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[quote=SBXVII;630817]Ok, so if we are limited to two decent HC's and one most likely going to Carolina, we either make sure we offer the most in money and give Shanahan the world or we look at Co-ordinators. Who would be good candidates from the Co-ordinator pools?

Saints(?)
Colts(Christensen)
Vikings(?)
Cardinals(Grimm)
Jets(Schottenheimer)
Texans(Shanahan)
Browns(Ryan)

Anyone else?

[B]Marty please come back. Please work out some deal with DS and take the GM/HCing job until your son Brian is ready to take over as HC. Turn this team around.[/quote][/B]

Amen

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[quote=SBXVII;630817]Ok, so if we are limited to two decent HC's and one most likely going to Carolina, we either make sure we offer the most in money and give Shanahan the world or we look at Co-ordinators. Who would be good candidates from the Co-ordinator pools?

Saints(?)
Colts(Christensen)
Vikings(?)
Cardinals(Grimm)
Jets(Schottenheimer)
Texans(Shanahan)
Browns(Ryan)

Anyone else?

Marty please come back. Please work out some deal with DS and take the GM/HCing job until your son Brian is ready to take over as HC. Turn this team around.[/quote]Unless he's denied by everyone else, I don't see Snyder going with less than a marquee name. Now that Chris Polian is off of the table (he's the one 'name' GM that Snyder would probably try to lure) I'm not sure he's desperate enough to go the GM first, then let him hire a coach route.

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[quote=Paintrain;630826]Unless he's denied by everyone else, I don't see Snyder going with less than a marquee name. Now that Chris Polian is off of the table (he's the one 'name' GM that Snyder would probably try to lure) I'm not sure he's desperate enough to go the GM first, then let him hire a coach route.[/quote]

See one would hope that this is where all the problems lie. Most owners hire a GM and let him bring in a decent coach. So basically you predict DS will most likely hire his HC and then look for a GM?

I agree DS I presume will not want to humble himself and ask Marty to come back but honestly almost no one see's Cowher here and Holmgren is likely to take on the Seattle job cause I think everyone see's him as the face of Seattle, Gruden is stuck with ESPN, I never thought Dungy would take up coaching again but stranger things have happened, So in a nut shell all the big named proven coach's (proven meaning HC's that can actually coach) are pretty much gone except Shanahan. So either DS makes a big push for him or in my estimate Marty is the next solid HC available.

I'll get slammed I'm sure by those infatuated with Billick or Fassel but I just don't see them as being great HC's, they were mediocre. I know Billick won one SB and Marty didn't but I still see Marty as being a better leader especially when we need someone with Marty's personality vs Billicks.

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[quote=SBXVII;630829]See one would hope that this is where all the problems lie. Most owners hire a GM and let him bring in a decent coach. So basically you predict DS will most likely hire his HC and then look for a GM?

I agree DS I presume will not want to humble himself and ask Marty to come back but honestly almost no one see's Cowher here and Holmgren is likely to take on the Seattle job cause I think everyone see's him as the face of Seattle, Gruden is stuck with ESPN, I never thought Dungy would take up coaching again but stranger things have happened, So in a nut shell all the big named proven coach's (proven meaning HC's that can actually coach) are pretty much gone except Shanahan. So either DS makes a big push for him or in my estimate Marty is the next solid HC available.

I'll get slammed I'm sure by those infatuated with Billick or Fassel but I just don't see them as being great HC's, they were mediocre. I know Billick won one SB and Marty didn't but I still see Marty as being a better leader especially when we need someone with Marty's personality vs Billicks.[/quote]

Well if he hires Shanahan as Pres of Football Ops, I think he's going to let Shanny pick his front office as well. I don't see Marty as a viable or even a positive option here. Why keep dipping into the past?

Maybe I am just being naive but I think Shanahan is going to go into his next job with a different outlook and plan. From some things I've read, he's spent a lot of time studying the Steelers and Patriots organizations and I'd expect him to model wherever he goes after what he's deemed to be their best practices. I also think he realizes that doing it ALL is too much and will hire a quality personnel guy that he can work well with. He may have the titles and the final word on the roster but I think much of the leg work will go to someone else.

Finally, if he's the guy, he can put himself in the Hall of Fame by turning our franchise around and making them a consistent winner that he hands off to his son. He's already got 2 Super Bowls but history really considers those as "Elway's Super Bowls" instead of his. If he can reach 2 more and/or win one more, especially by revitalizing a cornerstone franchise, that would cement his coaching legacy. He's got to see that and be willing to couch his current ego for the sake of his long term ego.

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[quote=Paintrain;630831]Well if he hires Shanahan as Pres of Football Ops, I think he's going to let Shanny pick his front office as well. [B]I don't see Marty as a viable or even a positive option here. Why keep dipping into the past?[/B]

Maybe I am just being naive but I think Shanahan is going to go into his next job with a different outlook and plan. From some things I've read, he's spent a lot of time studying the Steelers and Patriots organizations and I'd expect him to model wherever he goes after what he's deemed to be their best practices. I also think he realizes that doing it ALL is too much and will hire a quality personnel guy that he can work well with. He may have the titles and the final word on the roster but I think much of the leg work will go to someone else.

Finally, if he's the guy, he can put himself in the Hall of Fame by turning our franchise around and making them a consistent winner that he hands off to his son. He's already got 2 Super Bowls but history really considers those as "Elway's Super Bowls" instead of his. If he can reach 2 more and/or win one more, especially by revitalizing a cornerstone franchise, that would cement his coaching legacy. He's got to see that and be willing to couch his current ego for the sake of his long term ego.[/quote]

Marty simply isn't interested in coming back in any capacity. He's 66 years old and quite content in retirement. He's been steadfast in saying he's not coming back.

As for Shanahan I've never understood why people are so quick to discredit his success as simply due to Elway. Wasn't he responsible for assembling the team around him? At that point in his career Elway wasn't carrying the team on his back. If anything the success of Terrell Davis is what drove those SB winning teams.

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[quote=SmootSmack;630816]There's also always Gregg Williams as an option. So long as Vinny goes, Williams is a possibility. But Snyder won't let him be more than just head coach.[/quote]

I would be happy with him as coach if we got a good GM to go with him. Maybe we could get someone with ties to Tennessee that worked with GW in the past. That could be a nice combo.

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[quote=celts32;630847]I would be happy with him as coach if we got a good GM to go with him. Maybe we could get someone with ties to Tennessee that worked with GW in the past. That could be a nice combo.[/quote]

Like Floyd Reese? Whatever move Snyder makes it will be big. If he can't make the big move, maybe he just sticks with Zorn...but there are too many big options out there for him not to make a big move

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Jim Haslett's heavily-favored undefeated Orlando Tuskers were upset in the UFL Championship today by the Las Vegas Locomotives led by...Jim Fassell.

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Of course DS is going to hire a HC and then a GM...it makes too much bad sense for Snyder not to take that route lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;630915]Jim Haslett's heavily-favored undefeated Orlando Tuskers were upset in the UFL Championship today by the Las Vegas Locomotives [B]led by...Jim Fassell[/B].[/quote]

I know I'm supposed to be impressed but honestly I can't say that I am. I just get the feeling he would most likely win a bowl in college, no different then Spurrier, but struggle in the NFL like he did with the Giants and got canned.

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[quote=Mattyk72;630845]Marty simply isn't interested in coming back in any capacity. He's 66 years old and quite content in retirement. He's been steadfast in saying he's not coming back.

As for Shanahan I've never understood why[B] people are so quick to discredit his success as simply due to Elway.[/B] Wasn't he responsible for assembling the team around him? At that point in his career Elway wasn't carrying the team on his back. If anything the success of Terrell Davis is what drove those SB winning teams.[/quote]

My issues are not with that way of thinking. I actually liked what he did with his offenses, it was his lack of building a defense that bothers me. Blache is getting old and most likely will want to call Bingo also soon. If Shanahan is brought in as HC/president the questions remain who would be GM, and who would take over as DC? I think Shanahan will most likely bring in his son and maybe work to make whatever he was doing in Houston better considering their running is piss poor and not as good as ours right now. Their passing is better but not impressive.

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It's possible, probably not likely, but possible that Snyder could suggest to Shanahan that he keep someone like Morocco Brown to stay on as General Manager under Shanahan

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[quote=SmootSmack;630906]Like Floyd Reese? Whatever move Snyder makes it will be big. If he can't make the big move, maybe he just sticks with Zorn...but there are too many big options out there for him not to make a big move[/quote]

Yes exactly...Reese and GW could be a nice combo.

I don't believe he can bring Vinny and Zorn back and sell all the season tickets.

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I decided I would look into the OC's who are on teams with winning records and started with the Saints. I went to their site and pulled up the coach's and clicked on their OC. Wouldn't you know it....he used to be with the Skins back in 2001.

[url=http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Team/Coaches/People/Pete%20Carmichael%20Jr.aspx]New Orleans Saints - Pete Carmichael Jr[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;632085]I decided I would look into the OC's who are on teams with winning records and started with the Saints. I went to their site and pulled up the coach's and clicked on their OC. Wouldn't you know it....he used to be with the Skins back in 2001.

[url=http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Team/Coaches/People/Pete%20Carmichael%20Jr.aspx]New Orleans Saints - Pete Carmichael Jr[/url][/quote]

Yeah I think that's been brought up a few times here...it should be noted though that he's like Sherman Smith. Just now been named offensive coordinator and he doesn't really call the plays

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[quote=SmootSmack;630915]Jim Haslett's heavily-favored undefeated Orlando Tuskers were upset in the UFL Championship today by the Las Vegas Locomotives led by...Jim Fassell.[/quote]

who did what to the huh? they already had their championship and i missed it... damn, aren't there only like 6 teams?

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After listening to the guy on NBC, I want Dungy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;630915]Jim Haslett's heavily-favored undefeated Orlando Tuskers were upset in the UFL Championship today by the Las Vegas Locomotives led by...Jim Fassell.[/quote]

What in the hell is a Tusker?

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NFC
Vikings: [url=http://www.vikings.com/team/coaches/darrell-bevell/06889ea1-697a-4fe8-abe6-956773a7b83e]Minnesota Vikings: Darrell Bevell[/url]

Falcons: [url=http://www.atlantafalcons.com/People/Coaches/Mike_Mularkey.aspx]Atlanta Falcons | People | Mike Mularkey[/url]

Cardinals:
OC run game [url=http://www.azcardinals.com/team/coaches/russ-grimm/fc0566ed-e978-4d49-8536-ba550222b3a7]Arizona Cardinals: Russ Grimm[/url]
OC pass game [url=http://www.azcardinals.com/team/coaches/mike-miller/4aad07c2-29d2-446e-9e69-024bd27b81e9]Arizona Cardinals: Mike Miller[/url]

AFC
Jets: [url=http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coach/920-brian-schottenheimer]Brian Schottenheimer : Offensive Coordinator : Official Jets Bio : New York Jets Team News[/url]

Texans: [url=http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=15]Coach - Houston Texans[/url]

Colts: [url=http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=coachbio&coach_id=20]The Official Website of the Indianapolis Colts[/url]

These are obviously not all the Co-ordinators out there but I looked at the OC only in case we were going to keep
Jerry Gray and make him our DC. No need to ruffle feathers by bringing in another defensive minded coachm but
if the team is looking to "rebuild" then all Co-ordinators are fair game I guess. That is if they will take the job. I get
the feeling Shanahan will get the job but in case we lose out for some reason I'm looking at who would be a decent
co-ordinator to take the job.

I guess if G.Williams took the job as HC there would be some consistancy on the defensive side and Gray could
still be DC, but GW would have to find a decent OC to fix this mess and give him whoever he needs as coaching
assistants. However I just don't see DS recalling G.Williams back as HC or GW taking the job if offered. I get the
feeling a bridge was burned.

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Honestly I would love it if we made Jerry Gray our Head Coach and Hired Chip Kelly as our Offensive Coordinator. Let chip hire his own offensive staff and keep our special team coach.

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[b]jim harbaugh[/b]

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That's it. screw it. We have tried the OC route in Norv Turner. We have tried an understudy in Robisky. We have tried another big name in Marty Schottenheimer. We tried the college ranks with Spurrier. We tried bringing back history Gibbs2. We have tried the next supposedly up and comer in Zorn.

Now no one can agree on one simple name. So guess what. Screw everything and lets try something we have not tried....No GM, No HC. ..No that won't work. :) but we could let DS hire all the candidates we want. ;) Out source the opponents, call it "The NFL dream team2" since "The NFL dream team1" was Gibbs2 with all the possible HC candidates being on one team.

Imagine, Holmgren as GM, Shanahan as President, Clyde Christensen (Colts) as HC (great clock management), Shanahan (Jr) as OC/Asst. HC, Jerry Gray as DC, and make everyone else Hair ball.....I mean Harbaugh and Haslett Asst. OCer's. LOL.

Maybe someone else could find a way to blend all these coach's and more better then I.

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a turd sandwich could be our next coach?

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It doesn't matter who our new coach is. The problem is in the Front Office( Vinny.)
Shanahan is too old. Get a GM and let him set up the team. Please leave no hangovers from this staff. This team is 3-5 years out from this point. We are like a 1 year old expansion team.

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57 is too old??

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[quote=OApartyrock;632227]It doesn't matter who our new coach is. The problem is in the Front Office( Vinny.)
Shanahan is too old. Get a GM and let him set up the team. Please leave no hangovers from this staff. [B]This team is 3-5 years out from this point. We are like a 1 year old expansion team.[/quote][/B]

I wouldnt be that harsh, we do have some young talent on the offensive side of the ball and our defense is solid for the most part. IMO a few tweaks here and there and we will be back in it.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;632293][/B]

I wouldnt be that harsh, we do have some young talent on the offensive side of the ball and our defense is solid for the most part. IMO a few tweaks here and there and we will be back in it.[/quote]

Rebuild the OL and get a young RB and LB and we are definitely back in it.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;632293][/B]

I wouldnt be that harsh, we do have some young talent on the offensive side of the ball and our defense is solid for the most part. IMO a few tweaks here and there and we will be back in it.[/quote]

i agree, especially with the better production from the 2nd year group. I really believe solidifying the OL, and a competent overhaul of the coaching staff, and a new GM we could turn it around. But we will have to see if Dan got the message after the losses to the 0fers, or not.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;632297]Rebuild the OL and get a young RB and LB and we are definitely back in it.[/quote]

Definitely.

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^ Maybe but I'm betting JC doesn't stick around. Collins is too old. So who's going to be QB for next yr? I'm not a JC fan but right now he's the best we got.

RB? You don't like what you see in Ganther? he was the Titans 3rd rounder a few yrs ago. I think he looks great. Maybe pick up a late rounder after we have picked up OL.

LB? yeah I could see us picking up a late rounder but would rather we picked up a true SAM and made Orakpo a constant DE.

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I still remember screaming at the tv during the last draft when Ellerbe from UGA was still on the board in the late rounds. he is in Balt now.
We need OL help more than anything, i think Rock and the newbie can get it done as a tandem in the backfield.
Id like to see us either move Landry to SS or trade him outta here, im tired of seeing him miss the ball as he tried to kill the wr.
Im not a big JC guy bit id rather see him than have us go after a big name QB in the 1st round. Im not sold on any of them,maybe it just depends on who our HC is and which direction we are going at the time of the draft. I believe our offense with MK,DT,FD,Moss and Cooley could be very explosive with the right coaching.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;632307]I still remember screaming at the tv during the last draft when Ellerbe from UGA was still on the board in the late rounds. he is in Balt now.
We need OL help more than anything,[B] i think Rock and the newbie can get it done as a tandem in the backfield.[/B]
Id like to see us either move Landry to SS or trade him outta here, im tired of seeing him miss the ball as he tried to kill the wr.
Im not a big JC guy bit id rather see him than have us go after a big name QB in the 1st round. Im not sold on any of them,maybe it just depends on who our HC is and which direction we are going at the time of the draft. I believe our offense with MK,DT,FD,Moss and Cooley could be very explosive with the right coaching.[/quote]

Wow, I think my head just exploded. Did you actually kinda sorta praise Rock?

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[quote=SBXVII;632303]^ Maybe but I'm betting JC doesn't stick around. Collins is too old. So who's going to be QB for next yr? I'm not a JC fan but right now he's the best we got. [/quote]

Management must retain Campbell for at least another year, he would give us the best option over a rookie QB or FA. With a rebuilt line I think Campbell can be successful.

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[quote=SBXVII;632303]^ Maybe but I'm betting JC doesn't stick around. Collins is too old. So who's going to be QB for next yr? I'm not a JC fan but right now he's the best we got.

[B]RB? You don't like what you see in Ganther? he was the Titans 3rd rounder a few yrs ago.[/B] I think he looks great. Maybe pick up a late rounder after we have picked up OL.

LB? yeah I could see us picking up a late rounder but would rather we picked up a true SAM and made Orakpo a constant DE.[/quote]

He was a 7th rounder. He looks pretty decent as a #3 type of back.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;632310]Wow, I think my head just exploded. Did you actually kinda sorta praise Rock?[/quote]

oops, i meant Betts. :)

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[quote=Mattyk72;632313]He was a 7th rounder. He looks pretty decent as a #3 type of back.[/quote]

He's still young and probably has more to learn but I like his up side. As much as a Mason fan as I am I get the feeling he's treading water now.

I'm not a fan of Betts or Rock, but I did like what they offered when in together. What did Rock have this last weekend when relied upon to carry the load? 15 attempts with only 38yrds? Not the sign of a #1 RB we need.

I think Betts does better. If we retain him as the power back, pick up a large FB for goal line situations, and find a scat back to get around the ends we might be fine. Especially putting both Betts and the scat back in together. Other teams would not know where the ball was going...down the middle or outside.

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Philly is tough to run on, especially with our subpar offensive line. Rock is a solid backup. Ganther looks like a very solid backup too.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;632312]Management must retain Campbell for at least another year, he would give us the best option over a rookie QB or FA. With a rebuilt line I think Campbell can be successful.[/quote]

I presume that if the CAP is gone we have 1 more yr to retain him. Hopefully I'm correct. Would all the tags not be available also, in other words could we use the Franchise Tag? Again not that I like him but it does give us options if we are looking into building the OL next yr and maybe look for a middle to late round QB that might be good. Then maybe next yr we can look to get the QB for the new HC.

If DS scraps everything, I can see a new HC coming in and trying to keep JC to see what he can do with him, and picking up a 1st round QB if we are sitting high enough and a good one is available. It just seems new coach's want to get their QB to run their offense, ie; Baltimore, Atlanta, Detroit. and if thats the case I guess it's ok since we would have such a high pick at the end of this yr. If a new HC comes in and even goes 8-8 we will be sitting about middle of the pack, not a place to pick up an elite QB if it's a small group coming out.

but they do need to simply have an all call to all OL to visit during summer camp.

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I believe there will be two franchise tags available per team in an uncapped year

I wish they would make a long-term decision one way or another on Campbell this off-season.

Ganther, Rock, and Mason all feel like the same RB to me. Hard working 10-15 touches a game backs. Their contributions are important but I don't see them as being our lead backs ever. They're like Keith Griffin

(side note-watching Zorn's press conference and it's amazing how candid he is about what his coaching future is)

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Bill Cowher is my first choice. Gruden might be acceptable if Allen comes with him as GM.