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Remember the idea that those who can, do, and those who can't, teach? There are a number of great QB coaches and mentors who were not very good QB's.

I think JC would be an excellent mentor for our (still mythical) young qb. He has just the right unselfish attitude and toughness to take a newbie under his wings.

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Yeah often the greats make the worst coaches and have no interest in taking a young guy under their wing.

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[quote=irish;665754]True but currently JC isnt a coach, he's a QB, and the new QB is the guy trying to take his job. Its a totally different dynamic.[/quote]
Yeah well we have a QB coach, JC won't be the only one teaching him.

JC's value in mentoring would be helping a guy deal with the mental toughness, picking yourself up off of the ground and going at it again, dealing with the questioning of ability, playbook stuff, etc..

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[quote=mattyk;665769]yeah often the greats make the worst coaches and have no interest in taking a young guy under their wing.[/quote]
lookin like a fool with your pants on the ground

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[quote=SmootSmack;665758]irish, just a week ago you said this:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/664393-post110.html[/url]

What changed your mind?[/quote]

If the choice was a rookie QB and someone like Colt then I would keep JC. If its a rookie and someone like Pennington then I'd let JC go.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816b87e8&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Redskins issue first-round tenders to Campbell, Rogers[/url]

It's official now

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Watching the Raiders try to tender players has to be the equivalent of NFL stand-up comedy.

Player who has led the team in tackles the last five years: 3rd round tender. Player who has more or less busted at CB and brings only height-speed to the table: 1st and 3rd round tender.

Not to suggest that they're overvaluing Morrison at a 3rd round tender, it would probably be a good deal for them to get a 3rd rounder for him now, but I have no idea what standard that team is on.

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Tendering Campbell for a first only is liking inviting the rest of the league to bid on him. They want him gone. If they were okay with going into next year with him wouldn't they tender him for a 1st and a 3rd and take a shot at getting 2 picks? They must want to swap Campbell for somebody's 1st-round pick and then use the 2 1st-rounders to trade up for Bradford.

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[quote=flaherty;668574]Tendering Campbell for a first only is liking inviting the rest of the league to bid on him. They want him gone. If they were okay with going into next year with him wouldn't they tender him for a 1st and a 3rd and take a shot at getting 2 picks? They must want to swap Campbell for somebody's 1st-round pick and then use the 2 1st-rounders to trade up for Bradford.[/quote]

Welcome aboard. I don't know how much we can assume about Shanny. Bradford is getting tons of hype but I doubt that means much to our FO. Shanny knows the needs of his system best and what he want from a QB. Certainly possible Bradford is a good fit, but I haven't heard anyone say as much (and I don't have enough knowledge to make an evaluation).

...historically all I can say is Shanny has only seemed to get solid offensive production out of QBs who have a relatively quick release and enough arm to tattoo the WR. Evidently Bradford has a quick release, but I haven't seen any video of him firing a bullet.

So it's conceivable Shanny and the FO simply don't want JC but don't have Bradford strictly targeted. There are a handful of vets out there who IMO would be better mentors for a rookie QB (Pennington and Garcia namely).

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I'm telling you all, we'll probably trade JC and our first for St. Louis's first (maybe we throw in someone like Rocky) to get Bradford.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;668588]I'm telling you all, we'll probably trade JC and our first for St. Louis's first (maybe we throw in someone like Rocky) to get Bradford.[/quote]

I will break the record for expletives in a single post if we pull that move... Even Vinny wouldn't do that.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;668588]I'm telling you all, we'll probably trade JC and our first for St. Louis's first (maybe we throw in someone like Rocky) to get Bradford.[/quote]

[IMG]http://www.cultofmac.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/DoubleFacePalm.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668591]I will break the record for expletives in a single post if we pull that move... Even Vinny wouldn't do that.[/quote]

Then what would we do to move up to the 1st overall pick? Are you saying we'd trade our first and Rocky for their first? They need a QB, so I don't doubt this happening.

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Lmfao^^^^^^

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Seriously, why the assumptions Shanny has fallen head over heals for Bradford or Clausen?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;668599]Then what would we do to move up to the 1st overall pick? Are you saying we'd trade our first and Rocky for their first? They need a QB, so I don't doubt this happening.[/quote]We're not moving up into the top three.

I think we'll move up in the draft at some point, but we're going to be using the 4th overall pick on someone high on our board.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;668599]Then what would we do to move up to the 1st overall pick? Are you saying we'd trade our first and Rocky for their first? They need a QB, so I don't doubt this happening.[/quote]


I don't see us moving up to the #1 pick. Teams don't want the #1 pick anymore unless there is an absolute can't miss franchise QB or Left Tackle.

I haven't heard anyone say that Sam Bradford is the next Peyton Manning.

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Sam Bradford is the next Peyton Manning

...if Peyton had a weak arm and half the football IQ :)

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people say you don't want to have the number 1 pick, but people, we are the redskins and this is an uncapped year, and we have a need for a QB. We've got the money to get these FA's and the QB shanny wants.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;668624]people say you don't want to have the number 1 pick, but people, we are the redskins and this is an uncapped year, and we have a need for a QB. We've got the money to get these FA's and the QB shanny wants.[/quote]If we ask really nicely, I wonder if the Rams will just let us have the first overall pick. We'll tell them it's what Shanny really wants. They can't say no to that.

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[quote=The Goat;668606]Sam Bradford is the next Peyton Manning

...if Peyton had a weak arm and half the football IQ :)[/quote]

Ohhhh. To be honest though I'd be happy with the next Phillip Rivers. And by the way, having half of Peytons football IQ isn't an insult. To do that you would need to start with 1/49 of Peytons football IQ then work your way down.

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[quote=GTripp0012;668602]
I think we'll move up in the draft at some point, but we're going to be using the 4th overall pick on someone high on our board.[/quote]

So neither Bradford nor Clausen is high on the board? I can believe that, but the FO clearly wants a new QB, yeah? Do they want to pick one in the later rounds?

Thanks for welcoming me, Mr. Goat. This is fun.

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[quote=flaherty;668636][B]So neither Bradford nor Clausen is high on the board? [/B]I can believe that, but the FO clearly wants a new QB, yeah? Do they want to pick one in the later rounds?

Thanks for welcoming me, Mr. Goat. This is fun.[/quote]I didn't say that, as I'm sure Bradford is quite high on the board. I think he might end up being No. 1 or No. 2 on the Skins board, with Okung being the other. And I certainly wouldn't be shocked if Clausen is in the top ten on our board.

I think there's no doubt they will take a quarterback at some point. If not Bradford/Clausen/McCoy, then maybe Zac Robinson or Max Hall a lot later.

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From what I have been reading on some of the Combine/draft sites, Bradford has overtaken Suh as the new #1 on the mocks. Clausen has risen also. If this trend holds til draft day, we are looking at Clausen. I think we need Okung and build the line. Most of the QBs are expected to go in the 6th or 7th. Brown from WVU had an outstanding combine, but from what I read his mental game is lacking, but they expect him to go in rounds 2-4 since he is so athletic. We can get Lefevour then, or even Stull. Kafka had a decent combine himself.

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Umm, if Tebow really wows on his pro day, I think the Redskins should strongly consider trading down some spots, but not ahead Jacksonville, and grab him. IF he does well, we'd have a great athlete who gives a psychological boost and could be a great QB--he's pretty smart too.

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TEBOW? why would we waste a 1st round pick on Tebow? Shanny is trying to win now and we have sooo many needs we can't afford to waste a 1 on a frekkin project..

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I'd totally stay away from Tebow in the first round. I don't care if he threw the ball through a brick wall at the combine.

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[quote=Eknox;668660]TEBOW? why would we waste a 1st round pick on Tebow? Shanny is trying to win now and we have sooo many needs we can't afford to waste a 1 on a frekkin project..[/quote]

Little return now, but huge returns in the future, IF he shows signs that he can fix his stuff that needs fixing.
And I said they should try to trade down a few spots, just staying ahead of Jacksonville.

Bradford's likely going to be a project in his own right. After all, his coordinators have read the defense for him since forever.

Besides, Shanahan probably still believes he can coach anyone up(well, except the Brian Grieses of the world)

And if Jason Campbell is able to prevent reverting to his rookie/college mechanics(an to me, he has), then Tebow can surely do it.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;668665]Little return now, but huge returns in the future, IF he shows signs that he can fix his stuff that needs fixing.
And I said they should try to trade down a few spots, just staying ahead of Jacksonville.

Bradford's likely going to be a project in his own right. After all, his coordinators have read the defense for him since forever.

Besides, Shanahan probably still believes he can coach anyone up(well, except the Brian Grieses of the world)

And if Jason Campbell is able to prevent reverting to his rookie/college mechanics(an to me, he has), then Tebow can surely do it.[/quote]


That is pretty funny! Thanks for the laugh!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668666]That is pretty funny! Thanks for the laugh![/quote]
I used a bunch of ifs and yet there are ignored. Why hate the word so much?

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Wow! he truly believes it.. Tebow ...Bradford....:lol:

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I'll take the Brennan project over the Tebow project any day...

One guy has been a seasoned passer who loves to ball out there. The other guy took off and ran way more than any NFL QB not named Vick ever should (and that's the Vick of 4-5 years ago not today probably). Tebow will get slaughtered in the NFL unless he starts over.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;668668]I used a bunch of ifs and yet there are ignored. Why hate the word so much?[/quote]

I won't jump on this too much because, hell, there is always a chance that Tebow revolutionizes the position.

Now, I would say I have a better chance of winning the Powerball this week but we never know.

Tebow is arguably the best college quarterback of all time but Kiper has him as a third rounder at best and that is asuming that he plays another position.

If we took Tebow in the first round, I may give up watching the NFL altogether.

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[quote=The Goat;668672]I'll take the Brennan project over the Tebow project any day...

One guy has been a seasoned passer who loves to ball out there. The other guy took off and ran way more than any NFL QB not named Vick ever should (and that's the Vick of 4-5 years ago not today probably). Tebow will get slaughtered in the NFL unless he starts over.[/quote]

Brennan sure didn't like looking downfield when flushed from the pocket this preseason.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668674]I won't jump on this too much because, hell, there is always a chance that Tebow revolutionizes the position.

Now, I would say I have a better chance of winning the Powerball this week but we never know.

Tebow is arguably the best college quarterback of all time but Kiper has him as a third rounder at best and that is asuming that he plays another position.

[B]If we took Tebow in the first round, I may give up watching the NFL altogether.[/B][/quote]

Quitter!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668674]I won't jump on this too much because, hell, there is always a chance that Tebow revolutionizes the position.

Now, I would say I have a better chance of winning the Powerball this week but we never know.

Tebow is arguably the best college quarterback of all time but Kiper has him as a third rounder at best and that is asuming that he plays another position.

If we took Tebow in the first round, I may give up watching the NFL altogether.[/quote]Don't worry, Jason Campbell or Colt Brennan will be playing in 2010.
But Tebow won't be coming here if he stinks it up on his Pro Day.

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Funny how everybody bashes Colt for a bad preseason last year, but nobody points out that he was battling a hip injury that required eventual surgery, and put him on injured reserve.

I suspect Colt will look like his old self again this year....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;668717]Funny how everybody bashes Colt for a bad preseason last year, but nobody points out that he was battling a hip injury that required eventual surgery, and put him on injured reserve.

I suspect Colt will look like his old self again this year....[/quote]

Very possible...he's shown up before.

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Well the tendered offer for Campbell now is just a 1st rounder.

I was pretty sure no team would give a 1st and 3rd for him, but with some teams desperate at QB, do you think his chances of being moved are better now??

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[quote=SolidSnake84;668757]Well the tendered offer for Campbell now is just a 1st rounder.

I was pretty sure no team would give a 1st and 3rd for him, but with some teams desperate at QB, do you think his chances of being moved are better now??[/quote]

I think this says we are willing to trade, if we know we can get a quality QB out of it. JC is not going anywhere for a 1st. A first and third would have said he is basically untouchable, a first says we like him, think he has some value, and are willing to negotiate if we can get a QB. We won't give him up just for picks unless we know we have someone there to pitch the ball around and the draft is not guaranteed to do that.

Just my .02