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[quote=T.O.Killa;622462]Another Vinny mistake was taking Landry. In my mind he is a bust, He has blown a bunch of games for us.[/quote]

I would have rather had Patrick Willis or Jon Beason.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;622467]I would have rather had Patrick Willis or Jon Beason.[/quote]

I love London Fletcher, but Patrick Willis is a total monster.

What picks do we have this year (round by round)? I'm having a brain fart.

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[quote=GMScud;622468]I love London Fletcher, but Patrick Willis is a total monster.

What picks do we have this year (round by round)? I'm having a brain fart.[/quote]

I know we are missing the 3rd rounder and either a 6th or 7th rounder.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;622471]I know we are missing the 3rd rounder and either a 6th or 7th rounder.[/quote]

I would love it if Brandon Spikes slipped into the early part of the 2nd round and we snagged him.

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[quote=GMScud;622472]I would love it if Brandon Spikes slipped into the early part of the 2nd round and we snagged him.[/quote]

Last thing we need right now is more dirty players. We've gone from reflecting Gibbs character to miroring Snyder.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;622477]Last thing we need is more dirty players. We've gone from reflecting Gibbs character to miroring Snyder.[/quote]

One play and Spikes is dirty? Nah. He's been a team leader and the best player on Florida's defense. He's a prototype 4-3 MLB. And he passed up NFL millions last season to come back to school and earn a degree and try to win another title. He's no Laron Landry, trust me.

I love that no one talks about how Spikes had his face clawed and helmet ripped off prior to the eye gouge incident. Not saying it's an excuse, but everyone wants to pigeon-hole him as dirty. He made a mistake, but he's not a dirty football player.

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[quote=GMScud;622478][B]One play and Spikes is dirty? Nah.[/B] He's been a team leader and the best player on Florida's defense. He's a prototype 4-3 MLB. And he passed up NFL millions last season to come back to school and earn a degree and try to win another title. He's no Laron Landry, trust me.

I love that no one talks about how Spikes had his face clawed and helmet ripped off prior to the eye gouge incident. Not saying it's an excuse, but everyone wants to pigeon-hole him as dirty. He made a mistake, but he's not a dirty football player.[/quote]

Yes, one play and he is dirty, given the play. That was ghastly. I can barely watch the replay.

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[quote=Lotus;622489]Yes, one play and he is dirty, given the play. That was ghastly. I can barely watch the replay.[/quote]

No excuse for the play in question, but to label him as a dirty player overall for one incident is just dumb.

Kiper and McShay both agreed that that one play will have zero effect on his draft status.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;622467]I would have rather had Patrick Willis or Jon Beason.[/quote]

Umm or Adrian Peterson...enough said

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;622425]A perfect draft would be to trade down and get an OL,OG, then go for [B]Toby Gerhart [/B]and Jimmy Clausen if he's available. We will need to make some trades and try to get as many picks as possible. My candidates to trade that gives us somekind of value are:

Moss
Landry
Fred Davis
Andre Carter
Montgomery

I would keep Portis and Campbell, I think that with an OL that hey can be productive.[/quote]

He's good in college, but won't be in the pros. Why, cause he's white plain and simple, and he's slow. name one good white runningback in the league. And no Jacob Hester isn't good, but he was good in college.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;622477]Last thing we need right now is more dirty players. We've gone from reflecting Gibbs character to miroring Snyder.[/quote]

We would end up moving him into the secondary anyway.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;622518]He's good in college, but won't be in the pros. Why, cause he's white plain and simple, and he's slow. name one good white runningback in the league. And no Jacob Hester isn't good, but he was good in college.[/quote]

What is being black or white have to do with talent? Is that mean that a black QB or coach is not as good as a white one? What color was Riggo? Have you seen Gerhart play? He plays with heart and guts and has had great games against Oregon, USC and all other Pac10 teams. They play USC this weekend, I suggest you watch this kid play.

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Gerhart's got third round potential, but I don't think he's our answer.

He's got game though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;622543]Gerhart's got third round potential, but I don't think he's our answer.

He's got game though.[/quote]

Like I said, I would draft him on the 3rd if we make a trade or 4th if he lasts till then. We need OL first and foremost.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;622542]What is being black or white have to do with talent? Is that mean that a black QB or coach is not as good as a white one? What color was Riggo? Have you seen Gerhart play? He plays with heart and guts and has had great games against Oregon, USC and all other Pac10 teams. They play USC this weekend, I suggest you watch this kid play.[/quote]

Thats why I love the O-Line. Its the only position in football with virtually no preconcieved notions of racial bias. Of course if one wants to argue the validity of stereotypes in sports then I suggest you look no further then the worlds game, where virtually every race fields elite players. Plus if white people are so slow then how come the worlds fastest soccer player is a white guy (Messi)? Using race to determine athletic prowess is as useful as a hangnail. In short Iagree with Fred.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;622575]Thats why I love the O-Line. Its the only position in football with virtually no preconcieved notions of racial bias. Of course if one wants to argue the validity of stereotypes in sports then I suggest you look no further then the worlds game, where virtually every race fields elite players. Plus if white people are so slow then how come the worlds fastest soccer player is a white guy (Messi)? Using race to determine athletic prowess is as useful as a hangnail. In short Iagree with Fred.[/quote]

Sure theres exceptions to every sterotype, and I agree that with the OL especially its probably the only position where it doesn't matter what race you are cause they all perform the same. QB I tend to go white, but don't get me wrong there are a lot of black QB's that are or where good. McNabb comes to mind first. But RB is, in our day, a typical black position. Like I said in my original statement name me one good white running back in the NFL. Riggo played in the days when players ran 4.9's and there weren't really any 4.4 speed guys. He played in the days when a 300 lb lineman were a rarity.

And I've seen Gehrhart play and he's a great college guy but not an nfl guy. He's just like jacob hester IMO, and Hesters been pretty lame for the chargers so I say save this pick for an OLman

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[quote=CultBrennan59;622872]Sure theres exceptions to every sterotype, and I agree that with the OL especially its probably the only position where it doesn't matter what race you are cause they all perform the same. QB I tend to go white, but don't get me wrong there are a lot of black QB's that are or where good. McNabb comes to mind first. But RB is, in our day, a typical black position. Like I said in my original statement name me one good white running back in the NFL. Riggo played in the days when players ran 4.9's and there weren't really any 4.4 speed guys. He played in the days when a 300 lb lineman were a rarity.

And I've seen Gehrhart play and he's a great college guy but not an nfl guy. He's just like jacob hester IMO, and Hesters been pretty lame for the chargers so I say save this pick for an OLman[/quote]

With those dinosaur attitudes of yours, did you time travel to get to the 21st century?

Read other comments above. To correlate race with athletic talent as you have done is not just unethical, it is inaccurate.

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[quote=Lotus;622904]With those dinosaur attitudes of yours, did you time travel to get to the 21st century?

Read other comments above. To correlate race with athletic talent as you have done is not just unethical, it is inaccurate.[/quote]

No its pretty accurate if you ask me, and true, its just that no one has the balls to put it up online, because race is such a heated issue.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;622976]No its pretty accurate if you ask me, and true, its just that no one has the balls to put it up online, because race is such a heated issue.[/quote]

No. It is not the case that I think like you do but I am too cowed to say it. The fact is, I just don't see the world in terms of race like you do. Few people these days share your racist perspectives.

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[quote=Lotus;622994]No. It is not the case that I think like you do but I am too cowed to say it. The fact is, I just don't see the world in terms of race like you do. Few people these days share your racist perspectives.[/quote]

Look, I'm white, and I'm saying to not draft the white guy in terms of this gehrhart guy. I don't see all of the NFL like this, but its a topic that does come up, thats why theres a rooney rule, and other things involving race. I don't see how you can say I'm racist when I'm going against my own race, if I were racist I'd say draft the white guy, which I'm not.

Anyway since this thread is about who we should get in 2010, I think we should get Russell Okung or Ciron Black cause they both seem to be great LT's from LSU and OKSU. Jason Fox of miami seems like a good pickup at RT in the later rounds.

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[quote=Lotus;622994]No. It is not the case that I think like you do but I am too cowed to say it. The fact is, I just don't see the world in terms of race like you do. Few people these days share your racist perspectives.[/quote]

actually.....most people understand that white people are just slower....its not racist....its pretty much fact and has been proven

whether its genetics or luck or coincidence it doesnt matter.....but its pretty much understood that blacks are faster....thats not racist

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[quote=CantonLegend;623004]actually.....most people understand that [B]white people are just slower....its not racist....its pretty much fact and has been proven[/B]

whether its genetics or luck or coincidence it doesnt matter.....but its pretty much understood that blacks are faster....thats not racist[/quote]

Proven? In what studies? Please enlighten me.

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[quote=Lotus;623098]Proven? In what studies? Please enlighten me.[/quote]

Here it is to the Jimmy "The Greeks" in this forum.

On January 16, 1988, he was fired by the CBS network (where he was a contributor to the NFL Today program since 1976) after commenting to WRC-TV reporter Ed Hotaling in a Washington, D.C. restaurant that African Americans were naturally superior athletes at least in part because they had been bred to produce stronger offspring during slavery:
“ The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid. ”

According to the New York Times obit, Snyder expressed regret for his comments, remarking: "What a foolish thing to say."

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[quote=CultBrennan59;623002][B]Look, I'm white, and I'm saying to not draft the white guy in terms of this gehrhart guy. I don't see all of the NFL like this, but its a topic that does come up, thats why theres a rooney rule, and other things involving race. I don't see how you can say I'm racist when I'm going against my own race, if I were racist I'd say draft the white guy, which I'm not. [/B]

Anyway since this thread is about who we should get in 2010, I think we should get Russell Okung or Ciron Black cause they both seem to be great LT's from LSU and OKSU. Jason Fox of miami seems like a good pickup at RT in the later rounds.[/quote]

The Oxford English Dictionary describes "racism" thus:
"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race."

You argued that white people cannot play running back in the NFL. That is racism as defined above. It does not matter whether you personally are white, black, or purple striped.

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[quote=Lotus;623098]Proven? In what studies? Please enlighten me.[/quote]

the NFL, the olympics, almost all major sports except hockey

they are better athletes for whatever reason....its not racist at all.....quit holding onto whatever middle aged white male complex you have......white guys just arent as good at sports as black guys

i say that coming from a town of 500 people....graduating 40 kids a year from high school........coaching a predominantly white team with the rare black student athlete who almost always starts

my team wins the league almost every season and goes into the playoffs in the top half of the seeds.....we are a white public school but occasionally draw a black student or 2 from the surrounding areas who actually does play and makes huge impacts....usually on both offense and defense

when we go into the playoffs we usually do well until we have to play a catholic school or an inner city school that dominates with speed and athleticism that our school just cant compete with

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[quote=CultBrennan59;622976]No its pretty accurate if you ask me, and true, its just that no one has the balls to put it up online, because race is such a heated issue.[/quote]
:doh:
No, no one is idiotic enough to think it's remotely relative. Guess what, I don't know your race, but I know you are ignorant in this matter.

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[quote=CantonLegend;623103]the NFL, the olympics, almost all major sports except hockey

they are better athletes for whatever reason....its not racist at all.....quit holding onto whatever middle aged white male complex you have......white guys just arent as good at sports as black guys

i say that coming from a town of 500 people....graduating 40 kids a year from high school........coaching a predominantly white team with the rare black student athlete who almost always starts

my team wins the league almost every season and goes into the playoffs in the top half of the seeds.....we are a white public school but occasionally draw a black student or 2 from the surrounding areas who actually does play and makes huge impacts....usually on both offense and defense

when we go into the playoffs we usually do well until we have to play a catholic school or an inner city school that dominates with speed and athleticism that our school just cant compete with[/quote]

You said that certain racial characteristics were "proven." I asked you for studies which demonstrate your point. You responded with mindless, intolerant opinion.

Just admit that you are an ignorant racist so that we can move on.

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[quote=Lotus;623111]You said that certain racial characteristics were "proven." I asked you for studies which demonstrate your point. You responded with mindless, intolerant opinion.

Just admit that you are an ignorant racist so that we can move on.[/quote]

as of 2008, 70% if the players in the NFL are black

the most recent world record holders for the fastest times in the olympics are held by:

Usain Bolt
Tyson Gay
Asafa Powell
Obadele Thompson
Marion Jones

actually the last white sprinter to win a gold medal in the olympics was a man by the name of Allan Wells in 1980.....that was 30 years ago

also remember that was the olympics in which many countries boycotted because it was held in moscow

it doesnt take a scientific study to prove these things......just open your eyes

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[quote=Lotus;623100]The Oxford English Dictionary describes "racism" thus:
"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race."

You argued that white people cannot play running back in the NFL. That is racism as defined above. It does not matter whether you personally are white, black, or purple striped.[/quote]

Gehrhart won't be a good running back. It's that simple I've already altered this thread from who would you pick in the 2010 draft to racism of football players. Its true that the NFL is mostly black players. Almost every running back in the league is black but a few. And those few all suck. End of Story.

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[quote=CantonLegend;623112]as of 2008, 70% if the players in the NFL are black

the most recent world record holders for the fastest times in the olympics are held by:

Usain Bolt
Tyson Gay
Asafa Powell
Obadele Thompson
Marion Jones

actually the last white sprinter to win a gold medal in the olympics was a man by the name of Allan Wells in 1980.....that was 30 years ago

also remember that was the olympics in which many countries boycotted because it was held in moscow

[B]it doesnt take a scientific study to prove these things......just open your eyes[/B][/quote]

Actually it definitely does take a scientific study to prove such things.

Keep arguing, though, because I'm enjoying watching a dinosaur racist reveal just how deeply ignorant he is. This is epic.

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[quote=Lotus;623123]Actually it definitely does take a scientific study to prove such things.

Keep arguing, though, because I'm enjoying watching a dinosaur racist reveal just how deeply ignorant he is. This is epic.[/quote]

It doesn't take a study, its logic and common sense. Just open your eyes and look at who plays what on the football field. What are you going to say next that the NBA has better white players than black?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;623117]Gehrhart won't be a good running back. It's that simple I've already altered this thread from who would you pick in the 2010 draft to racism of football players. Its true that the NFL is mostly black players. Almost every running back in the league is black but a few. And those few all suck. End of Story.[/quote]

You have racist attitudes. End of story.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;623125][B]It doesn't take a study, its logic and common sense.[/B] Just open your eyes and look at who plays what on the football field. What are you going to say next that the NBA has better white players than black?[/quote]

It definitely does require a scientific study because your "logic and common sense" only make sense to a racist. Your "common sense" is irrelevant to me because I do not see WHITE players and BLACK players, I just see players.

Above I posted a definition of racism. Your arguments continue to fit that definition. Please man up and admit it.

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hate to get back on topic, but i think rb is now in the talks of our draft pick, i think we have to get one this year not nessearily in the first round but i think we need to probably in the 4th just hope there is a good one there then

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[quote=mlmdub130;623128]hate to get back on topic, but i think rb is now in the talks of our draft pick, i think we have to get one this year not nessearily in the first round but i think we need to probably in the 4th just hope there is a good one there then[/quote]

It would be cool to get RB Toby Gerhart in the 4th. That guy can ball.

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i keep wondering how far jahvid best will fall i know he probably won't fall out of the 2nd round but if he did i think that could be a steal

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[quote=mlmdub130;623128]hate to get back on topic, but i think rb is now in the talks of our draft pick, i think we have to get one this year not nessearily in the first round but i think we need to probably in the 4th just hope there is a good one there then[/quote]

RBs are dime a dozen. I just hope that whatever we do we get with the program and rotate 2-3 backs, and don't tie up too much casheesh in the position.

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[quote=Lotus;623123]Actually it definitely does take a scientific study to prove such things.

Keep arguing, though, because I'm enjoying watching a dinosaur racist reveal just how deeply ignorant he is. This is epic.[/quote]

im only 28....im not a dinosaur....in fact.....i welcome almost all the new things the NFL offers such as celebrating, bringing signs onto the field, signing balls and calling people after you score....dancing with teammates and using the ball as props

i have no problem with players being black or white.....i dont care what color you are.....if you can play then you can play....regardless of skin color

but history has shown that not only are you completely lost in your judgment of what is and is not racist, you have no idea which race dominates sports in nearly every country

football is 70% black
basketball is 80% black
baseball is 8.2% black due largely to the lack of baseball fields available to inner city schools.....which are made up of mostly blacks

24 of the 32 picks in the first round of the 2009 NFL draft were black....if you translate that to the entire league that equates to 75% of players in the league being black which is pretty close considering the actual number is 70%

it cant get any more scientific than those numbers.....what more do you want? you may not see colors but the rest of the world does and the rest of the world realizes blacks are just better....thats life

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[quote=mlmdub130;623128]hate to get back on topic, but i think rb is now in the talks of our draft pick, i think we have to get one this year not nessearily in the first round but i think we need to probably in the 4th just hope there is a good one there then[/quote]

I think you can find a good RB in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds. I mean the Cowgirls found Tashard Choice in the 4th round. It would have been nice to have picked one up, too bad the team is too worried about what CP will think.

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[quote=Ruhskins;623150]I think you can find a good RB in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds. I mean the Cowgirls found Tashard Choice in the 4th round. It would have been nice to have picked one up, too bad the team is too worried about what CP will think.[/quote]

good running backs can be found in free agency after the draft as well

guys like PJ Hill out of wisconsin last year look real promising.....pierre thomas starts for the saints and he was undrafted

RBs like stafon johnson out of USC might be available after the draft as well as brandon minor and joe mcknight from michigan and USC respectively

a guy that would help a team lacking in blocking is WV running back noel devine.....hes quick like darren sproles and offers a lot of receptions, screens, and draws out of the backfield.......great for an offensive line that gets beat a lot