Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;568695]Check out the link the Ware thread. It highlights the dubious history of the supplemental draft. However, it did also say that [B]Jarmon would've most likely gone in the second round in 2010.[/[/B]QUOTE]

yeah...if he played this year...which he CANT because he is freaking ineligible.
If he sat out a year...he'd probably drop significantly...like a 5th rounder.
I am just not thrilled with using a 3rd rounder on a guy that missed out on all the rookie camp crap....yeah we got him a year early...but that guy better get off his butt and prove why we gave up a roster spot for a benchwarmer.
I want to see this guy kill it on special teams...DAY ONE.
There aint much complicated about running like a bat outta hell to crunch someone with a 40 yard head of steam.
I want this guy to earn his keep and PROVE he is worth a 3rd!
I will have to SEE it to BELIEVE it!

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=skinsnut;568697][QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;568695]Check out the link the Ware thread. It highlights the dubious history of the supplemental draft. However, it did also say that [B]Jarmon would've most likely gone in the second round in 2010.[/[/B]QUOTE]

yeah...if he played this year...which he CANT because he is freaking ineligible.
[B]If he sat out a year...he'd probably drop significantly...like a 5th rounder.[/B]
I am just not thrilled with using a 3rd rounder on a guy that missed out on all the rookie camp crap....yeah we got him a year early...but that guy better get off his butt and prove why we gave up a roster spot for a benchwarmer.
I want to see this guy kill it on special teams...DAY ONE.
There aint much complicated about running like a bat outta hell to crunch someone with a 40 yard head of steam.
I want this guy to earn his keep and PROVE he is worth a 3rd!
I will have to SEE it to BELIEVE it![/quote]

Maybe. We'll never know because if we hadn't taken him now, someone else would have.

Mike Williams from USC missed a collegiate year and still went high in the first round. Sure, he was a bust, but he is a counterpoint to the idea that if you sit out, your draft stock drops.

Besides, if Jarmon had not been drafted supplementally, he would have had months and months to prep for the Combine. Even if he had waited until 2010 to be drafted, he still may have gone high.

But you are correct in your last comment. EVERY draft pick has to prove his worth on the field. Let's hope that all of our rooks do so.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=53Fan;568651]Well it's like someone said, if the Eagles or someone else would have got him, people would be saying how he's probably going to be a great player and why can't we make moves like that.....:blah: Good move by the FO.[/quote]Well, some organizations that aren't the Redskins have earned the benefit of the doubt.

Which is really all this boils down to. There's legitimate doubt about the quality of the player we drafted. There would be doubt no matter who drafted him. The Redskins have earned their reputation to overpay for mediocre talent, like it or not.

The counter-argument to this is that reputation doesn't mean crap in the long run, and that we'll either get good value on this pick or we won't just like any other team. Count me as legitimately skeptical of the pick, but without a strong Devin Thomas-type argument that it shouldn't have been made. Just a bad feeling that we're overhyping a late-round talent.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I'm one of the 96 who voted good move, btw. I'm just lukewarm on it and taking the oppertunity to play devil's advocate.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;568699]Well, some organizations that aren't the Redskins have earned the benefit of the doubt.

Which is really all this boils down to. There's legitimate doubt about the quality of the player we drafted. There would be doubt no matter who drafted him. The Redskins have earned their reputation to overpay for mediocre talent, like it or not.

The counter-argument to this is that reputation doesn't mean crap in the long run, and that we'll either get good value on this pick or we won't just like any other team. Count me as legitimately skeptical of the pick, but without a strong Devin Thomas-type argument that it shouldn't have been made. Just a bad feeling that we're overhyping a late-round talent.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying Tripp. I also had doubts. But the more I think about it, it could turn out to be a good move. Perhaps even a great move. From all reports, even the Eagles were bidding for him. That doesn't neccessarily make me any more sure of his talent, but it does mean that we weren't the only ones who believe he was worth picking. Whether others thought he wasn't worth a higher pick, or were just gambling that they would have the high bid is unknown, but I think it was worth the risk.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=53Fan;568701]I understand what you're saying Tripp. I also had doubts. But the more I think about it, it could turn out to be a good move. Perhaps even a great move. From all reports, even the Eagles were bidding for him. That doesn't neccessarily make me any more sure of his talent, but it does mean that we weren't the only ones who believe he was worth picking. Whether others thought he wasn't worth a higher pick, or were just gambling that they would have the high bid is unknown, but I think it was worth the risk.[/quote]I think we have a very, very good scheme fit in Jarmon. But I also know that being a good fit, and being able to develop on the expected schedule of an NFL lineman are different things, and I question the latter of these variables. I don't know if he's going to develop quickly enough to make this pick worth our while.

Optimistically, I'm just going to be wrong.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;568678]what about Vick, he could go to Dallas or Cinci next year. Amazing that the cowgirls and bungles have knocked the Raiders completely off the radar for thugs.[/quote]

It pleases me to no end that the Cowboys and Raiders are competing for the worst-character rosters. If only the Cowboys could play as poorly as the Raiders. Man, how I HATE both of those teams.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

The risk is nothing compared to what KC and Denver gave for T. Jackson and Ayers at the 3rd and 18th picks . Jarmon , Jackson and Ayers played DE in the SEC . Here are the Numbers , TFL/Sacks , Jarmon 30/18 ,,, Jackson 31/19 ,,, Ayers 31/9 ,,, and Orakpo 38/22 . Jarmon's No.s are in 3 years , so his productivity is as good as the guys taken in rd 1 this year , if not better .

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=53Fan;568701]I understand what you're saying Tripp. I also had doubts. But the more I think about it, it could turn out to be a good move. Perhaps even a great move. From all reports, even the Eagles were bidding for him. That doesn't neccessarily make me any more sure of his talent, but it does mean that we weren't the only ones who believe he was worth picking. Whether others thought he wasn't worth a higher pick, or were just gambling that they would have the high bid is unknown, but I think it was worth the risk.[/quote]

Yes. Added to this is that Jarmon would not be a great fit in a 3-4 scheme so presumably 3-4 teams did not take him seriously, only 4-3 teams did. And we know that several of these 4-3 teams did bid. As you indicate, while we'll never know exactly how high he was valued by other teams, we do know that he was valued. We aren't the only ones who saw something in him.

Vinny scares me when he is the only one to value a player. As GTripp indicates, Vinny does not get the benefit of my doubt. Knowing that Vinny was not alone in valuing Jarmon makes me feel much better.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=BringBackJoeT;568706]It pleases me to no end that the Cowboys and Raiders are competing for the worst-character rosters. [B]If only the Cowboys could play as poorly as the Raiders.[/B] Man, how I HATE both of those teams.[/quote]

Maybe the Cowboys will this year. :)

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=skinsnut;568697]

yeah...if he played this year...which he CANT because he is freaking ineligible.
If he sat out a year...he'd probably drop significantly...like a 5th rounder.
I am just not thrilled with using a 3rd rounder on a guy that missed out on all the rookie camp crap....yeah we got him a year early...but that guy better get off his butt and prove why we gave up a roster spot for a benchwarmer.
I want to see this guy kill it on special teams...DAY ONE.
There aint much complicated about running like a bat outta hell to crunch someone with a 40 yard head of steam.
I want this guy to earn his keep and PROVE he is worth a 3rd!
I will have to SEE it to BELIEVE it![/quote]

I hear what you are saying and our draft track record has been suspect after the first round lately

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=budw38;568708]The risk is nothing compared to what KC and Denver gave for T. Jackson and Ayers at the 3rd and 18th picks . Jarmon , Jackson and Ayers played DE in the SEC . Here are the Numbers , TFL/Sacks , Jarmon 30/18 ,,, Jackson 31/19 ,,, Ayers 31/9 ,,, and Orakpo 38/22 . Jarmon's No.s are in 3 years , so his productivity is as good as the guys taken in rd 1 this year , if not better .[/quote]

Good info.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I'm slightly confused.....we in essance drafted a guy a yr early, a player who was reported to be a 2nd or 3rd round talent, and the team (I presume) will be paying him pennies compared to him actually going through the draft and getting paid third round talent....no? So again in essance we got a bargain. Unless I'm missing something.

Also, what happens to all the others who were in the supplemental draft? Jarmon was the only drafted player and I thought somewhere I had seen that there was actually 3 decent players in the Supp Draft one being a WR and an O-lineman I thought. If no one picks them are they elligable to be asked to someones camp?

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=budw38;568708]The risk is nothing compared to what KC and Denver gave for T. Jackson and Ayers at the 3rd and 18th picks . Jarmon , Jackson and Ayers played DE in the SEC . Here are the Numbers , TFL/Sacks , Jarmon 30/18 ,,, Jackson 31/19 ,,, Ayers 31/9 ,,, and Orakpo 38/22 . Jarmon's No.s are in 3 years , so his productivity is as good as the guys taken in rd 1 this year , if not better .[/quote]

For those who can't read between the lines....I think he's refering to the others having 4 yrs of college with those numbers and Jarmon having the same numbers in 3 yrs. Hmmm. Still seems like a bargain. maybe even better then we thought. Imagin Orakpo being a 1st round pick actually not living up to his billing. Now that would be a waist of a pick and money.

We needed pass rush this yr. Our whole defense did ok with out a pass rush but could be awsome with one and our owner went out and picked up pass rushers.....AH, Orakpo, and now Jarmon. Yet all we can seem to do is complain about picking up pass rushers. You all should be happy the defense is set now at least for a few yrs. Hopefully the Offense can handle their business and next yr we can pick up some more O-lineman.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=SBXVII;568746]I'm slightly confused.....we in essance drafted a guy a yr early, a player who was reported to be a 2nd or 3rd round talent, and the team (I presume) will be paying him pennies compared to him actually going through the draft and getting paid third round talent....no? So again in essance we got a bargain. Unless I'm missing something.

[B]Also, what happens to all the others who were in the supplemental draft?[/B] Jarmon was the only drafted player and I thought somewhere I had seen that there was actually 3 decent players in the Supp Draft one being a WR and an O-lineman I thought.[B] If no one picks them are they elligable to be asked to someones camp[/B]?[/quote]

They are basically UDFA's. They can sign with anyone who wants them.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=53Fan;568765]They are basically UDFA's. They can sign with anyone who wants them.[/quote]


Thanks. So now, how many players were in the Supp Draft? Whatever article I read said there was only 3 or 4 worthy of being picked.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I guess this is what I read...

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8114a802&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Supplemental draft features some players to watch[/url]

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I found another article with more names....

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/218868-2009-nfl-supplemental-draft-on-july-16th]2009 NFL Supplemental Draft on July 16 | Bleacher Report[/url]

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All I seem to find is this list of 8...

Here’s a list of the eight players available in this year’s supplemental draft:

Blake Boyd, LB, Western Kentucky
Jeremy Jarmon, DE, Kentucky
Torris Magee, WR, Southern Miss
Dixon McKinner, DE, Texas Tech
Joe McMahon, G, Central Michigan
Demetrice Morley, S, Tennessee
Deon Murphy, WR, Kansas State
Corey Surrency, WR, Florida State

Are any others worth asking to try out?

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=SBXVII;568778]All I seem to find is this list of 8...

Here’s a list of the eight players available in this year’s supplemental draft:

Blake Boyd, LB, Western Kentucky
Jeremy Jarmon, DE, Kentucky
Torris Magee, WR, Southern Miss
Dixon McKinner, DE, Texas Tech
Joe McMahon, G, Central Michigan
Demetrice Morley, S, Tennessee
Deon Murphy, WR, Kansas State
Corey Surrency, WR, Florida State

Are any others worth asking to try out?[/quote]

Well it doesn't cost anything so I would ask McMahon to come in and tryout. He's a 6-3 290lb. center-guard. Maybe Boyd. Has good size for a strongside LB at 6-3 250. He also led his team in tackles but is supposedly an average athlete.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I understand all were in the Supp Draft for a reason and I have not looked at all of them, but I thought perhaps one of the WR's could come in (as if we don't have enough all ready) and challenge for a spot. Then I read up on Corey Surrency...oh my god....

Florida State WR Corey Surrency

Like most players entering the NFL Supplemental Draft, Surrency has a colorful past leading him to the NFL’s special draft.

NCAA denied his request for another year of eligibility. [B]The former Seminole dropped out of high school in the ninth grade and received his GED in jail[/B]. After playing for a semi-pro team called the Florida Kings, Surrency (6’4", 226 lbs.) attended El Camino Community College before transferring to FSU in 2008.

In his very limited NCAA career, Surrency, who has great size and the speed to go with it, showed flashes, catching 12 balls for 237 yards (19.8 avg.) and four touchdowns. However there are lingering character issues around this over-aged prospect (25 years old) as he was suspended twice in 2008, missing one game each time for separate off-the-field incidents.

Definitely looks like a non-selection in the Supplemental Draft with some team giving him a shot in training camp or on a practice squad. Reminds me of Arena League player Larry Brackins of the Philadelphia Soul who has had NFL stops with the Jets and Buccaneers.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;568633]Well, it's not [I]exactly[/I] the same thing. Jarmon was not in the 2010 draft.

If Jarmon had entered the 2009 draft as a redshirt junior, under his own choice, would we still have traded up into the third round after the Barnes pick to get him? Or would we have rated him more highly on the board than Barnes?

Because there are a bunch of guys that were given second round grades at that point. Barnes had a second round game from this team. There was probably at least one defensive lineman who would have had a higher grade than Jarmon at the pick.

If he had been in the 2009 regular draft, we would have got a much better idea of his value than the fact that a bunch of teams were willing to take 4th round flyers on him. He probably would have been a 4th or a 5th round pick in last year's draft.

Anyway, there's a huge difference between having a second round grade from the Redskins, and having been a likely second round pick. [U]Every pick on the second day is made by a team who thinks they got a steal.[/U]

Anyway, like I said earlier, if we acutally do get a second round pick out of Jarmon, then using a supplemental third on him is a huge steal. But that assessment that Vinny had is a little bit higher than anyone elses assessment. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

It's important to remember that while looking at all the teams that put a claim in the 4th round is one way to judge his value, that still leaves two unanswered questions: 1) how many of those teams were willing to overpay by a round to bolster their defense [B]this[/B] year? and 2) why did no team who won more games than us last year think he was worth a third round claim, if in fact he was a potential second round prospect?[/quote]

This pick was based on a need for the Redskins. Remember Jason Taylor was released and we got only 1year from him. We resign Wynn and Daniels who are both veterans but dont have much left in the tank. Orakpo is not playing DE so far so we needed to add young talent at the DE positon. Our front office graded Jarmon to be a possible 2nd round pick in 2010. Their is no way of knowing this for sure unless he played his senior season which would determine how well he played. So based on Jarmon's talent from his past 3 seasons at Kentucky we really wanted to land him. To ensure we got him we were willing to give up a 3rd pick from the 2010 draft. This worked now we have a young DE to groom this season instead of 2010. Who knows in 2010 he may have been projected to go in the 1st round if he had a monster senior year. Its all a gamble.

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I think it a good move. I hope he learns how to play DE in the NFL front the Vets and brings a much needed speed from the edge on passing downs, while haynesworth crashes the middle. As an offensive coordinator I would be having fits planning for this defense.

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[url]http://www.nfldraftsite.com/2010mock.htm#1[/url]. I thought this was of some small interest, a mock 2010 draft , that has the iggles taking Jarmon , in rd 3 :)

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

How can you post a poll about a player we picked up 3 days ago, that hasnt played a snap in the NFL, and "don't know yet" isnt an option.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

We grade draft picks all the time how is this any different?

Don't like it? Don't vote. "Don't know yet" is a cop out, throw out an opinion that's what we're here for, no?

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I believe it was a good move. I think Jarmon can play and the important thing is that this wasn't trading a draft pick for a 30+ year old player. Jarmon came out of college because he tested positive for a banned diuretic. Hell, Luis Castillo went in the first round of the draft after he used PED's a few years ago. I don't believe there are any red flags in regards to Jarmon and he may be able to contribute some this year, but he should be a much larger contributor next year (which would have been his rookie year had he stayed in school).

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I think this is a good move with small risk. Who knows what round he WOULD've been drafted in.. If he was allowed to play, then he could have had a *great* year or a really crappy year. Nevertheless, his predictions were for a third round pick, right?

Well, here are the third round DE picks over the past few years:

[quote]2009
3 4 68 Jarron Gilbert Bears San Jose State
3 6 70 Michael Johnson Bengals Georgia Tech
3 7 71 Matt Shaughnessy Raiders Wisconsin
2008
3 3 66 Kendall Langford Dolphins Hampton
3 9 72 Chris Ellis Bills Virginia Tech
3 17 80 Bryan Smith Eagles McNeese State
3 29 92 Cliff Avril Lions Purdue
2007
3 1 65 Quentin Moses Raiders Georgia
3 20 83 Charles Johnson Panthers Georgia
2006
3 27 91 Frostee Rucker Bengals USC
3 28 92 Jason Hatcher Cowboys Grambling State
2005
3 10 74 Justin Tuck Giants Notre Dame
3 28 92 Vincent Burns Colts Kentucky
2004
3 1 64 Darnell Dockett Cardinals Florida State
3 25 88 Darrion Scott Vikings Ohio State
3 28 91 Tony Hargrove Rams Georgia Tech

[url=http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/de.html]DraftHistory.com[/url]
[/quote]

Justin Tuck is a star, but it seems like in general third round DE's are hit or miss. Time will tell if it was a good decision or not - but I guess if he turns out halfway decent we've gotten value for our 3rd round pick. And he sure has a great situation being next to AH/AC/Rak..

The flip side is -- are we expecting too much for a DE that was only expected to go in the late early rounds. Of course draft predictions are crap, so we'll never know where he would have been drafted.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=SBXVII;568786]I understand all were in the Supp Draft for a reason and I have not looked at all of them, but I thought perhaps one of the WR's could come in (as if we don't have enough all ready) and challenge for a spot. Then I read up on Corey Surrency...oh my god....

Florida State WR Corey Surrency

Like most players entering the NFL Supplemental Draft, Surrency has a colorful past leading him to the NFL’s special draft.

NCAA denied his request for another year of eligibility. [B]The former Seminole dropped out of high school in the ninth grade and received his GED in jail[/B]. After playing for a semi-pro team called the Florida Kings, Surrency (6’4", 226 lbs.) attended El Camino Community College before transferring to FSU in 2008.

In his very limited NCAA career, Surrency, who has great size and the speed to go with it, showed flashes, catching 12 balls for 237 yards (19.8 avg.) and four touchdowns. However there are lingering character issues around this over-aged prospect (25 years old) as he was suspended twice in 2008, missing one game each time for separate off-the-field incidents.

Definitely looks like a non-selection in the Supplemental Draft with some team giving him a shot in training camp or on a practice squad. Reminds me of Arena League player Larry Brackins of the Philadelphia Soul who has had NFL stops with the Jets and Buccaneers.[/quote]

Are you surprised? It's FSU, the Dallas Cowboys of the NCAA.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=Mattyk72;569251]We grade draft picks all the time how is this any different?

Don't like it? Don't vote. "Don't know yet" is a cop out, throw out an opinion that's what we're here for, no?[/quote]

You're right. A conditional yes then, if he's playing 18-20 years olds in a below average college conference next year, then he'll be the 2nd or 3rd best DE in our college conference.

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[quote=Monksdown;569542]You're right. A conditional yes then, if he's playing 18-20 years olds in a below average college conference next year, then he'll be the 2nd or 3rd best DE in our college conference.[/quote]

Huh?

He was in the SEC last year, this year he will be in the toughest NFL division. I missed a step somewhere.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/zorn-on-jarmon-hes-studying-th.html]Redskins Insider - Zorn on Jarmon: 'He's Studying the Weight Room'[/url]

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=Mattyk72;570167][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/zorn-on-jarmon-hes-studying-th.html]Redskins Insider - Zorn on Jarmon: 'He's Studying the Weight Room'[/url][/quote]

very good article, nothing earth shattering, even I like these two quotes from it:

[quote]Making the [B]safe assumption[/B] that both Jarmon and the team's first-round pick, defensive end Brian Orakpo, sign contracts soon,[/quote]
I just like that it is seen as a safe assumption, and hope to see both sign early this week.

and about Snyder:
[quote]Zorn says. "That's what really has been wonderful about Dan Snyder. He really has been willing to step up and say, 'Yeah, I'll do this.'[/quote]

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I just love that this guy gets an entire year dedicated to gain muscle and work out in the weight room. We don't really need him to do anything this year unless the unthinkable happens to our LDEs.

I wonder -- suppose Philip Daniels goes out again (knock on wood), and Wynn is not on our roster because we have too many DEs. I'm assuming they would start Orakpo at LDE, right? Or would Jarmon get the nod?

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=ethat001;570198]I just love that this guy gets an entire year dedicated to gain muscle and work out in the weight room. We don't really need him to do anything this year unless the unthinkable happens to our LDEs.

I wonder -- suppose Philip Daniels goes out again (knock on wood), and Wynn is not on our roster because we have too many DEs. I'm assuming they would start Orakpo at LDE, right? Or would Jarmon get the nod?[/quote]I know this wasn't an option for him, but I think Jarmon would have developed faster by playing his Sr. year in the SEC as opposed to not playing much with the Redskins as a rookie.

Anyway, Orakpo kinda, sorta already IS our starting LE, but nominally, they are calling him a linebacker.

When the TE is on the right side, the LDE tradionally lines up on his outside shoulder, but in our base scheme, we've got an extra guy over there to prevent teams from getting to the edge on us in the running game. That's the Daniels/Wynn/Jarmon role.

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i havent heard much about mr jarmon in the last couple of weeks. anyone have anything to report in this guy? he had a great first couple of preseason games, but has seemed to cool off...