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[quote=Mattyk72;561982]Looking pretty good for 385

[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/williamssteinberg2.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

im probably the build of the other guy. M Williams arms are probably larger than my torso...

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Williams injured his knee a bit today...it sounds like he just fell down. We'll see how this goes.

-- WILLIAMS INJURED

Mike Williams suffered what appeared to be a knee injury during Monday’s OTA practice.

“He went to the ground one time on a block and jammed his knee into the ground,” Jim Zorn said. “It was just sore.”

Williams has been seeing increased action during OTAs as he continues to reduce his weight to under 380 pounds.

Added Zorn: “It was a lot of beef to put on the ground so suddenly. We just took him off the field. I think he’s going to be fine.”

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I have been waiting for an update on Williams knee and have heard nothing. Anyone have an update

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[quote=T.O.Killa;562380]I have been waiting for an update on Williams knee and have heard nothing. Anyone have an update[/quote]

Probably nothing to worry about...Zorn pretty much said so at the time.

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[quote=The Goat;562381]Probably nothing to worry about...Zorn pretty much said so at the time.[/quote]

Matt Terl's blog today mentions that Mike Williams has a pulled quad muscle, according to Zorn.

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2009/06/11/on-the-field-for-the-last-day-of-otas/#continued]On The Field For The Last Day Of OTAs[/url]

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Seems to me that we are expecting Mike Williams to make the team as a backup OT, which, seems like a plan that we would end up regretting. But ultimately, it freed us up to get rid of Jansen.

Jon Jansen, drafted in '99 - 7 quality NFL seasons
Mike Williams, drafted in '02 - 0 quality NFL seasons

Goin with the young guy!

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The blogger at Redskins.com says that Mike Williams now weighs in at 365!

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/]Redskins Blog -- The Official Blog of the Washington Redskins[/url]

His playing weight before he took time off from football was 370-375.

If he can get down to 350-55 he really might be able to play!

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[quote=wilsowilso;563764]The blogger at Redskins.com says that Mike Williams now weighs in at 365!

[URL="http://blog.redskins.com/"]Redskins Blog -- The Official Blog of the Washington Redskins[/URL]

His playing weight before he took time off from football was 370-375.

If he can get down to 350-55 he really might be able to play![/quote]

I personally think this is a great sign. There is no doubt whether he has the talent to play in the league. I think the criticism was whether he would make the commitment needed to succeed. Obviously, he has made a commitment to lose enough weight to be able to compete.

Maybe through desperation we found a gem!

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Man that's some serious weight loss. The obvious question now is can the guy play?

I'd love to see him have some sort of comeback player of the year story but I admit I'm still in the doubter camp.

If he can at least be a quality backup and give us some meaningful snaps here and there I'll be happy. Anything beyond that is pure gravy.

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Much agreed Matty, anything positive that he can do for the team would be great.

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[quote=Mattyk72;563797]Man that's some serious weight loss. The obvious question now is can the guy play?

I'd love to see him have some sort of comeback player of the year story but I admit I'm still in the doubter camp.

If he can at least be a quality backup and give us some meaningful snaps here and there I'll be happy. Anything beyond that is pure gravy.[/quote]

Don't say gravy around the big man!

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[quote=wilsowilso;563764]The blogger at Redskins.com says that Mike Williams now weighs in at 365!

[URL="http://blog.redskins.com/"]Redskins Blog -- The Official Blog of the Washington Redskins[/URL]

His playing weight before he took time off from football was 370-375.

If he can get down to 350-55 he really might be able to play![/quote]

He's 10 pounds less right now then his combine weight so I'd say he's ready to play though it would be nice if he lost another 20 (which I think he plans on doing anyway). [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/players/99584.html]CNNSI.com - Mike Williams - -[/url]

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The guy had the talent i just think somewhere along he lost the drive hopefully he's found it for us. If he's able to be a quality backup for us that would be nice.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;563830]The guy had the talent i just think somewhere along he lost the drive hopefully he's found it for us. If he's able to be a quality backup for us that would be nice.[/quote]

And seriously, aren't we, as a fan base FINALLY due for something like this?

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I am kind of suprised that there has not been more national attention payed to this story. It is truely amazing and alot better than another Bret story.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;563832]I am kind of suprised that there has not been more national attention payed to this story. It is truely amazing and alot better than another Bret story.[/quote]

If he plays at all there's sure to be an E:60 or sportscenter story on him.

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Let's watch this guy play a snap before we get too carried away. But yes, the Redskins are due for a guy to come out of nowhere.

It would be nice if that guy was already on our roster. We are also due for another teams star to be a star on the field for us too. There's always hope, but boy am I starting to believe in football karma.

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Yeah, I love the story, but I'm still skeptical about the guy. He sure has the drive - to lose close to 90 lbs over 3-4 months is like losing an entire person! I worry about two things:

1) If you lose that much weight, isn't he losing MUSCLE at the same time? We need him to hold off big DE's and not get tired quickly. Let's see how he does in preseason.

2) One of his problems in the NFL was recurrent back problems. Maybe with less weight now he may be better off, but I hope he doesn't kill his back again through the season.

I'm crossing my fingers but trying not to get my hopes up..

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[quote=ethat001;563842]Yeah, I love the story, but I'm still skeptical about the guy. He sure has the drive - to lose close to 90 lbs over 3-4 months is like losing an entire person! I worry about two things:

1) [B]If you lose that much weight, isn't he losing MUSCLE at the same time?[/B] We need him to hold off big DE's and not get tired quickly. Let's see how he does in preseason.

2) One of his problems in the NFL was recurrent back problems. Maybe with less weight now he may be better off, but I hope he doesn't kill his back again through the season.

I'm crossing my fingers but trying not to get my hopes up..[/quote]

Not at all. While muscle tissue is more dense (thus heavier) than fat, the regimen they have him on no doubt includes plenty of weight training to accompany the cardio and strict diet. He's not starving himself. And from what I read, he's working directly with a nutritionist as well. He's probably eating nothing but lean protein (fish, chicken) and veggies with really simple starches like brown rice and sweet potatoes.

Ever watch Biggest Loser? They build plenty of muscle while shedding those pounds. I really tip my hat to Williams for what he's doing. I'm sure it's tough to learn a new offense, a new team, a new coaching staff, a new town, all while completely transforming his body. It's admirable. He's one of the guys I'm really pulling for.

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Mike Williams is really hungry to return to the NFL. I think it was good for him to be out of football to realize that he missed the game. I understand he had a back injury but did he really workout hard during the off season. How much time did he put into taking care of his body when he was with Buffalo. Hopefully now he knows he has to work hard all year long to play at a high level in the NFL. I'm pulling for him but come backs dont always have a happy ending. Just recently Andre Wadsworth ( former #1 pick of AZ Cards) made a come back with the Jets. He went to camp and didn't make the 53 man roster. Keep working hard Big Mike we need you to push our O-line this season.

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[quote=skins89moss;563882]Mike Williams is really hungry to return to the NFL. I think it was good for him to be out of football to realize that he missed the game. I understand he had a back injury but did he really workout hard during the off season. How much time did he put into taking care of his body when he was with Buffalo. Hopefully now he knows he has to work hard all year long to play at a high level in the NFL. I'm pulling for him but come backs dont always have a happy ending. Just recently Andre Wadsworth ( former #1 pick of AZ Cards) made a come back with the Jets. He went to camp and didn't make the 53 man roster. Keep working hard Big Mike we need you to push our O-line this season.[/quote]

I think he is motivated to prove that he was not a bust. I think, like Leonard Davis who came out of Texas the year before were so dominating in college, they need some motivation to push them to meet a certain level of expectation. That motivation and docks presence will help him, and i think he will be our starting rt this year.

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[quote=GMScud;563858]Not at all. While muscle tissue is more dense (thus heavier) than fat, the regimen they have him on no doubt includes plenty of weight training to accompany the cardio and strict diet. He's not starving himself. And from what I read, he's working directly with a nutritionist as well. He's probably eating nothing but lean protein (fish, chicken) and veggies with really simple starches like brown rice and sweet potatoes.

Ever watch Biggest Loser? They build plenty of muscle while shedding those pounds. I really tip my hat to Williams for what he's doing. I'm sure it's tough to learn a new offense, a new team, a new coaching staff, a new town, all while completely transforming his body. It's admirable. He's one of the guys I'm really pulling for.[/quote]

Just to add to that the ratio is different for someone thats Mike Williams size. While normal people can't loose more then 2 pounds of fat per week a guy thats Williams size can loose 4-6 pounds of fat per week. Of course he probably is loosing SOME muscle in the process but it's not enough at this point to be of any real consequence.

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It would be great to see him live up to expectations , because he was expected to be a pro bowl lineman

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[quote=Eknox;563927]It would be great to see him live up to expectations , because he was expected to be a pro bowl lineman[/quote]

I think to expect a probowl performance out of this guy is a little much. I am happy if he can be a solid back up. Lets not get too ahead of ourselves here.

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[quote=skinsnut;552251]This dude is WAY outta shape...he currently weighs about 410 pounds, according to Zorn. When he last played in the NFL, he was 360 pounds.

This is really bad news...there is no way this guy can drop 50 lbs in 2 months.
It is a shame...to bad he didn't get his lazy butt into shape over the winter.
I really doubt he makes the team[/quote]

I shall now eat my words.
Apparantly he is 365.
Unbelievable.

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[quote=skinsnut;564041]I shall now eat my words.
Apparantly he is 365.
Unbelievable.[/quote]

Yup, he's at 365 lbs. Good to hear this...

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2009/06/19/friday-june-19-mike-williams-actually-is-looking-for-a-chef/]Friday, June 19: Mike Williams Actually Is Looking For A Chef[/url]

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[quote=johno;563976]I think to expect a probowl performance out of this guy is a little much. I am happy if he can be a solid back up. Lets not get too ahead of ourselves here.[/quote]

No screw this not getting ahead of ourselves business. Just once lets enjoy it and go so ahead of ourselves as to say that Mike Williams ends the season as a pro bowl snub.

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I'm real happy with his progress, I always had a good feeling about him from the way he talked.
No longer the largest man in the NFL. Langston Walker listed at 368, although Langston has a couple inches on him.
I wonder if it's like a boxer, whether he can keep the strength (punching power) of a bigger guy after he loses the weight. Definitely one of the guys I'll be following most closely this pre-season, can't wait 2 see him on the field.

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I don't expect MW to start by week 1. Just making the team will be a major accomplishment for a guy that's been out of it & has to work so hard just to get his weight down.

If we're lucky he'll be in top form by mid season, both in terms of his conditioning/weight, and adjustment to the nuances & speed of the game. By then he could be valuable depth if somebody's hurt. I wonder if guard is more realistic for him long-term? They might be playing him at tackle simply so he doesn't have to deal w/the added burden of a learning curve, he's got plenty to overcome w/his weight & time away.

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[quote=freddyg12;564616]I don't expect MW to start by week 1. Just making the team will be a major accomplishment for a guy that's been out of it & has to work so hard just to get his weight down.

If we're lucky he'll be in top form by mid season, both in terms of his conditioning/weight, and adjustment to the nuances & speed of the game. By then he could be valuable depth if somebody's hurt. I wonder if guard is more realistic for him long-term? They might be playing him at tackle simply so he doesn't have to deal w/the added burden of a learning curve, he's got plenty to overcome w/his weight & time away.[/quote]

He's not known for power blocking...more pass blocking...so ideally he'd be a LT not a guard..RT is probably perfect for him since he is far from elite

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[quote]"Williams said he has lost 5 percent of his body fat and [B][U]added muscle by 7 percent[/U][/B], which will not necessarily decrease his weight because muscle is heavier than fat. The operative term is "lean mass," which is the weight of muscle, plus bone density, water, even blood."

[url=http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/28/a-weighty-matter/]For Redskins' Williams, slimming down is a weighty matter - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

That is great news. I can't wait to see him in preseason. At this point I think he's definitely going to play this year. It's just a matter of fitness & keeping healthy..

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[quote=ethat001;565215]That is great news. I can't wait to see him in preseason. At this point I think he's definitely going to play this year. It's just a matter of fitness [B]& keeping healthy[/B]..[/quote]

His inability to do so, as I understand it, is why he hasn't been playing football for the last year or two.

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Any idea how Williams is doing?

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[quote=RedTempleSkin;567363]Any idea how Williams is doing?[/quote]

Last I heard he was down to 365 lbs, but that was a few weeks ago. He said he wanted to get down to 340 lbs. I think he may be in Arizona working out right now.

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the redskins insider brought up the idea of bringing jon runyan as a stop gap measure for rt. any thoughts? is heyer a better option than bringing in runyan for a single year? i feel as though its a no brainer if we are reduced to a mike williams vs. runyan decision.

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[quote=johno;567679]the redskins insider brought up the idea of bringing jon runyan as a stop gap measure for rt. any thoughts? is heyer a better option than bringing in runyan for a single year? i feel as though its a no brainer if we are reduced to a mike williams vs. runyan decision.[/quote]

I almost started a new thread w/that RI post, but figured we have some old 09 free agent threads & nothing is even rumored at this point.

I surely hope they don't feel the need to sign Runyan, or if they did he couldn't make the team. Sadly, he's probably as good or better than our current options at RT.

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[quote=johno;567679]the redskins insider brought up the idea of bringing jon runyan as a stop gap measure for rt. any thoughts? is heyer a better option than bringing in runyan for a single year? i feel as though its a no brainer if we are reduced to a mike williams vs. runyan decision.[/quote]

Aint gunna happen, Runyan is old and is a dirty player.
Remember, we got rid of Jansen....a classy guy that could run block.
I just dont see that happening unless someone gets significantly injured...such as Heyer or Samuals.

if you think Levi Jones would be a decent option, you'd be wrong. Jansen is more solid than that guy. The reality is what is available right now is thin.
We need to live and die with our OT options....I sure hope Fatty Boombalatty turns into a lean mean fighting machine!

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[quote=skinsnut;567771]We need to live and die with our OT options....I sure hope Fatty Boombalatty turns into a lean mean fighting machine![/quote]

fatty boombalatty is quite the nickname, and i sure hope that he is ready to make a difference too.

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Apparently Williams has got under 350 pounds. He is ready to compete for a job. I feel pretty good about our oline now. I always liked Heyer, Williams seems like the real deal and bridges was a solid RT in Carolina.

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mike will help