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[quote=Buster;668244][B]2. No Lion! Detroit wants to deal[/B]

The [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/detroit-lions/67045"]Lions[/URL], who pick second in the first round, have their fingers crossed that the Rams don’t pick a quarterback so they can[B] trade down with either [U]Cleveland or Buffalo[/U][/B], who apparently are in the quarterback market. The thought process is that new [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/cleveland-browns/67042"]Browns[/URL] czar Mike Holmgren won’t want to lose his favorite quarterback to Washington and new coach Mike Shanahan. The [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/washington-redskins/67062"]Redskins[/URL] are perched at No. 4, three spots ahead of the Browns. The Lions really don’t want to spend $33 million in bonus money on a defensive tackle.

Source: [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/czar-nfl-combine-rumors-030210"]Czar: Rumors heard 'round the NFL Combine - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN[/URL][/quote]


How early can a team trade picks? Meaning, can it be done prior to the draft? Why wouldn't they trade the pick with us? I can't imagine that we wouldn't take additional picks and they would save some cash.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668267]How early can a team trade picks? Meaning, can it be done prior to the draft? Why wouldn't they trade the pick with us? I can't imagine that we wouldn't take additional picks and they would save some cash.[/quote]

The Redskins traded their 12th and 24th picks to move up to 3rd in the 2000 draft. They did the trade in Feburary. I read some forum post in which he said other folks in the league said that the Redskins could've gotten a lot more if they waited until draft day.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/14872/double-coverage-bradford-to-the-rams]Double Coverage: Bradford to the Rams? - NFC West Blog - ESPN[/url]

Very interesting debate concerning weather the Rams should draft Bradford or Suh. The reasoning behind drafting Suh states that Spags had a great line in NY and the Rams will most likely be picking in the top 5 again next year in what is projected to be a "stronger" QB class.

Of course keep in mind things change. Last year at this time people were thinking that Bradford, McCoy, Snead, and Tebow could all be sure fire first rounders. If I remember right, it was possible that even Zac Robinson could become a first round pick. Now the only two guys that are going in the first are Bradford and Clausen.

Heck even Chris Simms and Andrew Walter were predicted to be high first round picks in their respective drafts. Ciron Black was suppose to be our first round pick this year according to Todd McShay.

Either way nice debate and reasoning for the Rams to take Suh which would give us a much better chance of getting Bradford :FIREdevil

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668267]How early can a team trade picks? Meaning, can it be done prior to the draft? Why wouldn't they trade the pick with us? I can't imagine that we wouldn't take additional picks and they would save some cash.[/quote]

We can trade picks starting Friday.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

Jason Campbell tendered at only a 1st round level. That proves that Shanahan wouldn't mind moving him. Bradford gone at one, Clausen isnt the answer. GO COLT BRENNAN! haha

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[quote=PHazard;668425]Jason Campbell tendered at only a 1st round level. That proves that Shanahan wouldn't mind moving him. Bradford gone at one, Clausen isnt the answer. GO COLT BRENNAN! haha[/quote]

I don't know how much you can read into that, but it definitely raises an eyebrow or two.
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Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;668444]I don't know how much you can read into that, but it definitely raises an eyebrow or two.
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What makes this eye brow raising? (I really dont know the difference between a 1st round tender and what something else would have meant....)

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[quote=Gmanc711;668460]What makes this eye brow raising? (I really dont know the difference between a 1st round tender and what something else would have meant....)[/quote]

Isn't the first round tender the highest tender? This means that if any team wants him, they're going to have to pay up, and that Redskins won't let him walk cheap.

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[quote=Ruhskins;668464]Isn't the first round tender the highest tender? This means that if any team wants him, they're going to have to pay up, and that Redskins won't let him walk cheap.[/quote]

1st and 3rd is the highest tender. Like I said before not earth shattering but definitely interesting.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;668465]1st and 3rd is the highest tender. Like I said before not earth shattering but definitely interesting.[/quote]

another way to say the same thing:
[quote]RedskinsInsider

RT @Rich_Campbell [B]For only $124,750 more,[/B] the #Redskins could have tendered Campbell at 1st & 3rd-round level. That speaks volumes.[/quote]

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;668467]another way to say the same thing:[/quote]

What he said.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;668465]1st and 3rd is the highest tender. Like I said before not earth shattering but definitely interesting.[/quote]

Gotcha. I still don't think there's anything to get excited about. If Campbell is moved, you want to make sure you get the best compensation.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;668467]another way to say the same thing:[/quote]

So has Campbell been tendered? I just checked RI & it still says he hasn't yet.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=freddyg12;668482]So has Campbell been tendered? I just checked RI & it still says he hasn't yet.[/quote]

They are behind on the news.

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[quote=PHazard;668425]Jason Campbell tendered at only a 1st round level. That proves that Shanahan wouldn't mind moving him. Bradford gone at one, Clausen isnt the answer. GO COLT BRENNAN! haha[/quote]

I find it more interesting that that they didn't make him a first and third tender because it seems that they are actually trying to save a few bucks (good long term sign).

No one would give us a second for him last year, they probably figure that they aren't getting a first rounder for him this year. I don't think that anyone would be upset if we get a first for him and then Shanny can focus on getting "his guy", whoever that ends up being.

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Wow, they only tendered a 2nd. He & Rocky ain't happy.

Looks like to me they're almost encouraging a trade offer or letting the market decide whether to keep him or not. If the price is too high for them, they get a 2nd round pick. If not, they re-sign him at whatever offer another team comes up with, which will likely be less than the Skins would pay if his agent dealt directly w/them. Or they opt to meet the contract & ask the other team for another pick/player.

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From ESPN.com

Washington Redskins

Even though Mike Shanahan wouldn't confirm the Skins are transitioning to a 3-4, you know it's coming. That's what new defensive coordinator Jim Haslett feels the most comfortable doing. Everyone will talk about quarterback and offensive tackle this offseason, but the Redskins need to be on the lookout for 3-4 defensive tackles. As we saw with the Cowboys, transitioning to a 3-4 isn't always smooth. There's no guarantee that linebacker London Fletcher can hold up in a 3-4 because he'll have to take on enormous guards and centers on a regular basis. You'll see a big transformation with this team over the next couple years. If Sam Bradford's already gone, look for the Redskins to zero in on left tackles Russell Okung and Bryan Bulaga. Either one of those players could end up anchoring the offensive line for nine or 10 years. Tremendous college players who both have a high ceiling. The Skins have taken a long look at Campbell out of Maryland, so they'll be looking to see if he slips into the second round.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;668621]From ESPN.com

Washington Redskins

Even though Mike Shanahan wouldn't confirm the Skins are transitioning to a 3-4, you know it's coming. That's what new defensive coordinator Jim Haslett feels the most comfortable doing. Everyone will talk about quarterback and offensive tackle this offseason, but the Redskins need to be on the lookout for 3-4 defensive tackles. As we saw with the Cowboys, transitioning to a 3-4 isn't always smooth. There's no guarantee that linebacker London Fletcher can hold up in a 3-4 because he'll have to take on enormous guards and centers on a regular basis. You'll see a big transformation with this team over the next couple years. If Sam Bradford's already gone, look for the Redskins to zero in on left tackles Russell Okung and Bryan Bulaga. Either one of those players could end up anchoring the offensive line for nine or 10 years. Tremendous college players who both have a high ceiling. The Skins have taken a long look at Campbell out of Maryland, so they'll be looking to see if he slips into the second round.[/quote]

Nothing much new here, but it does inadvertently highlight the questionable judgment to switch to a 3-4 when we need to acquire so much talent on offense. There's just not much leftover to give the defense, and a base 3-4 means we need at least two editions on the d-line and probably one or two new faces in the LB corp.

...Haslett may be gone in a year regardless but the prospect of a defense "missing" the right players in several positions is sure to set him back from the beginning. Again, a very curious decision by the FO/staff.

Guilty: The Evil Blackmail Post
 

Well all this time I've been talking about how people keep talking about next years QB class and how it will be better then the current years, well now it's time to present the evidence. The following posters are guilty of pumping up the 2010 QB class in 2009. Keep in mind I don't exactly know where all these posters stand now and we're obviously allowed to change our opinion but for now charges will be brought fourth::FIREdevil

[quote=Trample the Elderly;549733]Next year will have A LOT more depth for QBs.[/quote]

[quote=Lotus;549743]You are right on. This year is a bad qb year and next year looks different.[/quote]

[quote=Redskin Jim;549748]McCoy, Tebow as well.[/quote]

[quote=53Fan;549773]Which is why Sanchez decided to come out this year instead of taking his coaches advice and playing his senior year.[/quote]

[quote=Gymratfwp;544525]why draft sanchez?

IF we get a QB it should be next year...Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, and my favorite Colt McCoy are all going to be out. Each one of these guys is better than Sanchez. The only reason Sanchez came out is for the money. If he waited until next year to come out, he would fall to at least the 2. Sanchez waited until he knew that both Bradford, Tebow and McCoy were staying in school to announce that he was coming out, because he wants to cash in...dude is a bust waiting to happen.[/quote]

[quote=GusFrerotte;544027]Why draft Sanchez? I mean come on! We have a pretty decent trio already, and depending on where Collins is in 2010 as well as JC, I rather draft McCoy or Bradford. Big 12 is way more brutal than the Pac-10, and those dudes are ready for the NFL. How many USC QB's have fared well as of late in the NFL? Carson Palmer was pretty decent til he messed up his knee, now he is a walking injury, but Leinhart being beaten out by Warner doesn't bode well for his ass. We are better off taking an USC LB way before even considering Sanchez. It is way better to draft the real deal in either Colt or Sam in 2010.[/quote]

[quote=Dirtbag359;542323]lol, I guess your right. At the very least we got Campbell going into his second year in Zorns system and the O-Line will probably get upgraded. And hey if we suck this year we'll be in position to choose next year between Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy.[/quote]
[quote]Stay away from Mark Sanchez! If we are that desperate for a QB (I'm a JC fan) next years class will be much better than this one. Besides, USC's offense was the worst it's been in a few years. The USC defense was the dominant force for that team.Hopefully, they are posturing for additional picks.

Posted by: dcwun | April 15, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse[/quote]

[quote]. If he stinks next year, fine, don't resign him. There will be at least two quarterbacks in next year's draft who are as good or better than Sanchez that the 'Skins could draft with their high draft pick or trade up to get.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | April 24, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse[/quote]

I'd now like the take this time to give you, my loyal readers a chance to aw over Sanchez's 92.7 Postseason QB rating.

Re: Guilty: The Evil Blackmail Post
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;668680]Well all this time I've been talking about how people keep talking about next years QB class and how it will be better then the current years, well now it's time to present the evidence. The following posters are guilty of pumping up the 2010 QB class in 2009. Keep in mind I don't exactly know where all these posters stand now and we're obviously allowed to change our opinion but for now charges will be brought fourth::FIREdevil


I'd now like the take this time to give you, my loyal readers a chance to aw over Sanchez's 92.7 Postseason QB rating.[/quote]You're right, if Sanchez had been here, we would have won all those close postseason games we lost. :tongue

The 2010 class is stronger than the 2009 class. Those commenters were correct, including yourself. But from the perspective of holding the fourth overall pick in either draft, the point is basically moot. Sanchez would have been a bad overdraft at No. 4 for Seattle, who if nothing else last year, found out they needed a QB. And I wouldn't select McCoy/Bradford at No. 4 overall this year.

But as the value/salary structure begins to change later down the board, I feel way more comfortable with the quality of this class than with the 09 class. It's far from a likelyhood that you'll get a guy who is better than Campbell drafting from this class, but that's only one dimension of our QB need. The other is depth/insurance against having a contract dilemma in 2011.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;668621]From ESPN.com

Washington Redskins

Even though Mike Shanahan wouldn't confirm the Skins are transitioning to a 3-4, you know it's coming. That's what new defensive coordinator Jim Haslett feels the most comfortable doing. Everyone will talk about quarterback and offensive tackle this offseason, but the Redskins need to be on the lookout for 3-4 defensive tackles. As we saw with the Cowboys, transitioning to a 3-4 isn't always smooth. There's no guarantee that linebacker London Fletcher can hold up in a 3-4 because he'll have to take on enormous guards and centers on a regular basis. You'll see a big transformation with this team over the next couple years. If Sam Bradford's already gone, look for the Redskins to zero in on left tackles Russell Okung and Bryan Bulaga. Either one of those players could end up anchoring the offensive line for nine or 10 years. Tremendous college players who both have a high ceiling. The Skins have taken a long look at Campbell out of Maryland, so they'll be looking to see if he slips into the second round.[/quote]

I'm not saying they're getting rid of Fletche but they're preparing for him to not be here much more than another year. Highly doubtful that Campbell slips to them in the second round. Possible Trent Williams does

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[quote=SmootSmack;667256]Well you won't be happy to hear there are rumors circulating that the Lions and Chiefs are working on a deal that would give the Lions Glen Dorsey and allow them to draft Okung at #2[/quote]

Ok, so it looks like it may be the Browns that are providing Detroit with a DT

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4967021]Sources: Cleveland Browns to trade Corey Willliams to Detroit Lions for draft pick - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;669486]Ok, so it looks like it may be the Browns that are providing Detroit with a DT

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4967021]Sources: Cleveland Browns to trade Corey Willliams to Detroit Lions for draft pick - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Sounds like this makes the Lions' plans harder to predict. According to the article, it looks like they could do a lot of things, pick up Suh or trade down.

Or pick up Okung (not in the article) :mad:

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If Bradord, Shu and Okung are off the board when we draft that is a huge dagger.

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[quote=mredskins;669541]If Bradord, Shu and Okung are off the board when we draft that is a huge dagger.[/quote]

Have faith my child. Bryan Buluga is a talent worthy of #4 overall.

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Big Hawkeyes fan. Love Bulaga. Wouldn't take him at 4

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SmootSmack;669580]Big Hawkeyes fan. Love Bulaga. Wouldn't take him at 4[/quote]

Oh man, the disclaimer followed by the denial. Why the lack of faith? Is it related more towards his ability or medical history?

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

I see him as a RT in the NFL. And I don't spend a 4th overall on a RT

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=mredskins;669541]If Bradord, Shu and Okung are off the board when we draft that is a huge dagger.[/quote]

Trent Williams if that crap situation happens.

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[quote=mredskins;669541]If Bradord, Shu and Okung are off the board when we draft that is a huge dagger.[/quote]

What if Suh is available at 4, do we take him? I would be all for that, but if they're dead set on going 3-4 they'd have to make sure he would be a good fit at nose.

I wouldn't mind taking Suh & then playing a lot of 4-3 w/he & AH inside, also playing 3-4 w/AH at DE. Suh could play DE in the 3-4 as well. I think the guy is too good to pass up.

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If Suh is there when we pick, we find someone to ransom him off too. As a player, he is a luxury at one of the few positions we are set. As trade bait, he is gold waiting to be cashed in.

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^ And gold is going up all the time. :)

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;670215]If Suh is there when we pick, we find someone to ransom him off too. As a player, he is a luxury at one of the few positions we are set. As trade bait, he is gold waiting to be cashed in.[/quote]

I wouldn't mind picking him either if we go to a 3-4. If we didn't need a whole new offensive line he and Taylor Mays would be my choice. Well at least right now.

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I mean the thing w/ Suh is it all depends whether he can dominate as NT in the 3-4 since we'll see it a fair bit. I sorta think back to last year w/ BJ Raji. Understandably injury held him back but in general he found it hard to adjust to the 3-4. Very hard to say if Suh would make an immediate impact.

I also doubt Haslett would stay in a 4-3 base just because we got Suh. We got awesome dline play last year, especially when Griff was 100%. Coming up we had Jarmon coming into his own possibly at LDE and Alexander progressing as a rotation lineman. Haslett is forcing the 3-4 regardless of personnel is my feeling so again everything depends about Suh's ability in the 3-4.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=The Goat;670259]I mean the thing w/ Suh is it all depends whether he can dominate as NT in the 3-4 since we'll see it a fair bit. I sorta think back to last year w/ BJ Raji. Understandably injury held him back but in general he found it hard to adjust to the 3-4. Very hard to say if Suh would make an immediate impact.

I also doubt Haslett would stay in a 4-3 base just because we got Suh. We got awesome dline play last year, especially when Griff was 100%. Coming up we had Jarmon coming into his own possibly at LDE and Alexander progressing as a rotation lineman. Haslett is forcing the 3-4 regardless of personnel is my feeling so again everything depends about Suh's ability in the 3-4.[/quote]

I think Suh and McCoy would be good 3-4 DEs. I think we should pick up Jamal Williams for a year or two, and maybe pick up Dan Williams (329 lbs) from Tennessee or Cam Thomas (330 lbs) from UNC; they seem to have the physique to be 3-4 NTs.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;670215]If Suh is there when we pick, we find someone to ransom him off too. As a player, he is a luxury at one of the few positions we are set. As trade bait, he is gold waiting to be cashed in.[/quote]

I don't know...I kind of prefer handing our pick card to the commissioner before he has even finished announcing the pick before ours. Who needs to use our allotted time to see if another team is interested in trading up.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;670215]If Suh is there when we pick, we find someone to ransom him off too. As a player, he is a luxury at one of the few positions we are set. As trade bait, he is gold waiting to be cashed in.[/quote]

After releasing Griffin, I wouldn't really say we're "set" at DT. Montgomery and Golston aren't exactly studs by any means. If we're fully committed to a switch to a 3-4, we're going to need some flux with D-lineman. I wonder how Suh would be as a 3-4 DE? My gut is that he's best suited as a 4-3 DT.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Ruhskins;670348]I think Suh and McCoy would be good 3-4 DEs. I think we should pick up Jamal Williams for a year or two, and maybe pick up Dan Williams (329 lbs) from Tennessee or Cam Thomas (330 lbs) from UNC; they seem to have the physique to be 3-4 NTs.[/quote]

I don't know these dudes offhand but the defensive scheme change is pretty important...so ya know I guess I'll look em up :)

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Ruhskins;670348]I think Suh and McCoy would be good 3-4 DEs. I think we should pick up Jamal Williams for a year or two, and maybe pick up Dan Williams (329 lbs) from Tennessee or Cam Thomas (330 lbs) from UNC; they seem to have the physique to be 3-4 NTs.[/quote]

I think Suh would be a DE in the 3-4 as well and I like Williams too. Can we really afford to sign Williams and use a pick on a NT?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;670357]I think Suh would be a DE in the 3-4 as well and I like Williams too. Can we really afford to sign Williams and use a pick on a NT?[/quote]

Well, I think Williams is in the tail end of his career, and I think BA could get a good deal done there. I think right now he's the top UFA NT available, and we need players that have 3-4 experience.

[quote=The Goat;670356]I don't know these dudes offhand but the defensive scheme change is pretty important...so ya know I guess I'll look em up :)[/quote]

I saw them during the combine on the NFLN, and the pundits were talking about these guys fitting well in the 3-4 at NT.