really didn't matter.[/quote]

Interesting. How should that make us feel about Campbell?

Josh McDaniels, who coached Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, thinks Orton is a better QB than Campbell.

The Skins called around, and no one would even give us a 2nd rounder for Campbell. Matt Schuabb was worth two 2nd rounders, for goodness sakes!

If professionals (owners, coaches, and GMs) who dont wear B&G glasses dont view Campbell as being better than Kyle Orton or worth a 2nd rounder, that tells us alot about the kind of QB we have.

That said, Campbell has displayed alot of class in all this. The unreasonable part of me is hoping he lights it up this year and tells Snyder to screw off when they try to sign him to an extension next year.

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Orton may not even start over Chris Simms

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;542724]Interesting. How should that make us feel about Campbell?

Josh McDaniels, who coached Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, thinks Orton is a better QB than Campbell.

The Skins called around, and no one would even give us a 2nd rounder for Campbell. Matt Schuabb was worth two 2nd rounders, for goodness sakes!

If professionals (owners, coaches, and GMs) who dont wear B&G glasses dont view Campbell as being better than Kyle Orton or worth a 2nd rounder, that tells us alot about the kind of QB we have.

That said, Campbell has displayed alot of class in all this. The unreasonable part of me is hoping he lights it up this year and tells Snyder to screw off when they try to sign him to an extension next year.[/quote]

I guess McDaniels also thinks Orton is better than Cutler using that logic.

I think it's just a matter of him thinking Orton is a better fit for his offense.

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If JC’s latest quotes are accurate, he speaks of his trust in Zorn on several occasions. What struck me the most was that he never mentioned Snyder or Ceratto in a sentence containing the word “trust” or “honest[y]” or people that “mattered” to him. I believe ownership and management have a major bridge to repair in regaining the respect and TRUST of JC.

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[quote=SmootSmack;542725]Orton may not even start over Chris Simms[/quote]

Yeah good point. If I had to bet I would give the slight edge to Orton though.

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I wonder if Synder left a gallon of vanilla ice cream outside of Campbells locker this morning.

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[quote=KingRaloIV;542647]I hope all you fairweather, flaky, cowboy loving, Jason Campbell(solid NFL QB) bashing/hating, so called competative football fans feel stupid. Listening to Espn sportcenter jerks and idiots gets you know where! This should be a lesson to you. Watch and love Redskin football and don't jump on every reality show, soap opera you see on TV. There is enough groupies in the world! Redskins aren't drama groupies! We are pro football minds and men like Jason Campbell! I hope all you Jay Cutler groupies jump on the Bears bandwagon and eat a fat one![/quote]

YEAH!! And while we're at it, you guys better apologize for everything that you've ever even thought about Lavar, Deion, Bruce, etc!!! EFFIN COWBOYS FANS!