Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;657402]Too premature to say this remember Jason Smith (I think) OT from Baylor went #2 overall before the combine & pro day he wasn't even a first round prospect. There be other studs that rise & i strongly believe some other overrated players will fall.[/quote]

Yep. A lot can and will change between now and the draft in April.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;657402]Too premature to say this remember Jason Smith (I think) OT from Baylor went #2 overall before the combine & pro day he wasn't even a first round prospect. There be other studs that rise & i strongly believe some other overrated players will fall.[/quote]

This time last year everyone was questioning Mark Sanchez from coming out of college and then after the combine(even though he didn't participate do to being a junior) he shot up the draft board to number 5 overall. I'm just hoping that someone will be there at the #4 pick whom teams want to trade up for.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;657402]Too premature to say this remember Jason Smith (I think) OT from Baylor went #2 overall before the combine & pro day he wasn't even a first round prospect. There be other studs that rise & i strongly believe some other overrated players will fall.[/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Smith had a pretty mediocre year especially given his draft status, and Michael Oher, who was considered the top OT in college before the start of the 08 season had a fairly prolific season (due more to his play than to his movie) as a rookie. I'm just saying that in general i trust impressions directly after the season more than impressions from the combine. Right after the season people are looking at game tape and skills as they apply directly to football (in a game context), and I think that gives probably the best measure of a players ability to succeed. After the combine people are so focused on numbers- numbers that are completely manipulated because all the prospects have months to prepare for each specific drill, now I won't argue that a 40 time is important, but I really dont care about it when its taken from a sprinting stance with no pads on.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=r08kessl;657408]Correct me if I'm wrong but Smith had a pretty mediocre year especially given his draft status, and Michael Oher, who was considered the top OT in college before the start of the 08 season had a fairly prolific season (due more to his play than to his movie) as a rookie. I'm just saying that in general i trust impressions directly after the season more than impressions from the combine. Right after the season people are looking at game tape and skills as they apply directly to football (in a game context), and I think that gives probably the best measure of a players ability to succeed. After the combine people are so focused on numbers- numbers that are completely manipulated because all the prospects have months to prepare for each specific drill, now I won't argue that a 40 time is important, but I really dont care about it when its taken from a sprinting stance with no pads on.[/quote]

You make a good point. It seems just about every year there's a combine superhero who puts up good enough numbers to move up and get a good payday, then disappoints thereafter. But I agree with Redskin Warrior about there being risers and fallers making it more difficult to predict who will be drafted at what spot.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

Chris Johnson had a pretty good 40 time...I'd say he's panning out pretty well.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

With the 4th pick, I would like to seee us draft Ingram.... to support and learn under CP. our 5 and 7 picks should be about rebuilding our aging O-line. We need a new freash line of HOGS! 350 and beyond.... Once the line is in place (1.5 years for gelling) We'll be back in the Superbowl chase!!! The Defense can be address in FA, but remember if we can control the ball, no defense can stand on their own. -- Hail Skins!

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

Ingram is a So.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=tootergray34;657418]Chris Johnson had a pretty good 40 time...I'd say he's panning out pretty well.[/quote]

A lot of players have a good 40 time. Ever heard of Darius Heyward Bey? I'm pretty sure he's not doing so hot (to be fair he plays for the raiders). And I'm also pretty sure that Chris Johnson also led the NCAA in rushing the year he was drafted, pretty good on field performance if I do say so. One case doesn't make good data, and I'm pretty sure if you look at the data you'l find more players whose stock was artificially inflated due to the combine than players who were "discovered" so to speak, because of the combine.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

Ingram isn't going into the draft bro, he's only a So. so he has one year left at Bama. And we aren't going to get lineman over 350 lb's...shanny likes em mobile, not earth movers.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=the-sky;658019]With the 4th pick, I would like to seee us draft Ingram.... to support and learn under CP. our 5 and 7 picks should be about rebuilding our aging O-line. We need a new freash line of HOGS! 350 and beyond.... Once the line is in place (1.5 years for gelling) We'll be back in the Superbowl chase!!! The Defense can be address in FA, but remember if we can control the ball, no defense can stand on their own. -- Hail Skins![/quote]

whyd you post literally the exact same thing a few days apart?

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=schndr_tdd;649982]tony pike[/quote]

I'm honestly surprised because no one seems to be mentioning him. I saw him in the Big East Championship and he looks like a very talented quarterback. I would prefer Bradford or Clausen, but Pike is a good backup plan.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

We trade Jason Campbell and the #4 pick for the 49ers 13th, 17th and 3 rounder. Use those picks to select Mike Iupati and Bruce Campbel in the first round. Pick Colt McCoy or the top QB Shanahan sees fit.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;658156]We trade Jason Campbell and the #4 pick for the 49ers 13th, 17th and 3 rounder. Use those picks to select Mike Iupati and Bruce Campbel in the first round. Pick Colt McCoy or the top QB Shanahan sees fit.[/quote]

That is so not going to happen. So you're telling me Campbell is worth a 1st and a 3rd..............ummmm we'd be lucky to get just a 3rd round pick for him.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;658156]We trade Jason Campbell and the #4 pick for the 49ers 13th, 17th and 3 rounder. Use those picks to select Mike Iupati and Bruce Campbel in the first round. Pick Colt McCoy or the top QB Shanahan sees fit.[/quote]

Iupati is not a good fit in this scheme. Maybe they could make it work but he's to much of a mauler to fit into a zone blocking scheme. Iupati is also likely to be available in the second round.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

If JC is worth a 1rst and a 3rd....why would we WANT to get rid of him?

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

I think a top 5 pick and JC would be enough to get those picks from SF. I would even be willing to trade Carter instead JC (he's not as good in a 3-4) if they wanted him.
If Iupati is around in the second round I'd take him in a heart beat. He will be the next Kevin Mawae, Mangold, Faneca type of interior lineman and I would draft him based off of his talent and will coach him into the type of lineman that I want him to be.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

cause JC is a indecisive bum!

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

1. St. Louis (1-15)
2. Detroit (2-14)
3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
4. Washington (4-12)
5. Kansas City (4-12)
6. Seattle (5-11)
7. Cleveland (5-11)
8. Oakland (5-11)
9. Buffalo (6-10)
10t. Denver (acquired from Chicago) (7-9)*
10t. Jacksonville (7-9)*
12. Miami (7-9)
13. San Francisco (8-8)
14. Seattle (acquired from Denver) (8-8)
15. New York Giants (8-8)
16t. Tennessee (8-8)
16t. San Francisco (acquired from Carolina) (8-8)
18. Pittsburgh (9-7)
19t. Atlanta (9-7) *
19t. Houston (9-7)

Out of the 1st 20picks, the only teams i could see that could draft a QB are St Louis, Sea, Buff, SF (maybe if they are not sold on Alex S and his improvement). Yes, SF could move up from 13 or 16 and get our 4th and still have their 2nd 1st rounder. I'm sure we would be able to snag a 2nd rounder from SF too. Win/Win for both teams. We may not get JC or SB but we'd have 3 picks in the top 40 or so.

If St Louis doesn't take a QB and takes Suh. I think we are going to have many options. Sorry if all this has been said, just trying to talk some Skins.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

I just don't think SF will make that trade man, I really think we are going to go Bradford with this choice...there is a reason that 90% of the mock drafts have us taking Bradford....like it or not, it's time for a new QB change in the nation's capital.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

Bradford is who I would go with of the two of them as well, but he's just the classic college underclassman top ten quarterback. He's got a legitimate track record of success (two years worth) under one team. This year was supposed to be the big test to Bradford's candidacy of a first overall type quarterback, and well, it was incomplete at best and a massive failure at worst.

Bradford could be a Mike Williams (the WR, not the OT) or a Rex Grossman. There's little statistical evidence to suggest he isn't. But what [B][U]film[/U][/B] we actually have on him is overwhelmingly positive. That doesn't mean he's not a bust, especially in Washington, but he does LOOK like a first overall type quarterback for the world. Obviously, things aren't as they appear, but he appears to be an accurate passer behind a great offensive line. A team like St. Louis with a strong, young OL should seriously consider Bradford at first overall. A team like Washington probably shouldn't risk it.

Clausen is someone I think we know way more about. He holds the ball a long time, he has a good arm (but not a great arm), is accurate downfield, but definitely lived off the jump ball as a sophomore and a junior. If we take Jimmy Clausen at No. 4, I think we know what we are getting: a guy who in many ways is a Jason Campbell clone, but does offer the ability to throw downfield and to the sideline with intent, where Campbell is a lot more comfortable throwing in the middle of the field.

Right now though, our passing game is built to go to the middle of the field. We'd be better in the short-term with Campbell than Clausen, and Campbell is a better fit for a Shanahan styled offense than Clausen is. He'd probably be more decisive in the offense than Clausen would be. But obviously, you could take Clausen with the intent to put the offense around him over time, and then it would make more sense.

In the end, you'd probably get an efficient passer who has a good TD/INT ratio and high completion percentage who sometimes makes boneheaded plays with the football. Essentially, Campbell, but younger. Bradford gives us something that we don't currently have, but someone who would probably need to sit, for risk of getting killed with these current teammates.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

I think, depending on Shanahan's feelings about Campbell, we'll either

A. Draft Bradford at 4 and trade our 2nd round pick and a player or future pick to get back in to the 1st and take a tackle in the lower part of the first round; or

B. Trade down (most likely with SF), picking up thieir #13/#16 and 2nd round pick and not drafting a QB until later in the draft.

It really depends on how Shanahan truly feels about Campbell. There's also the chance that because of our interest in Bradford, another team trades ahead of us to get him. I don't see that being likely though. Trading into the top 3 just gets too expensive. If, for some stupid reason, St. Louis takes Bradford instead of Suh, then all bets are off and i dont see us being able to trade down.

Re: Redskins pick 4th in the draft
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;658382]I think, depending on Shanahan's feelings about Campbell, we'll either

A. Draft Bradford at 4 and trade our 2nd round pick and a player or future pick to get back in to the 1st and take a tackle in the lower part of the first round; or

B. Trade down (most likely with SF), picking up thieir #13/#16 and 2nd round pick and not drafting a QB until later in the draft.

It really depends on how Shanahan truly feels about Campbell. There's also the chance that because of our interest in Bradford, another team trades ahead of us to get him. I don't see that being likely though. Trading into the top 3 just gets too expensive. If, for some stupid reason, St. Louis takes Bradford instead of Suh, then all bets are off and i dont see us being able to trade down.[/quote]

BHA, I think you pointed out that we should, as Redskins fans, be hoping for a rookie salary cap this year. I think both sides are trying to get that accomplished this year, and if they did the Redskins might be the largest beneficiary because it would open up top level trades to more teams. I hope that they do get one in place, and then we find a way to trade down - assuming Okung and/or Bradford are both gone.