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SF 49ers Felt they did not want to pay 2 players first round money.... so boo hoo cowboys, and honestly we have a strategy so stop crying!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;674660]haha, i didnt even know we had an animation like that! that's amazing![/quote]
Look in the smilies, there's some pretty funny ones in there.

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Adams_Heffer

With Packers on the clock, Brett Favre officially announces he is retiring from draft watching.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;674659]i didn't question the value of the picks exchanged... just the rationale for the move. makes 0 sense from a 49ers perspective. but then, this is a redskins fan forum, so i guess we can't expect impartiality.[/quote]

It makes sense if they really wanted Eric Berry.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;674661]SF 49ers Felt they did not want to pay 2 players first round money.... so boo hoo cowboys, and honestly we have a strategy so stop crying![/quote]

you do realize that the 4th overall player in the draft will make MUCH more money than the 13th and 17th overall players combined, dont you?

In 2009:

-4th Overall Pick, Aaron Curry, signed a six-year, $60 million contract including $34 million guaranteed.

-13th Overall Pick, Brian Orakpo, signed a five-year deal worth $20 million , which includes $12.1 million guaranteed.

-17th Overall Pick, Josh Freeman signed a five-year, $26 million contract, with 10 million garaunteed.

So, if the move was motivated by not wanting to pay "1st round money" to 2 players, how is it logical to pay one player more than $10million garaunteed MORE to ONE player? Just admit that you did the move to help the skins and we'll move on ;)

[quote=Buster;674680]It makes sense if they really wanted Eric Berry.[/quote]

no one wants a safety that bad. Ever. especially when they have more pressing needs. The 49ers need STARTERS at right tackle and cornerback. While safety is definitely a need for them, they have two promising young safeties on the roster already. Still, they don't have anyone to play or RT or start opposite Clements, who has himself lost a step or two. At t his point, the 49ers wouldnt trade up for anyone, especially not Berry.

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^ you are really making this more complicated than it needs to be... let it go this mock draft is for fun bro. None of us actually are in the teams real war room.
secondly it's about equal when you consider the math on the deal if Orakpo and Freeman had a 6th year on their deal the figures would be close.

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Adams_Heffer
Rookie salary cap instituted on all 4th overall picks, starts 2010,will now be 1M less cost of 13th + 17th. Rule known as the Snyder Rule

13+17 minutes ago via tweetwtf

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[quote=diehardskin2982;674692]^ you are really making this more complicated than it needs to be... let it go this mock draft is for fun bro. None of us actually are in the teams real war room.[/quote]

i guess youre right. maybe i should screw the vikings over to help the skins too. all in good fun, for course ;)

[quote=CRedskinsRule;674693]Adams_Heffer
Rookie salary cap instituted on all 4th overall picks, starts 2010,will now be 1M less cost of 13th + 17th. Rule known as the Snyder Rule

13+17 minutes ago via tweetwtf[/quote]

Did Bruce Allen become commishioner AND redskins GM? Brilliant!

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we also don't know what a safety's contract would be at that pick. He won't be making Linebacker money that is for shore.

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I like how many people is trying to make excuses and justify a trade that the only real reason is it helped the redskins in a redskins forum

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[quote=D'BOYZ;674715]I like how many people is trying to make excuses and justify a trade that the only real reason is it helped the redskins in a redskins forum[/quote]Would it have made a difference if diehard had traded up to get Okung and then he winds up with a top flight corner at # 37, filling SF's two biggest needs with quality starters?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;674705]we also don't know what a safety's contract would be at that pick. He won't be making Linebacker money that is for shore.[/quote]

so you recognize that safeties generally get paid less than pretty much every other position.... because its a far less valuable position to a team. that said, regardless of a players position, a player drafted in the first round generallys makes close to than the player drafted at the same position the year before.

i don't mean to be overly hard on you - its just the only trade we've had so far and it involves the redskins and doesnt make much sense from the perspective of the 49ers. kinda broke the realism of what we were going for, atleast for me. Now, if Al Davis were owner of the 49ers, it would be another matter entirely. i'd be applauding your skills at impersonating the madman.

On that note, GTripp made far too sensible of a pick to accurately portray what the Raiders would do. If I had been Oakland, I would have drafted Tebow with that pick, LOL.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;674686]
no one wants a safety that bad. Ever. especially when they have more pressing needs. The 49ers need STARTERS at right tackle and cornerback. While safety is definitely a need for them, they have two promising young safeties on the roster already. Still, they don't have anyone to play or RT or start opposite Clements, who has himself lost a step or two. At t his point, the 49ers wouldnt trade up for anyone, especially not Berry.[/quote]

Just 3 years ago, we drafted a safety at #6 overall and we had other more pressing needs. 3 years before that, we drafted a safety at #5 overall who became a Pro Bowler.

A HC who was one of the greatest defensive players in league history drafting one at #4 is not that far-fetched. Maybe they wouldn't trade up, but if they think he's the next Ronnie Lott and fear he'll be gone...crazier draft trades have happened.

As others said, a safety at #4 will be cheaper than a QB or RB, or even LB.

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[quote=Buster;674726]Just 3 years ago, we drafted a safety at #6 overall and we had other more pressing needs. 3 years before that, we drafted a safety at #5 overall who became a Pro Bowler.[/quote]

yeah buster but in both cases you didn't trade 2 first round picks to get those Safetys.... he's not saying Berry isn't worth taking at #4 he's saying he isn't worth trading 2 high 1st round picks 2 get him like I've said... an also agree with him that it just took realism of what you guys were trying to do with this mock draft and acting on the best interest of every franchsie.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;674715]I like how many people is trying to make excuses and justify a trade that the only real reason is it helped the redskins in a redskins forum[/quote]

I see it the other way, no surprise, that people who are ready to bash the Skins, fail to acknowledge that that trade could happen given the teams involved, and that surprise trades happen in alot of drafts. Did anyone expect Cleveland to be able to trade back MULTIPLE TIMES last year? If you look at the trade as it occured it really took the Skins out of the hunt for a qb, which many would say was not in the Skins interest, and yet it gave them two tackles, which was in the Skins interest. Trades happen when both sides think they gain, and in this case a S like Berry could very well attract a trade in the 1st round.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;674728]yeah buster but in both cases yo udidn't trade 2 first round picks to get those Safetys.... he's not saying Berry isn't worth taking at #4 he's sayign he isn't worth trading 2 high 2st roudn picks 2 get him like I've said... an also agree with him that it just took realism of what you guys were trying to do with this mock draft and acting on the best interest of every franchsie.[/quote]

[SIZE=5]Cowboys crying, such a familiar sight.[/SIZE]

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[quote=Buster;674726][B]1. [/b]Just 3 years ago, we drafted a safety at #6 overall and we had other more pressing needs. [B]2.[/b]3 years before that, we drafted a safety at #5 overall who became a Pro Bowler.[/quote]

1. how's that worked out for us?
2. did we trade multiple first round picks when we had multiple more pressing needs to move up to select a lesser need (safety) in either case? No. We simply took the best player on the board when they fell to us.

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can we call a truce perhaps?

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Dallas has been involved in some surprising draft day trades:

"Hey, we traded our first and third away for a bust WR already, so lets trade our second away so we have ZERO picks on the first day of the draft":
[url=http://www.woai.com/sports/story/Cowboys-trade-2nd-round-draft-pick-to-Bills/_0p6eWPTZUy16vW7oXQWmg.cspx]Cowboys trade 2nd-round draft pick to Bills, Texans get OLB | WOAI.COM: San Antonio News[/url]


The previously-mentioned Browns trading down and down again with help from Dallas:
[url=http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2007/04/dallas-cleveland-draft-day-trade/]Dallas – Cleveland Draft Day Trade » OTB Sports[/url]



Trade 2 picks to move up from 155 to 143 to select who? Definitely worth the one interception in 32 games.
[url=http://dal.scout.com/2/750364.html]Scout.com: Dallas Trades Up; Selects Scandrick[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;674737]can we call a truce perhaps?[/quote]

Next year, either:


A. No trades at all.

or

B. No Dallas fans allowed in.

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Buster really?

OK first the Cleveland stupid comparison and justification

[B]#5: Cleveland → New York Jets (D).[/B] Cleveland traded its first-round selection (5th overall, used to select [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanchez"][COLOR=#002bb8]Mark Sanchez[/COLOR][/URL]) to the Jets for the Jets' first- and second-round selections (17th overall, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft#TampaTradeUp"][COLOR=#002bb8]traded to Tampa Bay[/COLOR][/URL], who selected [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Freeman"][COLOR=#002bb8]Josh Freeman[/COLOR][/URL]; and 52nd overall, used to select [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Veikune"][COLOR=#002bb8]David Veikune[/COLOR][/URL]), [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenyon_Coleman"][COLOR=#002bb8]Kenyon Coleman[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Ratliff"][COLOR=#002bb8]Brett Ratliff[/COLOR][/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Elam"][COLOR=#002bb8]Abram Elam[/COLOR][/URL].
[COLOR=#002bb8][/COLOR]
Cleveland didn't get the jets first and next years first even they got their first and 3 avrg players you can say Elam an actual starter but no wow player...

The Jets didn't sold the house to move to #5 and moved to get what mmmhhh a QB not a safety.... cleveland needed players bunch not 1 and that's wh ythey took the most players they could get... and the other 2 trades they made to move down 2 spots they got 6 round picks in both cases.... Not chart value for soem that use them.

Now the Scandrick trade? really you're comparing 2 first to a 5th round trade with an actually good player who's the 3rd CB wow.

Now Roy williams was a stupid trade by Jerry but involved a player a high priced player Jerry got robbed yeah like Dallas robbed Cleveland 3 years ago when they traed their first for cleveland's second and next year first so Cleveland could get Brady Quinn.

But in no way a team trades to high first for a safety no matter how you put it.

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:argue: Give it a rest already. The pick's been made. Ditka traded [B]all[/B] NO's picks to draft Ricky Williams. A[B] lot[/B] stranger things have happened.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;674737]can we call a truce perhaps?[/quote]

sure. all it will take is a trade:

vikings 1st round pick for the Lions 2nd and 3rd rounders. :)

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[quote=53Fan;674762]:argue: Give it a rest already. The pick's been made. Ditka traded [B]all[/B] NO's picks to draft Ricky Williams. A[B] lot[/B] stranger things have happened.[/quote]

Herschel Walker!


:bdh:

SO anyways, who's picking now? :D

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[quote=Buster;674744]Next year, either:


A. No trades at all.

or

B. No Dallas fans allowed in.[/quote]

Dude first I'm not the only one saying this, actual redskins fans are sayign the same things, read the names of the post... and I'm not complainning or anthing you take it personal like an atack I could actually care less of a mock draft. I just told u it lost the prupose of what you guus intended with trying to make it realistic... not a mock draft of the best redskins scenario.

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[quote=buster;674766]herschel walker!


:bdh:

So anyways, who's picking now? :d[/quote]

packers

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;674721]so you recognize that safeties generally get paid less than pretty much every other position.... because its a far less valuable position to a team. that said, regardless of a players position, a player drafted in the first round generallys makes close to than the player drafted at the same position the year before.

i don't mean to be overly hard on you - its just the only trade we've had so far and it involves the redskins and doesnt make much sense from the perspective of the 49ers. kinda broke the realism of what we were going for, atleast for me. Now, if Al Davis were owner of the 49ers, it would be another matter entirely. i'd be applauding your skills at impersonating the madman.
[B]
On that note, GTripp made far too sensible of a pick to accurately portray what the Raiders would do. If I had been Oakland, I would have drafted Tebow with that pick, LOL.[/B][/quote]No, don't worry. I specifically took a player who needs strong organizational structure to reach his max potential, and placed him in an organization that is a complete circus. No realism dropoff.

Anyway, I'm on your side in terms of the San Francisco-Washington trade being preposterously unrealistic. A quick Google search would show that SF local media sources have watch an offensive line perform every bit as poorly as ours has, and so the only reason to go up that high would be to land Okung, who was there, but passed on. Furthermore, Eric Berry isn't really a top five pick with the lone exception of if the Redskins surprise and take him. He could go 6-10, but I wouldn't be shocked if he's around when SF makes their first pick at 13 (and then he'll probably get further than that). Either way, the 49ers aren't going to trade up.

Still, we allowed trades in this dealy, and it's supposed to be for fun. Having two picks for the Redskins is more fun than one pick, and the mock is still valuable if you use it as a tool to see how the market is valuing certain positions against others (all OTs in the top 50 on anyones big board are gone pick pick 20, both QBs go in top 10), but not so much to worry about specific players.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;674774]No, don't worry. I specifically took a player who needs strong organizational structure to reach his max potential, and placed him in an organization that is a complete circus. No realism dropoff.[/QUOTE]

LOL, i didnt even think about it in that much detail. I just saw that you picked an offensive lineman and not an offensive skill-position player. But you are right, Davis hasn't done a very good job of making guys who question his character/work ethic change their minds, has he? He's actually a player i wouldnt mind having here if we had some more high character veteran guys on our line. Unfortunately, we just lost Samuels, Thomas and Bugel... we can't afford to bring in any potential turds here just yet.

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[B]Updated Draft Order & GM List: Updated 3/16, 2:45pm[/B]

1 - Rams: diehardskin2982 - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2 - Lions: CRedskinsRule - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
3 - Bucs: redskins5044 - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
4 - 49ers: diehardskin2982 - Eric Berry S Tennesse
5 - Chiefs: WaldSkins - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St.
6 - Seahawks: redskins5044 - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
7 - Browns: budw38 - Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
8 - Raiders: GTripp - Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
9 - Bills: Buster - Rolando McLain, ILB, Alabama
10 - Jaguars: 81forHOF - Derrick Morgan, DE Georgia Tech
11- Broncos:CRedskinsRule - Sean Witherspoon, OLB, Missouri
12 - Dolphins: tdSKINS1 - Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma St.
13 - Redskins: SkinnyTee - Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
14 - Seahawks: redskins5044 - Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
15 - Giants: SS33 - Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
16 - Titans: SS33 - Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
17 - Redskins: SkinnyTee - Charles Brown, OT, USC
18 - Steelers: GTripp - Joe Haden, CB, Florida
19 - Falcons: 81forHOF - Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
20 - Texans: Buster - Earl Thomas, S, Texas
21 - Bengals: halodoc - Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
22 - Patriots: halodoc - CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
23 - Packers: WaldSkins - Kyle Wilson, CB/KR, Boise State
24 - Eagles: johno - Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
25 - Ravens: over the mountain - Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
26 - Cardinals: Mechanix544 - on the clock
27 - Cowboys: D'BOYZ
28 - Chargers: over the mountain
29 - Jets: Mechanix544
30 - Vikings: BHA
31 - Colts: SS33
32 - Saints: SS33

48 - Panthers: BHA
75 - Bears: GTripp

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[quote=D'BOYZ;674767]Dude first I'm not the only one saying this, actual redskins fans are sayign the same things, read the names of the post... and I'm not complainning or anthing you take it personal like an atack I could actually care less of a mock draft. I just told u it lost the prupose of what you guus intended with trying to make it realistic... not a mock draft of the best redskins scenario.[/quote]

Well BHA is known to attack the Skins FO too and might support bringing Jake Plummer back, so his arguments are in doubt anyway ;-)

edit:
I will now be starting a write in campaign to both Skins and SF FO's for this exact trade! and adding it to a couple prayer lists as well.

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i am ready with my pick (eagles), just give me the go ahead.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;674721]On that note, GTripp made far too sensible of a pick to accurately portray what the Raiders would do. If I had been Oakland, I would have drafted Tebow with that pick, LOL.[/quote]

Al Davis would not allow the team to draft a QB, he's in love with his overweight, underachieving QB. :D

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ravens are ready too.

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The Green Bay Packers select Kyle Wilson, CB/KR, Boise State

Eagles are on the clock.

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The Eagles select Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida with the 24th pick.

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[quote=johno;674800]The Eagles select Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida with the 24th pick.[/quote]
Ravens are on the clock

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This just in:


Dallas at pick #27 has been negotiating to send that pick to Philadelphia for the Panthers second round pick at #48. It is rumored that Wade Phillips is targeting the punter from the Pittsburg State Gorillas.

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Jason_Lame_Canthearya

Skins looking to trade WR Moss for Tampa Bay 3rd rd pick. From league source. Commissioner looking at exemption on Redskin player trades

3 second ago via whytweetme

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[quote=johno;674800]The Eagles select Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida with the 24th pick.[/quote]

Darn it...hoping he'd be around for Buffalo in Round 2.


Great pick, the kid is a beast.