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[quote=CultBrennan59;654482]A) Why was Waufle Fired?
B) I really like the hire of the Pittsburgh LB Coach as our LB coach, more than I like the hire of Jim Haslett
C) Is it 100% definite that we will be running the 3-4 this year. Also I wanted to add in that I was watching Inside the NFL tonight, and they had Junior Seau on talking to Warren Sapp. Sapp asks Seau "3-4 or 4-3?" ...seau said 3-4, and he has more experience in the 4-3 than the 3-4. Now thats saying something, if you ask me.[/quote]


A- I think the reasoning was he didn't do a good job with their D-line. Apparently he didn't get enough out of them, but as some have pointed out there were injuries on the D-line and he had to work with what he had available. All reports are he's a good coach. He just might not have gotten along with the HC.

C- Haslett is a 3-4 guy. Shanahan is bringing in Assistants who work with the 3-4. Shanahan is enamored with the 3-4. My best guess is the 3-4 is a lock. I'm happy with it. "Hopefully" we will finally have an "Attacking" defense vs. the bend don't break BS.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;654463]Alright so if I understand it, this is how the Skin's coaching staff is shaping up. Still they weren't kidding when they said they were going to find and assemble the best coaching staff they could.

[B]Head Coach:[/B] Mike Shanahan
[B]Offensive Coordinator:[/B] Kyle Shanahan
[B]Defensive Coordinator:[/B] Jim Haslet
[B]Special Teams Coordinator:[/B] Possibly Bobby April

[B]QB's:[/B] Chris Meidt (Holdover form previous regime)
[B]RB's:[/B] Bobby Turner (Also will serve as Associate Head Coach)
[B]WR's:[/B] Richard Mann
[B]TE's:[/B] Possibly Scott Wachenheim
[B]OL:[/B] Still looking

[B]LB's:[/B]Lou Spanos
[B]DL:[/B] Possibly Mike Waufle
[B]DB's:[/B] Bob Slowick (There will probably be another coach specializing in safeties or corners)[/quote]

[B]Chris Meidt[/B] I guess could be QB coach but right now I think they have him listed as Offensive Asst.

[B]Richard Mann,[/B] I could be wrong but I don't think he has been offered or said he would take the job as of yet. He was supposed to come for an interview and thats all we know right now. You might want to put "possibly" in front of him also.

Waufle might be a nice pick up so long as he's familiar with a 3-4 defense and it's blocking scheme.

Also I do like the fact that Shanahan is not picking up a bunch of old guys that may have had the game pass them bye or getting ready to retire if and when his son takes over. I hope 3-5 yrs down the road we have a nice young coaching staff still producing good results.

Lastly I still say they need to get April in. Give him more then the highest bidder and talk him into taking the deal. If he's not available who else is available or second best? I just can't stand Smith. HC's talk all the time about the importance of special teams and how thats what makes or breaks your team and Shanahan, Allen, and Snyder are going to just let him slip away? Please. We need this one.

I know Shanahan will have the Offense turned around soon maybe not completely in one year but maybe by year two. The Defense is what I'm more worried about since we are going to change scheme's to a 3-4 and possibly adding and subtracting personell. Haslett I don't think inspires fear with his medocre defenses in the past. Maybe they come out like gang busters and we can forget about it (which I hope happens) but I'm a little concered. So having an awsome ST is very important. Field position will be very important.

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JLC has reported that Danny Smith is being retained as Special Teams Coach. This means we have atleast one more year of ARE returning punts. Hooray.

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JLC is reporting that Danny Smith is likely to stay on. The Skins have denied permission for him to interview with Seattle, Pittsburgh and Detroit.

Mann is almost certain to be named WR coach by this weekend.

Olivadotti possibly in line to be assistant LB coach.

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[quote=SmootSmack;654498]JLC is reporting that the Seahawks interviewed or will interview Jerry Gray for their DC job[/quote]

He also mentioned that "Seattle dline coach Dan Quinn also a finalist and [I]could be a shared job[/I]"

What the hell is Pete Caroll smoking - Jerry Gray and Dan Quinn may [U][I]share[/I][/U] the defensive coordinator job? So they would be co-coordinators?

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[quote=Mattyk;654594]JLC is reporting that Danny Smith is likely to stay on. The Skins have denied permission for him to interview with Seattle, Pittsburgh and Detroit.

Mann is almost certain to be named WR coach by this weekend.

Olivadotti possibly in line to be assistant LB coach.[/quote]

I imagine if Jerry Gray ends up in Seattle, Olivadotti could follow him there.

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The Giants are also interested in Olivadotti

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[quote=Mattyk;654594]JLC is reporting that Danny Smith is likely to stay on. The Skins have denied permission for him to interview with Seattle, Pittsburgh and Detroit.

Mann is almost certain to be named WR coach by this weekend.

Olivadotti possibly in line to be assistant LB coach.[/quote]

KO would get demoted then? Odd, I hadn't heard anything about that

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;654593]JLC has reported that Danny Smith is being retained as Special Teams Coach. This means we have atleast one more year of ARE returning punts. Hooray.[/quote]

Look for the team to make an effort at least to obtain BU players who are more adapt and committed to playing ST. The unit we've employed of late are not the best for the job that needs to be done. Far too many instances where two men on the outside could not block one man on PR teams. Minus ARE as a returner, upgrade personnel where possible and Danny Smith can get the job done. I do like Bobby April's resume though, he could be an upgrade.

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I beleive Danny Smith is a great ST coach - there's just no justification for continuing to put ARE back there to return punts. If ARE gets the axe, i'm fine with retaining Smith.

April would have been nice, but remember, it was SNYDER who wanted April, not Shanahan. Since Smith is being retained, its a nice example indicating Snyder isn't trying to forcing his will upon Shanahan yet.

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I'm thinking ARE may have been one of those players going behind Zorn's back to lobby for playing time. There's no other reasonable explanation as to why they continued to trot him out there to fair catch or have balls bounce off his grill.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;654608]April would have been nice, but remember, it was SNYDER who wanted April, not Shanahan.[/quote]

BS.

Just because one website used the term "Danny" as a synonym for "Redskins" doesn't mean he had anything to do with it.

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[quote=davy;654613]BS.

Just because one website used the term "Danny" as a synonym for "Redskins" doesn't mean he had anything to do with it.[/quote]

Yeah probably PFT just stirring shit up as usual. I don't buy that Snyder would force any hires on Shanahan. Odd that outside of PFT we haven't heard any of this talk about "Snyder being interested in April".

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[quote=Mattyk;654618]Yeah probably PFT just stirring shit up as usual. I don't buy that Snyder would force any hires on Shanahan. Odd that outside of PFT we haven't heard any of this talk about "Snyder being interested in April".[/quote]

Interesting that in PFT's post about Blache's retirement, Florio mentioned that Blache was a member of "PFT Planet" - I wonder if it was Blache who'd been one of Florio's "sources" providing redskins scoops. I certainly think Blache was one of Reid's sources.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;654621]Interesting that in PFT's post about Blache's retirement, Florio mentioned that Blache was a member of "PFT Planet" - I wonder if it was Blache who'd been one of Florio's "sources" providing redskins scoops. I certainly think Blache was one of Reid's sources.[/quote]

"PFT Planet" was simply referring to the fact Blache admitted to checking out PFT online. Why should we assume that means he's a source for them?

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[quote=SBXVII;654585]A- I think the reasoning was he didn't do a good job with their D-line. Apparently he didn't get enough out of them, but as some have pointed out there were injuries on the D-line and he had to work with what he had available. All reports are he's a good coach. He just might not have gotten along with the HC.

C- Haslett is a 3-4 guy. Shanahan is bringing in Assistants who work with the 3-4. Shanahan is enamored with the 3-4. My best guess is the 3-4 is a lock. I'm happy with it. "Hopefully" we will finally have an "Attacking" defense vs. the bend don't break BS.[/quote]

Ok now see we're going after a coach who couldn't do anything with 5 pro bowl lineman, but if he comes here everyone thinks he'll do good with our 1 pro bowl lineman.NO, theres a reason he was fired, and you mentioned it above, that "he didn't do a good job with their D-line. Apparently he didn't get enough out of them". Of course reports from the organization is that he was a good coach, the they want him to get a job. Then again I shouldn't be too mad about this because Haslett isn't any better that guy got fired a lot more.

Haslett has run the 4-3 the past 2 teams he's coached on the saints and rams, so Don't assume that since he ran the 3-4 ten years ago that he'll do that here. Keep in mind everyone that Shanny wanted Zimmer who ran a 4-3 with Cincy and Dallas (Wade Philips brought in the 3-4 to Dallas).

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[quote=CultBrennan59;654630]Ok now see we're going after a coach who couldn't do anything with 5 pro bowl lineman, but if he comes here everyone thinks he'll do good with our 1 pro bowl lineman.NO, theres a reason he was fired, and you mentioned it above, that "he didn't do a good job with their D-line. Apparently he didn't get enough out of them". Of course reports from the organization is that he was a good coach, the they want him to get a job. Then again I shouldn't be too mad about this because Haslett isn't any better that guy got fired a lot more.

Haslett has run the 4-3 the past 2 teams he's coached on the saints and rams, so Don't assume that since he ran the 3-4 ten years ago that he'll do that here. Keep in mind everyone that Shanny wanted Zimmer who ran a 4-3 with Cincy and Dallas (Wade Philips brought in the 3-4 to Dallas).[/quote]

Ding, Ding, Ding. You got it. :) I think Shanahan was looking for the best available DC. Reports were he even contacted Romeo Crennell and Romeo didn't want to interview. So that might have only left Haslett and Zimmer as coach's that have been DCer's before. I don't know. I might have tried someone who is an Asst. with another team before I went with Haslett, but they didn't. For some reason (and I don't know why) Haslett even with his piss poor record as a DC got a HCing job. He has not done anything remarkable as a HC or DC and he keeps popping up. I guess like everyone else we are hoping for whatever reason he flashes this time.

If all I could present to you was Haslett has run a 3-4 in the past I would agree with you that I'm reaching because he has run a 4-3 before. However with the team picking up assistants that utilize the 3-4 and Shanahan interested in running the 3-4 then I'm leaning toward the fact we will have a base 3-4 hybrid most likely.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;654608]I beleive Danny Smith is a great ST coach - there's just no justification for continuing to put ARE back there to return punts. If ARE gets the axe, i'm fine with retaining Smith.

April would have been nice, but remember, it was SNYDER who wanted April, not Shanahan. Since Smith is being retained, its a nice example indicating Snyder isn't trying to forcing his will upon Shanahan yet.[/quote]

Soooo, your ok with a ST coach that stays with ARE fair catching punts, keeping Shuism instead of attempting to get better at that position, keeping the same punter until he got hurt and got lucky with a backup, developes a blocking scheme that nets you 26yrds only on returns? I guess his scheme is good enough cause the bright side is other teams usually don't get a good return.

Edit: Big,... have you been taking your medicine lately? Whats with all the positive feed back? ;) sorry gotta pick.

I don't know if April refused to interview or not but if he didn't the Skins need to get him. Screw Smith.

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Fact is Smith is a quality ST coach in this league. 3 teams have already been turned down to interview him.

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[quote=Mattyk;654610]I'm thinking ARE may have been one of those players going behind Zorn's back to lobby for playing time. There's no other reasonable explanation as to why they continued to trot him out there to fair catch or have balls bounce off his grill.[/quote]

He went behind Smith's back to go to Zorn. I wouldn't even say it was behind his back per se. Smith tried a couple of times to bench him, thought he had. ARE decided to take it up with the head coach and plead his case and Smith was overruled.

Not Redskins related but apparently Perry Fewell will be the new Giants DC

Heard the name Jedd Fisch-current OC at the U. of Minnesota mentioned a couple of times as a possibility for the Redskins. Not sure in what capacity.

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[quote=Mattyk;654678]Fact is Smith is a quality ST coach in this league. 3 teams have already been turned down to interview him.[/quote]

I guess I could be wrong, but if I had a coach and might have an opportunity to get a better coach but it's not a sure thing then I certainly wouldn't let my only coach I have on hand go interview for other jobs. My luck the coach I wanted (April) would either decline the job or decline the interview (as I've heard has happened) and lose out on my only coach I already had (Smith).

The Skins did the same thing with the DC spot. They had Gray, interviewed Haslett, and wanted to interview Zimmer. Zimmer didn't happen, leaving Gray and Haslett. It wasn't until Haslett was signed that Gray was free to interview for other jobs, ie; Seattle.

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[quote=SmootSmack;654704]He went behind Smith's back to go to Zorn. I wouldn't even say it was behind his back per se. Smith tried a couple of times to bench him, thought he had. ARE decided to take it up with the head coach and plead his case and Smith was overruled.

Not Redskins related but apparently Perry Fewell will be the new Giants DC

Heard the name Jedd Fisch-current OC at the U. of Minnesota mentioned a couple of times as a possibility for the Redskins. Not sure in what capacity.[/quote]

Looking at Fisch's history he worked with Baltimore as a WR's coach in 04-07. Then worked in Denver in 08 as the WR coach. Maybe he worked with Shanahan?

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[quote=SmootSmack;654704]He went behind Smith's back to go to Zorn. I wouldn't even say it was behind his back per se. Smith tried a couple of times to bench him, thought he had. ARE decided to take it up with the head coach and plead his case and Smith was overruled.
[/quote]

wow. i guess i can't say i'm surprised, though. i wonder if we'll ever find out exactly how bad of a coach Zorn really was.

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[quote=SBXVII;654709]I guess I could be wrong, but if I had a coach and might have an opportunity to get a better coach but it's not a sure thing then I certainly wouldn't let my only coach I have on hand go interview for other jobs. My luck the coach I wanted (April) would either decline the job or decline the interview (as I've heard has happened) and lose out on my only coach I already had (Smith).

The Skins did the same thing with the DC spot. They had Gray, interviewed Haslett, and wanted to interview Zimmer. Zimmer didn't happen, leaving Gray and Haslett. It wasn't until Haslett was signed that Gray was free to interview for other jobs, ie; Seattle.[/quote]

Of course the Skins are covering their bases, my point was that he has some solid interest from other teams around the league. He's a good coach, that's all I'm saying.

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I don't care what JLC says about Danny Smith, he never was right about anything redskins from the time he was with the washington post

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[quote=Mattyk;654731]Of course the Skins are covering their bases, my point was that he has some solid interest from other teams around the league. He's a good coach, that's all I'm saying.[/quote]

I know. I keep hearing so much BS out of the media now. First it was Snyder's interested in April. Then it was a meeting is set up for after Pitt and SF. Then we hear he is in Cali for a speaking engagement to follow his interview with SF. Yesterday no meeting has been scheduled. Yesterday it was April wants too much money. Today its he may have canceled his interview with the Skins. Only to see another media person write April has a meeting set up.

If he has not said "no" to the Skins and is willing to interview they need to get him.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;654736]I don't care what JLC says about Danny Smith, he never was right about anything redskins from the time he was with the washington post[/quote]

he reported just about every other hire we've made hours/days before we found out about it elsewhere. no reason not to beleive that.

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[quote=SBXVII;654746]I know. I keep hearing so much BS out of the media now. First it was Snyder's interested in April. Then it was a meeting is set up for after Pitt and SF. Then we hear he is in Cali for a speaking engagement to follow his interview with SF. Yesterday no meeting has been scheduled. Yesterday it was April wants too much money. Today its he may have canceled his interview with the Skins. Only to see another media person write April has a meeting set up.

If he has not said "no" to the Skins and is willing to interview they need to get him.[/quote]

I was talking about Danny Smith just to be clear

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[quote=Mattyk;654761]I was talking about Danny Smith just to be clear[/quote]

Yes I know. I kinda went off on a tangient about April again. Sorry.

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[quote=SBXVII;654805]Yes I know. I kinda went off on a tangient about April again. Sorry.[/quote]

Thought so just wanted to make sure. I'm fine with either guy for the record. No sense in busting the bank on April when we already have a solid guy in Smith, we'll see.

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[B][quote=dmek25;654567]why does this matter to you? are you helping Snyder pay these guys?[/quote][/B]

Yes we are, do you have a Redskin jersey do you buy tickets etc.

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I wanted April myself...but more importantly I now trust the Redskins decision makers so Smith is fine with me.

I think ARE was our main special teams problem and it seems to be unclear if keeping him back there was even Smith's decision.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;654811][B][/B]

Yes we are, do you have a Redskin jersey do you buy tickets etc.[/quote]

Exactly...the reason Danny charges massive parking fees etc. is b/c he pays these outrageous contracts to players/coaches who don't deserve it. Put a good quality on the field and I'll be happy to pay but no thanks till then.

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[B]Head Coach:[/B] Mike Shanahan
[B]Offensive Coordinator:[/B] Kyle Shanahan
[B]Defensive Coordinator:[/B] Jim Haslet
[B]Special Teams Coordinator:[/B] Danny Smith

[B]QB's:[/B] Chris Meidt (Holdover form previous regime, possibly could end up as an offensive consultant))
[B]RB's:[/B] Bobby Turner (Also will serve as Associate Head Coach)
[B]WR's:[/B] Richard Mann
[B]TE's:[/B] Possibly Scott Wachenheim
[B]OL:[/B] Possibly Jeff Jagodzinski

[B]LB's:[/B]Lou Spanos
[B]DL:[/B] Possibly Mike Waufle or Tim Krumrie
[B]DB's:[/B] Bob Slowick (There will probably be another coach specializing in safeties or corners, basically which ever one Slowick doesn't coach)

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Has Waufle interviewed with us? I would like to hear that he has signed up.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;654886]Has Waufle interviewed with us? I would like to hear that he has signed up.[/quote]

Maybe he got an offer but is Waufling on whether to accept...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;654886]Has Waufle interviewed with us? I would like to hear that he has signed up.[/quote]

Yes, he has. Per Redskins Insider:
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/shanahans-coaching-staff-the-s.html#more]Redskins Insider - Shanahan's coaching staff: the story so far[/url]
[quote]Former Giants assistant Mike Waufle could coach the defensive line. Several New York papers, as well as NFL.com, have reported Waufle's interview with the Redskins, and though Waufle was fired by the Giants -- whose defensive line played poorly over the second half of the season, contributing to a collapse -- he maintains a solid reputation in the game. He previously coached the Raiders' defensive line from 1998-2003, years that overlapped with Redskins General Manager Bruce Allen's time in Oakland. Another candidate mentioned by NFL.com: Tim Krumrie, the former Cincinnati Begnal defensive lineman who was a longtime Cincinnati assistant. He spent 2009 with Kansas City, but was fired last week.[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;654891]Yes, he has. Per Redskins Insider:
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/shanahans-coaching-staff-the-s.html#more]Redskins Insider - Shanahan's coaching staff: the story so far[/url][/quote]

Pretty interesting that Shanahan asked Bugel to stay.

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[quote=Ruhskins;654894]Pretty interesting that Shanahan asked Bugel to stay.[/quote]

Not surprising though, Shannahans two best personal options got jobs elsewhere Bugel is easily one of the best line coaches in the league. Maybe in the end Bugel was a little to loyal to this bunch of guys but I wouldn't be surprised if one of them turned out to be a steal (*cough* Edwin Williams *cough*).

[quote]Bugel thinks Shanahan will figure out a way to build off the existing personnel and said several players benefited from the adversity faced by this season's line.[/quote]

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[quote=celts32;654814]I wanted April myself...but more importantly I now trust the Redskins decision makers so Smith is fine with me.

I think ARE was our main special teams problem and it seems to be unclear if keeping him back there was even Smith's decision.[/quote]

No, there was also the issue of whoever we put back there didn't get far either. Ever see Moss run a punt back for a TD lately? Um, No. Ever see Thomas run the KR back for a TD? Um, No. It's obvious that part of the problem is the scheme.