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Yes, I agree those picks are hard to swallow for a player that didn't fit the system we were trying to run..

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I think JC will do well and I wish him the best.

He will be in a smaller market on a team nobody expects much from. I think that will help him.

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[quote=Mattyk;695558]And considering we're getting a 4th in 2012, net of 1 pick[/quote]

I think the Skins were lucky to get anything for him so that 4th pick helps.

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[quote=Lotus;695530]So, are you arguing that if, for the sake of argument, we had picked JC at #25 without giving up extra picks, he would not be a bust?[/quote]

[quote=irish;695586]Pretty much yes. I think I'd call him more of a big disappointment if he was drafted 25th. Its the loss of those picks thats the real kicker. JC ended up being a marginal QB (who might not even start in Oak) who the Skins end up thrwing away for a 4th round pick.[/quote]

Then, logically, JC is not a bust to you. The trade up for him is what you are criticizing, not JC himself.

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[quote=Lotus;695602]Then, logically, JC is not a bust to you. The trade up for him is what you are criticizing, not JC himself.[/quote]

Its the whole thing, the trade up, JC's play. Put that all together and the final result is bust.

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[quote=irish;695604]Its the whole thing, the trade up, JC's play. Put that all together and the final result is bust.[/quote]

You are not being logical. You can't say "the whole thing" because whether JC busted his pick, or whether we should have traded up for him, are two separate issues, as your own posts have highlighted.

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[quote=Lotus;695611]You are not being logical. You can't say "the whole thing" because whether JC busted his pick, or whether we should have traded up for him, are two separate issues, as your own posts have highlighted.[/quote]

I know they are 2 seperate things. Should they have traded up - no. Did JC bust his pick - yes. When you look at the whole saga of JC with the Skins (trade up, his play, toss him out) the final result is bust.

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[quote=irish;695586]Pretty much yes. [B]I think I'd call him more of a big disappointment if he was drafted 25th. Its the loss of those picks thats the real kicker.[/B] JC ended up being a marginal QB (who might not even start in Oak) who the Skins end up thrwing away for a 4th round pick.[/quote]

[quote=irish;695616]I know they are 2 seperate things. Should they have traded up - no. [B]Did JC bust his pick - yes.[/B] When you look at the whole saga of JC with the Skins (trade up, his play, toss him out) the final result is bust.[/quote]

Can't have it both ways. Which is it: JC is a "bust," or JC is just a "disappointment"?

Re: Campbell A Raider
 

good riddance...good luck..but i'm glad he isn't here anymore.

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[quote=Lotus;695627]Can't have it both ways. Which is it: JC is a "bust," or JC is just a "disappointment"?[/quote]

Bust

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[quote=irish;695636]Bust[/quote]

Heath Shuler did nothing and was out of the league quickly. He's a bust.

JC, while a disappointment, is a capable mid-level, non-great QB. To use the same word for him that is used for Shuler is offensive.

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[quote=Lotus;695641]Heath Shuler did nothing and was out of the league quickly. He's a bust.

JC, while a disappointment, is a capable mid-level, non-great QB. To use the same word for him that is used for Shuler is offensive.[/quote]

Like I tried to explain but you cant seem to understand is that when you consider what was given up to get JC and his play he ends up going down as a bust. Shuler was also a bust but at leat the Skins didnt give up players to get him.

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[quote=irish;695645][B]Like I tried to explain but you cant seem to understand[/B] is that when you consider what was given up to get JC and his play he ends up going down as a bust. Shuler was also a bust but at leat the Skins didnt give up players to get him.[/quote]

For reasons I have already mentioned, I'm not going to understand your train of thought on this issue because it lacks logical coherence.

Re: Campbell A Raider
 

It would be interesting to see how JC could have performed with a decent O-line. Plus a decent coach! He'll get a better chance in Oakland, sad to say...

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[quote=Lotus;695627]Can't have it both ways. Which is it: JC is a "bust," or JC is just a "disappointment"?[/quote]

same old same old in here :doh:

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[quote=mlmdub130;695724]same old same old in here :doh:[/quote]

Illogical arguments for JC's "bustdom" are tiring. Sorry if I argued excessively. I shall stop.

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Now it looks like the "BIG BUST" is getting his fair due, to bad he's already cashed the check Al (YOU FOOL). A one way ticket outta the NFL.

Report: Raiders will cut Russell, possibly this week
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 27, 2010 4:57 PM ET
Even after the Oakland Raiders traded for Jason Campbell, coach Tom Cable said it was possible for JaMarcus Russell to earn the starting job. But a new report says the Raiders are going to cut Russell, possibly as soon as this week.

John Clayton of ESPN reports that the Raiders cutting Russell is a matter of "when," not "if," and that the team could release Russell before Oakland's upcoming minicamp, which opens Friday.

The Raiders will save $6.45 million if they cut Russell this year. It should probably go without saying that there's no trade market for him.

If Russell goes, the Raiders would have four quarterbacks left on their roster: Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Frye and Kyle Boller.

Re: Campbell A Raider
 

Looks like one team's trash is another team's treasure.

[B][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817dd7e4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]With QB Campbell, Raiders might improve greatly, surprise many[/url][/B]

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Good story GMScud & I agree the Raiders are getting a QB & they gave up nothing for him.

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[quote=GMScud;697275]Looks like one team's trash is another team's treasure.

[B][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817dd7e4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]With QB Campbell, Raiders might improve greatly, surprise many[/url][/B][/quote]

damn you

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/36412-brett-favre-saga-begins-again-lol-2.html#post697179[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;697275]Looks like one team's trash is another team's treasure.

[/quote]


Wait, are you talking about McNabb to the Redskins or Campbell to the Raiders? I get confused when we start talking about other team's trash.

Re: Campbell A Raider
 

Why does the media now suddenly think that Campbell is a good QB when all they did was trash him when he was with us?

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[quote=Justinchuck189;697316]Wait, are you talking about McNabb to the Redskins or Campbell to the Raiders? I get confused when we start talking about other team's trash.[/quote]


wow, are you calling mcnabb trash ? he's pretty much the reason the eagles offense was any good.

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[quote=bigm29;697326]Why does the media now suddenly think that Campbell is a good QB when all they did was trash him when he was with us?[/quote]

I don't recall the media trashing JC so much as they trashed Zorn's offense and the whole play-calling fiasco.

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[quote=bigm29;697326]Why does the media now suddenly think that Campbell is a good QB when all they did was trash him when he was with us?[/quote]

Wasn't the media,it was the fans and although he never bad mouth him DS's(him and Vinny) treatment of him last year during that whole QB situation was pretty bad.

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[quote=wolfeskins;697336]wow, are you calling mcnabb trash ? he's pretty much the reason the eagles offense was any good.[/quote]


..........so Brian Westbrook had nothing to do with anything nor did their Defense?

Re: Campbell A Raider
 

Jason Campbell, in response to media questions said "he's going to try and learn as much as he possibly can" from JaMarcus Russell. I wonder just what it is he expects to learn? Jason learning from him may very well find himself in his same predicament.

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[quote=Longtimefan;697345]Jason Campbell, in response to media questions said "he's going to try and learn as much as he possibly can" from JaMarcus Russell. I wonder just what it is he expects to learn? Jason learning from him may very well find himself in his same predicament.[/quote]

Why would you assume that he's going to be learning from [I]JaMarcus[/I]?

Even in your post YOU added the from JaMarcus Russell part it wasn't part of the quote.

Wouldn't it be more likely that he's learning the playbook and the system?

Anyway where is your quote from?

This is the last report i heard from da Raiders:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d817e4a9f/Raiders-report]NFL Videos: Raiders report[/url]

[quote=Mattyk;697340]I don't recall the media trashing JC so much as they trashed Zorn's offense and the whole play-calling fiasco.[/quote]

I agree.
I recall more people saying that Campbell did well despite the circumstances.
Sonny, Joey T, Aikman etc.
I more 'fans' were trashing him then media.

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Kinda strange to see Campbell in something other than a Redskin uniform.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/12893/russell-not-ready-to-cede-to-campbell]Russell not ready to cede to Campbell - AFC West Blog - ESPN[/url]

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30gut: I'll attempt to calrify my post because it would appear your respone reflects a misrepresentation of what was actually stated.

Nowhere did I state he's going to be learning anything from JaMarcus, therefore your asking: "why would I assume" does not represent what was stated. What I did say was that in response to a reporters question, Jason made the statement about learning from him which was stated in the quotation.

The link you posted is not all inclusive, nor is it a summation of all conversations that have taken place between Campbell and the media since his arrival in Oakland. I'll stand by the reported statement even though at the time I read it, I had no intention of linking it in the post and don't remember exactly what site the report came from.

Having had to learn as many different systems as Campbell has had too, both in college and the NFL it's highly doubtful the Raiders playbook wiil include anything he's unfamiliar with, different terminology maybe, but the fundamentals of the offense will not be strange to him.

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[quote=Longtimefan;697383]
30gut: I'll attempt to calrify my post because it would appear your respone reflects a misrepresentation of what was actually stated.

Nowhere did I state he's going to be learning anything from JaMarcus, therefore your asking: "why would I assume" does not represent what was stated. What I did say was that in response to a reporters question, Jason made the statement about learning from him which was stated in the quotation.[/quote]

You got some revisionist history going on bro here is your post: [quote=Longtimefan]Jason Campbell, in response to media questions said "he's going to try and learn as much as he possibly can" [B][I][SIZE="3"]from JaMarcus Russell.[/SIZE][/I][/B] I wonder just what it is he expects to learn? [I][B][SIZE="3"]Jason learning from him may very well find himself in his same predicament[/SIZE][/B][/I].[/quote]

Notice how YOU inserted the word 'from JaMarcus Russel after the quote?
Then later you refer directly to Jason learning from JaMarcus.

[quote=Longtimefan;697383] I'll stand by the reported statement even though at the time I read it, I had no intention of linking it in the post and don't remember exactly what site the report came from.
[/quote]

Relax, i just wanted a link so i could read it for myself as i plan to follow what happens with JCam's post Redskin career.

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[quote=Longtimefan;697345]Jason Campbell, in response to media questions said "he's going to try and learn as much as he possibly can" from JaMarcus Russell. I wonder just what it is he expects to learn? Jason learning from him may very well find himself in his same predicament.[/quote]

Please tell me this isn't the article you're citing

[url=http://www.realfakesports.com/articles/nfl/jason-campbell-thrilled-to-learn-from-veteran-like-jamarcus-russell.html]Jason Campbell Thrilled To Learn From Veteran Like JaMarcus Russell[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;697435]Please tell me this isn't the article you're citing

[url=http://www.realfakesports.com/articles/nfl/jason-campbell-thrilled-to-learn-from-veteran-like-jamarcus-russell.html]Jason Campbell Thrilled To Learn From Veteran Like JaMarcus Russell[/url][/quote]

"I bet I could have learned from Don, [B]but he wasn't even the first quarterback taken the year he was drafted, so that's a huge red flag[/B]. After listening to JaMarcus, I think McNabb is much [B]too concerned with skill work and film study and all that[/B], plus he was brought in to take my job so [B]I probably wouldn't have listened to him much anyway[/B]." Did JC really say this?

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[quote=44ever;697446]"I bet I could have learned from Don, [B]but he wasn't even the first quarterback taken the year he was drafted, so that's a huge red flag[/B]. After listening to JaMarcus, I think McNabb is much [B]too concerned with skill work and film study and all that[/B], plus he was brought in to take my job so [B]I probably wouldn't have listened to him much anyway[/B]." Did JC really say this?[/quote]

:spank:

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I'm not even going to bother readng that complete rubbish

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[quote=44ever;697446]"I bet I could have learned from Don, but he wasn't even the first quarterback taken the year he was drafted, so that's a huge red flag. After listening to JaMarcus, I think McNabb is much too concerned with skill work and film study and all that, plus he was brought in to take my job so I probably wouldn't have listened to him much anyway." [B]Did JC really say this?[/B][/quote]

lol it's from a sports satire blog.

Did you click on the link? Its glaringly obvious that its fake. "JC" said that JaMarcus told him to not worry about studying film and such and take more time out to relax.

Come on, you know it's not real... At least I hope you know it's not real. Stay out the kool-aid, bro. :woot:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;697449]lol it's from a sports satire blog.

Did you click on the link? Its glaringly obvious that its fake. "JC" said that JaMarcus told him to not worry about studying film and such and take more time out to relax.

Come on, you know it's not real... At least I hope you know it's not real. Stay out the kool-aid, bro. :woot:[/quote]

Thank goodness someone is paying attention!

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[quote=DynamiteRave;697449]lol it's from a sports satire blog.

Did you click on the link? Its glaringly obvious that its fake. "JC" said that JaMarcus told him to not worry about studying film and such and take more time out to relax.

Come on, you know it's not real... At least I hope you know it's not real. Stay out the kool-aid, bro. :woot:[/quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inattentional_blindness]Inattentional blindness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;697435]Please tell me this isn't the article you're citing

[url=http://www.realfakesports.com/articles/nfl/jason-campbell-thrilled-to-learn-from-veteran-like-jamarcus-russell.html]Jason Campbell Thrilled To Learn From Veteran Like JaMarcus Russell[/url][/quote]

I would not have believed Jason said what's printed there. I have been trying to locate the article I refered to earlier. I never read from that site.

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[quote=SmootSmack;697435]Please tell me this isn't the article you're citing

[url=http://www.realfakesports.com/articles/nfl/jason-campbell-thrilled-to-learn-from-veteran-like-jamarcus-russell.html]Jason Campbell Thrilled To Learn From Veteran Like JaMarcus Russell[/url][/quote]


The name of the sight should tell you it's B S (Real Fake Sports.)