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I think we actually have the 4th and 37th picks (5th pick in the 2nd round)

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[quote=53Fan;662881]^ So the absolute best way to go would be to draft o-line with the first 2 picks. :) I'll take R. Okung and C. Brown...T. Williams...B. [B]Buluga[/B]. Whichever is still there in the second. I mean the odds are in our favor we'd get 2 young starters for the o-line right?[/quote]

Buluga....Second Round....????? *very confused face* You do realize that Buluga is being projected right now as a top 10 pick right?

[quote]Iowa OT Bryan Bulaga (6-6, 311); Grade: 94 -- Bulaga jumps from No. 20 to No. 6 in large part because he appears far more comfortable in pass protection on the left side than Oklahoma's Trent Williams.

Bulaga isn't as explosive or as athletic as Rutgers OT Anthony Davis (No. 4 overall to Washington), but Bulaga is quick enough to prevent edge rushers from turning the corner and shows excellent balance when forced to change directions quickly. Bulaga also has the frame, strength and toughness to develop into an effective drive blocker.

Bulaga could continue to climb and jump ahead of Oklahoma State OT Russell Okung, who played well enough to be an early first-round pick but did not dominate the point of attack as we expected. Bulaga is also helped by the changes to the final draft order, which now has three teams with significant need at offensive tackle among the top six overall picks.[/quote]

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I could see Bulaga to the late 1st, maybe even the top of the 2nd. More likely late 1st though

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[quote=SmootSmack;662891]I could see Bulaga to the late 1st, maybe even the top of the 2nd. More likely late 1st though[/quote]

That would be a blessing if he made it to the second. Though I'm sure even then he would get snatched up before the fifth pick. Personally I loved the Pro Draft Party video on him. He's got a mean streak in him but at the same time he appears to be pretty athletic.

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Anyone have any thoughts on Koa Misi?

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[quote=53Fan;662881]^ So the absolute best way to go would be to draft o-line with the first 2 picks. :) I'll take R. Okung and C. Brown...T. Williams...B. Buluga. Whichever is still there in the second. I mean the odds are in our favor we'd get 2 young starters for the o-line right?[/quote]

It's impossible to argue w/ this kind of sound logic 53 ;)

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[quote=SmootSmack;662898]Anyone have any thoughts on Koa Misi?[/quote]

From what I've read he projects to be a late round pick and will be converted from a DE to a 3-4 LB. Good size. Could be worth a shot.

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[quote=SmootSmack;662898]Anyone have any thoughts on Koa Misi?[/quote]

Now that's the kind of thinking that builds teams into perennial contenders. He looks to be a mid - late round pick who showed up solidly at the Senior Bowl. A hybrid type, high motor guy who could be a good piece to build a defense with.

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[quote=53Fan;662881]^ So the absolute best way to go would be to draft o-line with the first 2 picks. :) I'll take R. Okung and C. Brown...T. Williams...B. Buluga. Whichever is still there in the second. I mean the odds are in our favor we'd get 2 young starters for the o-line right?[/quote]If I was running the team, I'd draft a LT with the 4th overall pick, and a RT with the 37th overall pick. The RT market is pretty strong this year (might even be able to trade down), while the LT market, you pretty much need to pick in the top ten or nail a sleeper.

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I find myself torn on JC. I mean I look at the poor line play and I see a guy who was able to get an 86.4 rating despite pressure being constantly in his face. Then I see the guy who couldn't put up over 200 yards passing against the Giants on 28 pass attempts but Todd Collins gets 57 yards in 4 attempts (by the way might not be the worse idea to keep Collins instead of Colt).

How much of the yardage was garbage yardage from teams playing prevent after building a great lead on our bend don't break defense? Do you guys have THAT MUCH FAITH in JC, or are you truly scared of the prospect of a rookie QB. I mean what if we get similar results next year? Are you guys going to look at the rookie QB class and say "no, next years will be stronger, yeah definitely not this one."

Either way I don't care if it's Bradrod, Clausen, or even McCoy. We need a plan B. This is a very good QB class and I'd rather get a one year jump on a young QB while we're rebuilding rather then making sure the line is absolutley Madden perfect before we even consider going through the growing pains of adding a rookie QB.

And on a slightly seperate note: Do not, I repeat DO NOT, tell me that when Matt Ryan came into the Falcons as a rookie that they had their line situated. Their line was actually just as bad as ours giving up 47 sacks in 2007 and the only real addition was Sam Baker who started a grand total of 5 games.

I've seen this argument on ES as a way to discourage people for calling for a rookie QB and while thats just fine and dandy over there I will not tolerate it over here. It's also fine if you don't want us to draft a QB,there's no right or wrong answer at this point and there are strong points for both sides, I myself frequently find myself torn between my love for the line and my knowing the importance of the QB position but for the love of God please stick to the facts.

Cabin Fever FTW (you guys aren't the only ones snowed in)

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[quote=SmootSmack;662898]Anyone have any thoughts on Koa Misi?[/quote]

Sound like he's a "CAN'T MISI" prospect a hahahahahah........recharge.

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Buluga looked real good in that tape posted... I like this legend!

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Redskins Reps met with Misi at the Senior Bowl, which is why I ask. Doesn't mean they'll draft him, last year they spoke to Clay Matthews at the Senior Bowl

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[quote=SmootSmack;662940]Redskins Reps met with Misi at the Senior Bowl, which is why I ask. Doesn't mean they'll draft him, last year they spoke to Clay Matthews at the Senior Bowl[/quote]

i have gotten most of your daily title changes but what is frisbee suposed to mean?

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[quote=mlmdub130;662951]i have gotten most of your daily title changes but what is frisbee suposed to mean?[/quote]

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_on_sp_ot/us_obit_frisbee_inventor]Frisbee inventor dies at 90 - Yahoo! News[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;662958][url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_on_sp_ot/us_obit_frisbee_inventor]Frisbee inventor dies at 90 - Yahoo! News[/url][/quote]

that sucks, but i always thought marty mcfly invented the frisbee

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What are the chances of getting a Franchise QB who's a junior in the first round? From what I've read only 2 of the last 15 taken in the first round were.

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[quote=53Fan;662968]What are the chances of getting a Franchise QB who's a junior in the first round? From what I've read only 2 of the last 15 taken in the first round were.[/quote]

What QB's or Franchise guys? And if so are you tentatively including Stafford and Sanchez?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;662969]What QB's or Franchise guys? And if so are you tentatively including Stafford and Sanchez?[/quote]

I can't get the link to work and I'm too tired to list them. Look up, History: Drafting Junior QBs in 1st Round of NFL Draft. It's a really good article. Maybe you can post it Dirtbag. I'm a little....:sleep:

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[quote=53Fan;662970]I can't get the link to work and I'm too tired to list them. Look up, History: Drafting Junior QBs in 1st Round of NFL Draft. It's a really good article.[/quote]

Ahahahahahaha
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[quote=Dirtbag359;662971]Ahahahahahaha
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That's it brother! There's a really good article that goes along with it.

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[quote=53Fan;662972]That's it brother![/quote]

I think they missed a few give me a second.

[B]Aaron Rodgers [/B]
[quote]As a junior, Rodgers led California to the No. 4 regular season ranking.
After the season, Rodgers entered the 2005 NFL Draft[/quote]

[B]Rex Grossman[/B]
[quote]Grossman decided to forego his final year of collegiate eligibility and declared for the NFL Draft. Grossman achieved many feats during his collegiate career, including either breaking or approaching many of the records set by Danny Wuerffel, [/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;662973]I think they missed a few give me a second.[/quote]

It's the article from midwestsportsfans. There's a good article that goes along with it about teams reaching. I'll try to post it tomorrow when I'm more awake......Here it is.

[url=http://www.sportsviews.com/complete_article/25655]A Historical Perspective on the Unsuccessful History of Drafting Junior QBs in the First Round[/url]

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Im kind of dreading who we select first round. I want OL.

Im more interested on later round picks...

if we land DEXTER MCCLUSTER ill be as happy as it gets.

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I thought this was kind of crazy. I know scouting reports are frequently wrong but JC's was pretty spot on:

[B]Strengths[/B]: Has good overall size and the frame to get even bigger. Is a smooth athlete with above average foot quickness. Show good quickness in his drops. Long legs and gets a deep drop because of stride. He does not have elite arm strength but he is strong enough to make all the NFL throws.

Better zip when throwing right. At his best working short-to-intermediate zones. Shows good touch and timing. His delivery is one of the areas he's most improved. Much more compact and has a high release point. He did not make a lot of big plays on his own at the collegiate level but he really developed into a caretaker.

A quiet leader but came into his own as a senior. Extremely hard working and coaches have nothing but good things to say regarding his intangibles. Is a mild-mannered QB that doesn't seem to get over-excited. Also has become much less volatile in face of pass rush.

[B]Weaknesses[/B]: Long accuracy continues to stand out as a problem. The deeper the throw the less consistent he is. Field vision is improved but still not good. Doesn't see entire field, misses too many open WR's. Is a better than average athlete and good scrambler but not a big threat to run. Lacks explosive top-end speed and elusiveness.

[B]Summary[/B]: Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003.

He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record.

Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career.

Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ran out of time, missed open receivers downfield and overthrew too many of the receivers that he did find open.

However, No player improved his draft value more in 2004 than Campbell. After struggling through three extremely inconsistent and unfulfilling seasons, Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make.

As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.

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screw Quarterback. We should go with the almost guarenteed potential Okung. But what about CJ Spiller? It appears risky but we could be passing up a gem.

who knows... Shanny might like him? its just we need youth and talent at OL so badly.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wf0kC-w9lU]YouTube - CJ Spiller for Heisman '09[/url]

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found this video of clausen - after the BC game.

intresting and i like it. did what he did then walked away. the walking away is the part i like, shows he got some fight to him but enough self control to walk away.

other young college players probably would have gotten all heated and turned it into something bigger a la blount.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5A5dfDc1M]YouTube - Clausen takes no Sheot after the BC game.. 2009[/url]

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[quote=Skins4L;663189]screw Quarterback. We should go with the almost guarenteed potential Okung. But what about CJ Spiller? It appears risky but we could be passing up a gem.

who knows... Shanny might like him? its just we need youth and talent at OL so badly.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wf0kC-w9lU]YouTube - CJ Spiller for Heisman '09[/url][/quote]

So you want the safe pick in Okung but you're willing for us to draft Reggie Bush redux at 4?

[quote=over the mountain;663216]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5A5dfDc1M]YouTube - Clausen takes no Sheot after the BC game.. 2009[/url][/quote]

Great stuff. I like how he's a firey guy. Personally I can't remember the last time we had that type of guy under center. Either one, Bradford or Clausen will be a great fit here. Campbell is good but he's getting very close to reaching his potential which unfortunately is probably good enough to only get us as far as the NFC Championship if we're lucky.

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Clausen is going to be on NFL Live today, talking about prep for the combine.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;663252]So you want the safe pick in Okung but you're willing for us to draft Reggie Bush redux at 4?



Great stuff. I like how he's a firey guy. Personally I can't remember the last time we had that type of guy under center. Either one, Bradford or Clausen will be a great fit here. [B]Campbell is good but he's getting very close to reaching his potential which unfortunately is probably good enough to only get us as far as the NFC Championship if we're lucky.[/B][/quote]


Exactly how do you measure that?

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[quote=mredskins;663265]Exactly how do you measure that?[/quote]

Ironically with his rookie scouting report. Everything they've said so far has pretty much been spot on in terms of how he was expected to develop as a pro. I posted it somewhere else but I'll find it. Just give me a second.


[quote=Dirtbag359;663153]I thought this was kind of crazy. I know scouting reports are frequently wrong but JC's was pretty spot on:

[B]Strengths[/B]: Has good overall size and the frame to get even bigger. Is a smooth athlete with above average foot quickness. Show good quickness in his drops. Long legs and gets a deep drop because of stride. He does not have elite arm strength but he is strong enough to make all the NFL throws.

Better zip when throwing right. At his best working short-to-intermediate zones. Shows good touch and timing. His delivery is one of the areas he's most improved. Much more compact and has a high release point. He did not make a lot of big plays on his own at the collegiate level but he really developed into a caretaker.

A quiet leader but came into his own as a senior. Extremely hard working and coaches have nothing but good things to say regarding his intangibles. Is a mild-mannered QB that doesn't seem to get over-excited. Also has become much less volatile in face of pass rush.

[B]Weaknesses[/B]: Long accuracy continues to stand out as a problem. The deeper the throw the less consistent he is. Field vision is improved but still not good. Doesn't see entire field, misses too many open WR's. Is a better than average athlete and good scrambler but not a big threat to run. Lacks explosive top-end speed and elusiveness.

[B]Summary[/B]: Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003.

He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record.

Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career.

Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ran out of time, missed open receivers downfield and overthrew too many of the receivers that he did find open.

However, No player improved his draft value more in 2004 than Campbell. After struggling through three extremely inconsistent and unfulfilling seasons, Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make.

As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.[/quote]

Read this and tell me thats not spot on. To me it's scary how accurate this is. From the positives with accuracy on short to intermediate routes to the problems with deep ball accuracy.

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^ I meant more in terms of how we evaluate QB's to the level of the playoffs they will take us.

You said he will only get us to the NFC Champ game, I don't understand why you picked that level.

Does this mean Colt will only take us to the Wild Card round?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;663269]Ironically with his rookie scouting report. Everything they've said so far has pretty much been spot on in terms of how he was expected to develop as a pro. I posted it somewhere else but I'll find it. Just give me a second.




Read this and tell me thats not spot on. [B]To me it's scary how accurate this is. [/B] From the positives with accuracy on short to intermediate routes to the problems with deep ball accuracy.[/quote]

Basically its like we have a rookie QB who isn't getting better.


Good thing he wont be here like that no more.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;663269]Ironically with his rookie scouting report. Everything they've said so far has pretty much been spot on in terms of how he was expected to develop as a pro. I posted it somewhere else but I'll find it. Just give me a second.




Read this and tell me thats not spot on. To me it's scary how accurate this is. From the positives with accuracy on short to intermediate routes to the problems with deep ball accuracy.[/quote]

Where did you get this scouting report from, and what does it say about bradford, clausen, kafka, robinson, lefevour?

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[quote=mredskins;663273]^ I meant more in terms of how we evaluate QB's to the level of the playoffs they will take us.

You said he will only get us to the NFC Champ game, I don't understand why you picked that level.

Does this mean Colt will only take us to the Wild Card round?[/quote]

Thats just a case of looking at the skill level of Super Bowl QB's (guys who got there). Guys like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Big Ben, Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, Tom Brady. Of that group the only guy I can see Campbells max potential on par with is Eli Manning, and recently Eli's taken his game to another level since winning the Super Bowl.

Being more specific that difficulty reading defenses will kill us in the playoffs unless we can pick up the slack elsewhere either with a dominant running or elite defense, and even then it's difficult to win, especially if you're facing another top flight QB. You saw an example of that this year with the Jets when they faced the Colts. Plus in the playoffs thats were you see the most difficult and elaborate defenses.

Do you really think that even with protection Campbell will be able to dissect them? Even when Campbell had protection we barely beat the Eagles back in 2008. Those are the type of defenses you will see come playoff time. Campbell will either have to unexpectedly evolve or we'll need to find a new QB.

If you want to make it to the playoffs by the skin of your teeth and possibly have a lucky run at the Super Bowl then Campbell is your guy. If you want to be a threat to not only make it, but win it every year then we'd be smart to take a risk one of the top two QB's assuming they end up evaluated as potential franchise QB's.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;663296]Where did you get this scouting report from, and what does it say about bradford, clausen, kafka, robinson, lefevour?[/quote]

Damn slow down :D. Way to many guys for me to post. And keep in mind sometimes they're wrong. Campbells was a case though where it was litterally spot on. The report itself is from Scouts Inc via ESPN.

Still I will post Bradford and Clausen just give me a second.

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Posted in a new thread. It was taking up to much room here.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35239-lessons-of-brees-extended-to-clausen.html#post663311[/url]

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according to sportscenter this evening, both kiper and mcshay have bradford at one (on their qb boards). i am not saying i want to take a qb with our 4th pick, but if shanahan&co decide thats the move, bradford is the man i want. the descriptor of "cerebral quarterback" is very encouraging.

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[quote=johno;663308]according to sportscenter this evening, both kiper and mcshay have bradford at one (on their qb boards). i am not saying i want to take a qb with our 4th pick, but if shanahan&co decide thats the move, bradford is the man i want. the descriptor of "cerebral quarterback" is very encouraging.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better.

The thing with Bradford why everyone likes him is because he has the two traits which just about every football coach in america looks at;
Is he accurate?
and is he a winner?

Definitley, and yes.

And for all you Clausen supporters, sure he was at Notre Dame and they didn't win that much his 3 years there because of defense issues, but there were a few games, stanford one of them, where clausen had a chance to take his offense down the field and win, which he was unable to do. He's also got Philip Rivers/Tom Brady attitude problems, where as Sam Bradfords got Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner attitude problems...none at all.

and thank you Dirtbag for your evaluations of the two best QB's in this years draft.