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I think I see what you were trying to say here is another reason to wait.... but we dont' have to wait till Sat at 4pm we only have to wait till Fri. at 4pm.

[QUOTE]As part of the settlement, a moratorium will be in effect from now until 4 p.m. ET on Friday, September 17. During the moratorium, any club interested in trading for Jackson must receive advance permission from the Chargers before speaking with Jackson's representatives about possible contract terms. Trade compensation must be negotiated directly with the Chargers. San Diego may not trade Jackson until after the moratorium has expired.[/QUOTE]

I think we would have to talk with the Chargers to get permission, then agree on terms with VJ, then agree with the Chargers for compensation, and wait till after 4pm Fri when the Chargers can actually make the trade.

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The rumor stated that Vincent Jackson and his agent had a 1 year deal in place with a potential trade partner before AJ Smith nixed it. To me that doesn't sound like the Redskins but then again we don't even have a deal with our franchise QB.

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[quote=SBXVII;734355][QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;734341]I need a log to track all my conspiracy theories, unfortunately that might only prove how silly I am. Anyway conspiracy theory #1923:

Haynesworth's ankle is fine, but we know we are trading him in a 3 way deal with Tennessee and SD, so we are keeping him off the field so he doesn't get hurt. [B]The deal is all but done from the other week and now we just need to wait until 4pm saturday to make it so![/B][/quote]

Ok, I'll be the village idiot.... why do we have to wait till 4 pm Saturday? Why not just go ahead and get it done now? I mean the Chargers have from what?.... Wed of this week to Fri of next to get something done or he serves a full 7 games suspension? What is the significance of Saturday?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I was really assuming that it would take the day to get a deal done, we could start talking tomorrow is my understanding, and have a deal in place Saturday.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;734372]Sorry, I was really assuming that it would take the day to get a deal done, we could start talking tomorrow is my understanding, and have a deal in place Saturday.[/quote]

I've been thinking the same thing; however, I really would have assumed it would have been done last Monday after Dallas. But, maybe they were just waiting for the ruling on Jackson...but like you said it's a theory and probably nothing more.

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[quote=Ruhskins;734351]A win-win for everyone. Another scenario would be for a three-way trade with the Texans, as they play the 4-3 and could use a Haynesworth-type in their defense.[/quote]

Also, we wouldn't give up any draft picks. Another plus, IMO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;734382]Also, we wouldn't give up any draft picks. Another plus, IMO.[/quote]

hell, why not try and trade for Andre Johnson...that would never happen, but a guy can dream can't he

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I say we give DT#11 a chance to prove he's Showtime this weekend .. let him be the #2 guy and let em rip on a couple deep balls and some reverse action ... if we still don't feel good i think we look into picking up VJ ... the time is NOW to win the NFC East

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It doesn't sound like to me that the Skins are even showing interest in pursuing Jackson. I don't know if that means they are content with what we have or they just don't want to get into a bidding war with the other teams.

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They might be.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/vincent-jacksons-suspension-co-1.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Vincent Jackson's suspension could drop to four games[/url]

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[quote=DCtoAZ;734409]I say we give DT#11 a chance to prove he's Showtime this weekend .. let him be the #2 guy and let em rip on a couple deep balls and some reverse action ... if we still don't feel good i think we look into picking up VJ ... the time is NOW to win the NFC East[/quote]

I'd rather see if he can catch passes from the #2 spot before designing cute little reverses for DT. We saw what happens last week when an offense breaks its flow for the sake of getting the ball to a "play maker" (read: Dez Bryant on two screen passes). Still it would be smart to see if Thomas can play before making another serious offer for VJax. Especially considering that VJax wouldn't even be able to talk to the coaches until after his suspension was up (assuming I'm understanding the terms of the suspension correctly).

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[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/09/16/four-teams-have-been-linked-to-vincent-jackson/?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Four teams have been linked to Vincent Jackson «[/url]

Thursday Shanny said the team hasn't ruled out VJ

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I'm glad he did...if we traded 2 Numer 1 draft picks for this dickhead to get paid and be a BUM i'd be so pissed.

when are we going to learn you can't give these guys max contracts and expect results. you need to give them incentive based contracts.

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Couldn't agree more TG34.. That's why Rookie caps will be great. Sam Bradford just got 50M for what? Being the number 1 pick? That's a joke. Let these guys prove they can play before you pay.

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If the Chargers want 2 big picks for him they can deal with him sitting the bench and switching cities next year. If they can't go fire sale they can go f themselves in my opinion. Is proving a point worth losing it all? That's their question to answer. I'd offer up a 2 years from now 2nd and a next year 4th maximum.

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^ Part of our problem (I think) is our #3 and our #4 are tied up next yr. Depending on how McNabb does depends on which we send to Philli. The other goes to the Saints for the OL we picked up. So we have picks in rounds 1,2,5,6,7. Maybe we can offer this yrs 5th and a 2nd in 2011? I don't know.

I will say this about Thomas though. I was excited when we picked up both Thomas and Kelly. Kinda pissed we picked up Kelly already injured and needing surgery but we did. Kelly got a pass the first yr due to injury. Thomas really didn't shine, hardly saw the field. So WR's supposedly have a 3 yr improvement plan and shine in their 3rd yr according to some but Thomas didn't improve his second yr (hardly) and Kelly was injured again. This is the pairs 3rd yr, their bust out yr supposedly and Kelly is injured once again and Thomas is now what 4th, 5th on the depth chart?

Maybe he's just not as good as some of you want to believe, and your holding out hope he gets over some invisible hump that he might not ever get over. I saw potential in Mason and after 3 yrs of no improvement and a HC knowing what he's doing by letting him go I had to come to grips with the fact that Mason was just not as good as I thought. So to with Thomas.

If we can get VJ then get him... we need a WR with his type of talent... I don't care who it is and we are starting to look at slim picking now. But I'm honestly done holding out hope Thomas will step up and be "the man." Pretty bad when an undrafted WR steps up and looks better then a second rounder. Thomas should be embarrased.

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agreed SBXVII, he should be very embarassed. He stinks.

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DT should have been a valuable trade commodity, ie DT and 2012 2nd for VJ, but he apparently can't convince any coaches of his incredible worth. Us keeping him out of games is right up there with AH's "ankle sprain" for theorists like myself. If we trade AH to Tennesse (or Houston) for their 3rd, we ought to give SD that 3rd and DT for VJ. But DT really hasn't flashed enough to wet the lips over in SD. All in all, I believe VJ is going somewhere by Wednesday and if it's us, I would be good with it.

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Cant believe this hasn't been posted here yet..lol

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by Hitman#21 View Post
This is from a guy on twitter named Incarcerated Bob, he has been pretty spot on with all his news and called the Revis signing early that Sunday, he has good sources with the Jets but take it all with a grain of salt.

[url=http://twitter.com/incarceratedbob]incarcerated bob (incarceratedbob) on Twitter[/url]


"Washington Redskins have become front runners for Vincent Jackson but they want Jets involved in 3 way trade for Haynesworth"
"Redskins have called Jets to see interest in a three way deal involving Vincent Jackson to Skins & Haynesworth to Jets"
"Sources indicate Skins have been the aggressor and Jets have not committed either way. Skins want Jackson bad they need Jets"
"This is not a done deal and nothing is imminent-Just some Buzz from last night-I repeat Jets have not showed their hand yet"[/QUOTE]

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Incarcerated Bob? He sounds trustworthy.

[quote][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/vincent-jacksons-suspension-co-1.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Vincent Jackson's suspension could drop to four games[/url]

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Vincent Jackson's suspension could drop to four games[/SIZE][/B]

[B]Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan would not rule out pursuing San Diego receiver Vincent Jackson on Thursday but noted that "we don't talk about people as well, for obvious reasons."
[/B]
The NFL ruled earlier Thursday that Jackson's six-game suspension would be only four games if the Chargers manage to trade him. Jackson has been locked in a contract dispute with the Chargers, and if they trade him, he could be available in Week 5.
[B]
Shanahan offered few hints as to his intentions. "We'll always be trying to upgrade our football team, if that presented itself. We have people evaluating different people on teams all the time," Shanahan said. "You never know when a trade does work out or when you can get somebody to help your football team. But that's part of the process."[/B]

Reports have indicated that the Redskins have an interest in Jackson. And the preseason games and first regular-season game would seem to indicate that they still have the need. Santana Moss was the only receiver to notch more than one catch last week against the Cowboys. The team's other starter, 38-year-old Joey Galloway, was targeted just once and didn't have a reception in his Redskins' debut.

Shanahan said the fact that Jackson would not be available immediately will surely weigh on some team's decision.
[B]
"Obviously, you'd want a guy who could come in and help you right away over a guy who'd be suspended for four games,"[/B] he said. "I'm sure that people who do make up their mind obviously will weight the strengths and the weaknesses and make the decisions based on what's best for their organization."[/quote]


This answers nothing, except that VJ is being looked at.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;734592]Cant believe this hasn't been posted here yet..lol[/quote]

No offense, but if I cared about reports from ES, I'd be on ES.

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[quote=Lotus;734601]No offense, but if I cared about reports from ES, I'd be on ES.[/quote]

I just found the quote [B]FROM[/B] ES

The report is a twitter from incarcerated bob,who I've never even heard of...

But apparently,is a pretty good source from news from what I've been reading...They even respect the guy from the Jets ganggreen and many other boards..

It's all just speculation like everything else,but coming from this BOB character,apparently means more for some reason...

I'm just giving you guys the heads up...

If it's true then great..if not..oh well?

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Is DT seriously that bad as a WR? Did he even get a look on offensive against Dallas?

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Check it out (ESPN.com):
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5579273]Vincent Jackson to sit out four games if traded under terms of settlement - ESPN[/url]
[QUOTE]
"San Diego Chargers wide receiver Vincent Jackson will be eligible to play in Week 5 if he's traded under the terms of a settlement between the NFL and the players' union.

The NFL and the NFL Players Association settled the case in talks on Thursday, the same day Jackson was to appeal for his suspension to be halved to three games. The settlement provides for Jackson to sit out a total of four weeks -- all of his league-mandated three-game suspension and one additional week with his new team. He was due to sit out six weeks as a result of the Chargers placing him on the roster exempt list.

The pact clears the way for an NFL team to acquire Jackson, a top-tier wide receiver who caught 68 passes for 1,167 yards and nine touchdowns last season, for most of the season.

But the agreement comes with a deadline: [B]The Chargers have from 4 p.m. ET on Friday to 4 p.m. ET on Wednesday to trade Jackson in order for him to miss only four games. Otherwise, he's back to sitting out six games.[/B]" [/QUOTE]

We may not get him,but V-Jack will be dealt before Wednesday...

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so if we could do a 3 way trade which partner would be the best fit:
The parameters would be this:
the skins send a 5th to SD, AH to trading partner : Skins get VJ,
trading partner sends their 2nd to SD. : Gets AH
one option:maybe the Skins 5th goes to the trading partner and SD gets the trading partner's 6th

Tennessee
Houston (deal would have to be after this weekend's game I expect)
NYJ

Could this type deal happen, and which partner makes the most sense?

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[quote=Lotus;734601]No offense, but if I cared about reports from ES, I'd be on ES.[/quote]

OMG. Look dudes trying to pass on any info he learns. Some say the same BS about PFT, Redskins Insider, SI, and so on. Not everyone likes the same sources, so take it with a grain of salt and check your happy sources to see if they are saying the same thing then quote them if you like.

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There could be other teams wanting Haynesworth,but all we know for sure who "would" take him is the Titans.

The Jets lost Chris Jenkins and the Redskins have called them about Haynesworth,but the Jets are keeping things quiet on their end of this...

There could be others,but we just don't know...

The problem with the jets theory is they too,run the 3-4 scheme which contradicts Albert not wanting to play in a 3-4 if he's cool with going there. Maybe he just wants out of D.C...who knows?

But here's a possibility of a 3-way trade involving the jets if Rexy wants Fat Al...
[B]
Redskins trade Fat Al to Jets for a 3rd and 4th rounder
Redskins then send that 3rd and 4th rounder,plus their 5th round draft pick to chargers
Chargers send Vincent Jackson to Redskins

So Jets get Fat Al at the cost of a 3rd and 4th rounder
Redskins get Vincent Jackson at the cost of a 5th rounder
Chargers get all the picks of a 3rd,4th and 5th rounders from both teams and dump Vincent Jackson.

Fat Al can play right away...
V.Jackson is qualified to open and play against G.B. Packers game as his suspension is complete.
Chargers get draft picks and rid of Jackson from team [/B]

Jackson can also practice with Redskins for the remaining weeks of his suspension,to learn the Offense and be ready for that packers game.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;734621]so if we could do a 3 way trade which partner would be the best fit:
The parameters would be this:
the skins send a 5th to SD, AH to trading partner : Skins get VJ,
trading partner sends their 2nd to SD. : Gets AH
one option:maybe the Skins 5th goes to the trading partner and SD gets the trading partner's 6th

Tennessee
Houston (deal would have to be after this weekend's game I expect)
NYJ

Could this type deal happen, and which partner makes the most sense?[/quote]

I'm not cutting on you but some people have weird trade thoughts. I would presume the Skins would be trying to hook up with a team that runs the 4-3 and needs a DT in order to make AH happy and his new team. Thats if Tenn bails on us. Why would we send AH to any other team running a 3-4 knowing AH will not be happy and will stir the pot, and why would any team running the 3-4 like us want to pick him up knowing AH does not want to play in it?

So I'm guessing the Jets would not be our trading partner, or anyone else who utilizes the 3-4.

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[quote=SBXVII;734629]I'm not cutting on you but some people have weird trade thoughts. I would presume the Skins would be trying to hook up with a team that runs the 4-3 and needs a DT in order to make AH happy and his new team. Thats if Tenn bails on us. Why would we send AH to any other team running a 3-4 knowing AH will not be happy and will stir the pot, and why would any team running the 3-4 like us want to pick him up knowing AH does not want to play in it?

So I'm guessing the Jets would not be our trading partner, or anyone else who utilizes the 3-4.[/quote]
I added the Jets based on the one report above, I agree that only a 4-3 really makes sense, but Rex Ryan could think he can get AH going (and probably could)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;734631]I added the Jets based on the one report above, I agree that only a 4-3 really makes sense, but Rex Ryan could think he can get AH going (and probably could)[/quote]

I could see those two really blowing the team up. I'd love to watch it.

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I think another team to possibly throw in the mix on just pure speculation is maybe the Bucs?

They were 1 of 3 team willing to shell out 100 M dollars (redskins,Giants and Bucs) before this last offseason.

We aren't trading him to the giants,but maybe the Bucs come in to play?
Add in the Bruce Allen connection and the teams previous interest...maybe?

Plus they run the 4-3..I believe

It's going to get interesting....lol

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[quote=aceinthehouse;734628]...
Jackson can also practice with Redskins for the remaining weeks of his suspension,to learn the Offense and be ready for that packers game.[/quote]
As I understand it, even if Jackson is traded, he can't practice or be at the facility of any team until after the 4th game.

That is part of why I don't see Minnesota getting him. Sidney Rice can come off the PUP at week six (if he is physically able to), so you only get VJ 1 week earlier, that's a lot to pay for a couple of weeks without Rice.

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[quote=SBXVII;734629]I'm not cutting on you but some people have weird trade thoughts. I would presume the Skins would be trying to hook up with a team that runs the 4-3 and needs a DT in order to make AH happy and his new team. Thats if Tenn bails on us. Why would we send AH to any other team running a 3-4 knowing AH will not be happy and will stir the pot, and why would any team running the 3-4 like us want to pick him up knowing AH does not want to play in it?

[B]So I'm guessing the Jets would not be our trading partner, or anyone else who utilizes the 3-4[/B].[/quote]

Probably not, but 3-4 schemes differ team to team so it can't be totally ruled out.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;734634]As I understand it, even if Jackson is traded, he can't practice or be at the facility of any team until after the 4th game.

That is part of why I don't see Minnesota getting him. Sidney Rice can come off the PUP at week six (if he is physically able to), so you only get VJ 1 week earlier, that's a lot to pay for a couple of weeks without Rice.[/quote]

I guess I've heard differently then...

I was told that Big Ben cannot practice with the team,but V.Jackson is able to practice with the team because of the type of suspension...

And the reason he's not practicing now,is because he's holding out for a new contract.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;734637]I guess I've heard differently then...

I was told that Big Ben cannot practice with the team,but V.Jackson is able to practice with the team because of the type of suspension...

And the reason he's not practicing now,is because he's holding out for a new contract.[/quote]

I was under that impression too. I thought the no practice was exclusive to ben as well

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[quote=Mattyk;734636]Probably not, but 3-4 schemes differ team to team so it can't be totally ruled out.[/quote]

Still, the Haslet schme seems like the best one to give Haynesworth a chance to rush upfield and shoot gaps.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;734641]Still, the Haslet schme seems like the best one to give Haynesworth a chance to rush upfield and shoot gaps.[/quote]

AND is it not rewarding to see BIG making such......large strides with it?

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From [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5579273"]ESPN[/URL]:

[QUOTE]If Jackson is traded before Wednesday, he'll be allowed to report to the new club and, at the team's discretion, be eligible to participate in activities permitted by the substance abuse policy for the remainder of his suspension. When the DUI suspension ends, he'll be permitted to practice with his new team under the roster exempt rules before the fourth game, but will be unavailable to play and cannot be paid until the fifth game.[/QUOTE]

So it's a bit of a mix, but basically he can't practice until after the 3rd week, which would give him two weeks of on field practice with DMcNabb or where ever he goes.

I certainly would hope we would atleast make a shot at getting him.

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Nothing says he can't get the play book and maybe even have a coach getting him caught up. The original suspension was 3 weeks away from any NFL facility, then 3 weeks before he could play in a game. All the NFL did was shorten his time to get on the field by one game. We pick him up hand him a play book, and have a position coach go over to his house after hours and coach him up via film. After week 3 he can show up and practice with the team so he can learn it but he's still not elligible to play for 2 weeks the whole time learning the offense and after game 5 he could hit the ground running.

The question is can the Skins get enough out of their WR's they have now to win games prior to VJ being able to play?

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[quote=SBXVII;734661][B]Nothing says he can't get the play book and maybe even have a coach getting him caught up.[/B] The original suspension was 3 weeks away from any NFL facility, then 3 weeks before he could play in a game. All the NFL did was shorten his time to get on the field by one game. We pick him up hand him a play book, and have a position coach go over to his house after hours and coach him up via film. After week 3 he can show up and practice with the team so he can learn it but he's still not elligible to play for 2 weeks the whole time learning the offense and after game 5 he could hit the ground running.

The question is can the Skins get enough out of their WR's they have now to win games prior to VJ being able to play?[/quote]

Yes it does. If someone was going to get Jackson caught up it would have to be a player. The purpose of a suspension under the leagues personal conduct policy is to isolate a player from the team. Thats why they're not allowed to practice nor show up to the teams facilities while they're suspended. From what I understand, they can still stay in contact with their teammates and team doctors, but coaches are not allowed to talk to players serving suspensions.

Consider this, the Jets are currently being investigated because Rex Ryan visited Sanchez at an unofficial practice organized by Sanchez. The practice itself was legal but the coach being there was not. The NFL is very strict when it comes to matters like this.

Edit; Never mind. The terms of the suspension depends on the player and the nature of the crime. Santonio Holmes for example is simply banned from practice and regular season games. However he may participate in everything else. Ben Rothelisberger on the other hand is banned from the team facility.

[quote]New York Jets wide receiver Santonio Holmes isn't banned from the team's headquarters while he serves a four-game suspension for violating the NFL substance-abuse policy.

Holmes is allowed to work out at the Jets' training complex and can attend team meetings, but isn't allowed to participate in practice sessions.

Jets coach Rex Ryan had said that Holmes wasn't allowed to have contact with coaches and was of the belief that Holmes would have to use Skype to talk with quarterback Mark Sanchez.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the New York Post that's not the case, though, for players serving under a year's suspension for violating the league's drug policy.

[B]However, players who violate [/B]the steroid policy [B]or the personal conduct policy[/B] such as the Pittsburgh Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger aren't allowed to go to the team facility or have contact with the team during their suspensions.[/quote]

After reading this it looks like Vincent Jackson is in the same boat as Big Ben.

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I think what everyone is failing to see is that I'm sure we are interested in V.Jackson, however, I am confident the Chargers are overpricing him. He doesn't appear to want to ever play for San Diego again, nor do they want to sign him...so why would teams pay top dollar for a guy that will be released eventually? If San Diego really thinks he's that valuable, they should sign him.