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Defense:

DL (8) -- Golston, Haynesworth, Carriker, Kemoeatu, Daniels, Holliday, A. Bryant, Jarmon
LB (8) -- Fletcher, McIntosh, Orakpo, Carter, Blades, Riley, Alexander, Wilson
CB (5) -- Rogers, Hall, Buchanon, Barnes, Westbrook
S (4) -- Landry, Doughty, Horton, Moore

That's 25 on Defense.

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I think we may need a LB and WR. If we sign a WR another one goes off our roster.

With losing Henson, I think we need to get a solid ILB to go along with the current group. Blades cannot be trusted in the new scheme. He cannot even make a tackle anymore.

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Blades, Wilson, Westbrook, Alexander, and Riley will all be big on special teams coverage.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;728338]Wow all our 7th round picks got cut. Only goes to show you why you should do all you can to keep your first and second rounders.[/quote]

Well, they will most likely go to the practice squad, and when we go to 18 games, and increase the roster, they will make the team!

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Offense:

QB (3): McNabb, Grossman, Beck
RB (5): Portis, Johnson, Williams, Sellers, Young
WR (6): Moss, Armstrong, Thomas, Galloway, Williams, Banks
TE (2): Cooley, Davis
OL (8): Trent Williams, Dockery, Rabach, Hicks, Brown, Lichtensteiger, Heyer, Will Montgomery

That's 24 on offense. Room for one more. Will Montgomery is the lone Groundhog Day inclusion. Anthony Bryant the other real surprise on defense.

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Logan Paulsen is listed on Ryan O'Halloran's 53 man. I've seen him listed as a confirmed cut for many hours.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/09/04/10/Redskins-Set-53-Man-Roster/landing.html?blockID=304534&feedID=287]Redskins Set 53-Man Roster[/url]

If we still have Paulsen, that's a full roster.

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Rich_Campbell

So it does. Tryon (traded) is not on the list. nRT @JoeWebDesign: @Rich_Campbell If you read the article, it states Paulsen made the team 2 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Wow, can getting to 53 be anymore complicated

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yep... 21 players cut and 1 traded.

Logan Paulsen makes the team. Thanks Gtripp for pointing out the guys I missed.

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We did a poor job selecting offensive lineman. Period. We were a better team if you gave us a random ten-man OL from the 80 man roster than we are now. This team has Rabach, Hicks, and Will Montgomery on it. That's bad, and it's worse when you realize we cut people to get to that.

Lichtensteiger is going to be good for this team, but he can't start at both RG and C AND be the third TE. We have little behind Rabach/Hicks. I didn't think we needed to keep more than eight, necessarily, but I also didn't think our solution to having a log jam of interior OL prospects was to cut them all.

I think we did well at wide receiver. We have a good balance between special teamers, speedsters, and route running technicians. We kept all the keeper WRs we had, possible exception to Terrence Austin, who probably isn't going too far if we need him. I like keeping Darryl Young a lot as the (season-)long term project at FB. And I think they did as well as they could have with the RBs. Torain is probably better than Johnson, but the contract they gave to Johnson backed them into a corner. Williams was a keeper.

I think we might be a bit thin in the back seven, particularly in the secondary, but if we use Chris Horton to the best of his talents, we can get a package linebacker out of him, eliminating the need to keep more than eight. I don't know why Byron Westbrook has as many lives as he does. No idea.

In conclusion, I think we butchered the offensive line, while doing well elsewhere. Or in other words, kind of like last year.

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At least there is the hope that bootlegs and the use of zone-blocking on pass plays can at least somwhat mitigate the awful we might experience should the starters go down.

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Only two of our draft picks make the team?!?! Really? Oh boy!

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We have a decent roster. Wish Austin was kept, but Banks has that speed going for him. They need to have him run drills with wet footballs or something to correct his fumbling.

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Thanks for putting the cuts in neat summary lists, GTripp.

As for Westbrook, I've come to the conclusion that he has a very powerful guardian angel. There is no other explanation.

Austin had better be on the PS. I think he was robbed by a geriatric who couldn't get on the field in the past and hardly lit it up in the preseason.

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Yea I dont understand Austin not makin the team

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I am not going to say this team is done and set at any position. Bruce and Mike will add a couple of guys here and there. They said as much on Redskins.com. Basically saying that they are watching the waiver wires and the final 53 is set as of now, but there is still a possiblity of adding more pieces.

As far as the Oline goes we did the best we could to turn over the mess that was here last year. We have 2 great tackles a good backup. Heyer as much as I wanted to write him off before preseason, proved to be a much improved player than that of last year.

As for the the interior other than Kory L. I do not know much about them other than I really don't want to know much about them. ;)

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GTripp. I got 2 options for you. Max Jean Gilles from the eagles and Justin Hartwig from the Steelers were both cut today.

As far as a LB why not look at Derek Burgess from the Pats?

A couple of quality 2nd tier guys who could help improve this team.

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Can someone tell me why Daryl Young, Roydell Williams, Will Montgomery, and Byron Westbrook all made the team, and Terrance Austin, Edwin Williams, and Tyrone Carter didn't make the team?

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I think everyone is baffled when it comes to Austin, and now, with Will Mont. and Westbrook.

The end result it seems = pretty much the same as last year, except we got CHEAP old players instead of overpayed mercs, and didn't waste Dans money.

I want to believe that this team is vastly different, but noticing that our O-Line is only slightly improved (just the starters) over last year, and the backups could be even worse, I wonder where all of that competition went to. Why the geriatric WR's, and why release a young WR who did everything he was supposed to do except get drafted in the second round in the draft? (Bad, BAD Terrance *smacks him on the fingers*) DT's draft position protects him, and we let this playmaker go, or at least give other teams a real shot at snagging him.(I'll bet the Rams and the Bucs are looking at him, maybe even the vikes....) ****in' flawless............****in' flawless......



With the injuries to McNabb, our WR's and our complete lack of OLine depth, and lets not get into Mr. Botched Banks or HB Dull Blades making the team, is anyone else worried about this season? I know people will say, awwww, DMac is fine, he is starting week one, don't worry.........But an injury to his leg already......and you think our line is gonna be any different in protection for the rest of the year? If that preseason hit put him into a walking boot, then he better get ready to contact the sales reps for HoverRound........

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;728377]GTripp. I got 2 options for you. Max Jean Gilles from the eagles and Justin Hartwig from the Steelers were both cut today.

As far as a LB why not look at Derek Burgess from the Pats?

A couple of quality 2nd tier guys who could help improve this team.[/quote]Honestly, I liked a bunch of guys we cut a lot more than Jean Gilles. Hartwig>Rabach, but it's not like we can just switch the center right now and expect no dropoff.

Montgomery made the team because he can play center, which seems like a really terrible reason. Its no secret that all coaches have favorites, but just to put it in perspective: if we had kept just eight OLmen last year, Will Montgomery wouldn't have made that team. And that team was terrible up front.

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Just about everyone agrees about Austin but, there's no need to be upset unless he doesn't clear waivers. You have to have confidence that Montgomery beat out Edwin Williams, Cook, and, Rinehart. Lichtenstiger swings C too. Roydell Williams played well and he's under 30. Only Moss and Galloway are over right? My only knock on Westbrook is that ugly number 34 but, CB depth is questionable talent wise.

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[quote=GTripp0012;728404]Honestly, I liked a bunch of guys we cut a lot more than Jean Gilles. Hartwig>Rabach, but it's not like we can just switch the center right now and expect no dropoff.

Montgomery made the team because he can play center, which seems like a really terrible reason. Its no secret that all coaches have favorites, but just to put it in perspective: if we had kept just eight OLmen last year, Will Montgomery wouldn't have made that team. And that team was terrible up front.[/quote]

Yes, Montgomery probably would have made the team last year with only 8 OL. He was a "favorite" of Bugle too.

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Honestly,I love our roster...

If I had to make a move...it would be to cut/trade R.Williams and get a sure #2 or #3 WR on the roster...
For example..T.J. hushmazilly

Then have a WR core of Moss,T.J.,Galloway,Armstrong and Banks

That would be a pretty darn good WR core...imo

With Austin on the practice squad in case of a bad injury...

But I do believe,we need to find a way to replace R.Williams..
I don't think he's a bad receiver,I just think we could significantly upgrade the WR position.

banks has way too much potential to be replaced here and is very young..
I think R.Williams is what...29?

But the 5 I have are very fast/quick not to mention the 2 studs in cooley and davis...

This is the move I'm hoping we make people...
be it williams for T.J.....or whoever...

Other than that! I love the roster...

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[quote=GTripp0012;728404]Honestly, I liked a bunch of guys we cut a lot more than Jean Gilles. Hartwig>Rabach, but it's not like we can just switch the center right now and expect no dropoff.

Montgomery made the team because he can play center, which seems like a really terrible reason. Its no secret that all coaches have favorites, but just to put it in perspective: if we had kept just eight OLmen last year, Will Montgomery wouldn't have made that team. And that team was terrible up front.[/quote]

Just out of curiousity who would you have kept? I have a great respect for the numbers game you have created in breaking down players on the Oline and I wonder who you saw in preseason that would have warranted GM Gtripp to keep? BTW I am not trying to be a smart ass at all and I do respect your opinion on this part of the team in particular.

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This is only the 53 man roster for now. If I were R. Williams, D. Young, Westbrook, Banks, Paulsen, Riley, Barnes I wouldn't get to comfortable.

Lot of players on the market. I would think there are moves coming.

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As a sign of the roster turnover and how bad our roster was at the end of the season last year, of the 10 players released in March (Randy Thomas, Rock, Randle-El, Betts, Griffin, Smoot, Collins, Mason, E. Williams, Stolinsky) only 3 are on other teams final rosters (Randle-El in Pittsburgh, Rock in Oakland and Collins in Chicago) and none have significant roles.

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CAN NOT believe they cut Austin over Banks. Is he going to the practice squad? How can any of the coaches actually trust Banks? He's put the ball on the ground way too much and for that alone he shouldn't have made the team. I know he's made some nice plays but 5'7 145lbs guys don't make it in the NFL.

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Also can someone tell me why these guys have such a hard on for Beck? Just cause he played in a similar system in college? Bartel clearly out played him. Not sure what they're thinking there.

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I also don't think we need to go out and get TJ Housh. Outside of Moss it looks like they're going to go with a WR by committiee approach and I kinda like that. Keeps everyone fresh and hopefully one or two guys will emerge.

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Because Skinfan...
Not only is banks a very dangerous return man (good and bad) but is probably the biggest homerun threat on the team.

Plus,what doesn't get mentioned either,is Austin was our leading receiver in the preseason with 10 catches for 146 yards & 1 TD.....Did you guys know that Banks was #2 with 8 catches for 129 yards?

The guy may be small,but he can play. He's not just some small fast kid.

Yes,he does need to work on holding on to the football,but this can & will be corrected I believe.

But everytime watching this kid,I always felt he could take every return to the house when touching the football.

Hell...that damn bubble screen looked like it was going for 70...lol

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You guys act like you're the ones dissecting game and practice tape; and at the facility holding practices with these guys day in and day out.

Look, cutting and trading players isn't an exact science and every coach blows one here and there, but on the whole I'm 100% confident that our staff made the right roster decisions. I mean, did Justin Tryon really have a definitive edge over the players that we decided to keep this year? I didn't think so, unless you guys were watching a different Tryon. He was an average nickel guy, in my opinion. Again, my opinion. I think you can make an argument against Westbrook, but on the other hand he's been pretty solid on teams since the day he got here. And now that Rock is no longer here, we need a few guys flying to the ball on kick-offs and punts.

As Pain pointed out most of the guys we were whining about just five months ago aren't even in the NFL right now. Ladell Betts could do no wrong around here, but he couldn't even make the running back starved New Orleans Saints. Colt Brennen, lord have mercy! The list goes on and on.

I think the 53 we see today probably won't be the same 53 that suits up for Dallas; Terrence Austin included.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;728420]Just out of curiousity who would you have kept? I have a great respect for the numbers game you have created in breaking down players on the Oline and I wonder who you saw in preseason that would have warranted GM Gtripp to keep? BTW I am not trying to be a smart ass at all and I do respect your opinion on this part of the team in particular.[/quote]I would have kept Rinehart and Edwin Williams instead of Montgomery. That would bring the total to nine.

I'd also probably have Rinehart or Lichtensteiger starting at RG shortly. I think Kory will, at some point, but there's just no one else behind him.

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[quote=12thMan;728435]You guys act like you're the ones dissecting game and practice tape; and at the facility holding practices with these guys day in and day out.

Look, cutting and trading players isn't an exact science and every coach blows one here and there, but on the whole I'm 100% confident that our staff made the right roster decisions. I mean, did Justin Tryon really have a definitive edge over the players that we decided to keep this year? I didn't think so, unless you guys were watching a different Tryon. He was an average nickel guy, in my opinion. Again, my opinion. I think you can make an argument against Westbrook, but on the other hand he's been pretty solid on teams since the day he got here. And now that Rock is no longer here, we need a few guys flying to the ball on kick-offs and punts.

As Pain pointed out most of the guys we were whining about just five months ago aren't even in the NFL right now. Ladell Betts could do no wrong around here, but he couldn't even make the running back starved New Orleans Saints. Colt Brennen, lord have mercy! The list goes on and on.

I think the 53 we see today probably won't be the same 53 that suits up for Dallas; Terrence Austin included.[/quote]

What you say just means we can't draft worth shit, or just have really bad luck with drafting. I can't see how anyone here could feel anything, but so so towards our roster. It doesn't suck, but those who are really happy with it, can't be serious. We cut Austin for the small ass speedster in Banks. Gutsy move, but what happens if Banks get nailed. He is shorter and weighs less than I do, and if a NFL CB nailed me full speed I would be in the hospital. Everyone here in last year's draft had it right about getting the 6'4" stud WR that could get the high ball, now we want undersized smurfs that are speedy. It might work, but then again it might be a disaster. In short, I think our roster is rather vanilla and lacking in depth with the exception of QB and RB.

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[quote=Paintrain;728426]As a sign of the roster turnover and how bad our roster was at the end of the season last year, of the 10 players released in March (Randy Thomas, Rock, Randle-El, Betts, Griffin, Smoot, Collins, Mason, E. Williams, Stolinsky) only 3 are on other teams final rosters (Randle-El in Pittsburgh, Rock in Oakland and Collins in Chicago) and none have significant roles.[/quote]

I thought Todd Collins declined a contract offer from Chicago?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;728438]What you say just means we can't draft worth shit, or just have really bad luck with drafting. I can't see how anyone here could feel anything, but so so towards our roster. It doesn't suck, but those who are really happy with it, can't be serious. We cut Austin for the small ass speedster in Banks. Gutsy move, but what happens if Banks get nailed. He is shorter and weighs less than I do, and if a NFL CB nailed me full speed I would be in the hospital. Everyone here in last year's draft had it right about getting the 6'4" stud WR that could get the high ball, now we want undersized smurfs that are speedy. It might work, but then again it might be a disaster. In short, I think our roster is rather vanilla and lacking in depth with the exception of QB and RB.[/quote]

Where is this 6'4" WR stud you keep talking about? And you would be in the hospital, I am assuming Banks is faster, and more elusive than you are and probably stronger. You can't hit what you can't catch.

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Also Kelly and Thomas were supposed to be the tall "studs" you keep referring to. So we've been down that road. Do we need WR help? Yes but don't talk as if we passed on Andre Johnson to keep Banks. The 2011 draft will have plenty of potential "studs" at WR and I am sure we will end up drafting one of them.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;728438]What you say just means we can't draft worth shit, or just have really bad luck with drafting. I can't see how anyone here could feel anything, but so so towards our roster. It doesn't suck, but those who are really happy with it, can't be serious. We cut Austin for the small ass speedster in Banks. Gutsy move, but what happens if Banks get nailed. He is shorter and weighs less than I do, and if a NFL CB nailed me full speed I would be in the hospital. Everyone here in last year's draft had it right about getting the 6'4" stud WR that could get the high ball, now we want undersized smurfs that are speedy. It might work, but then again it might be a disaster. In short, I think our roster is rather vanilla and lacking in depth with the exception of QB and RB.[/quote]

I'm not sure we just wanted the smurfs but the smurfs did perform a lot better than the 6'2 & 6'4 WR on our team imo

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[quote=GusFrerotte;728438]What you say just means we can't draft worth shit, or just have really bad luck with drafting. I can't see how anyone here could feel anything, but so so towards our roster. It doesn't suck, but those who are really happy with it, can't be serious. We cut Austin for the small ass speedster in Banks. [I][B]Gutsy move, but what happens if Banks get nailed. He is shorter and weighs less than I do, and if a NFL CB nailed me full speed I would be in the hospital.[/B][/I] Everyone here in last year's draft had it right about getting the 6'4" stud WR that could get the high ball, now we want undersized smurfs that are speedy. It might work, but then again it might be a disaster. In short, I think our roster is rather vanilla and lacking in depth with the exception of QB and RB.[/quote]

Desean Jackson isn't much bigger, and I would think we'd just do what the Eagles do. You put Banks in situations where he won't be cutting across the middle. I mean you're right when people that size take a straight shot (ex. Jackson concussion from Fletcher), but smart coaches plan to make sure that doesn't happen.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;728438]What you say just means we can't draft worth shit, or just have really bad luck with drafting. I can't see how anyone here could feel anything, but so so towards our roster. It doesn't suck, but those who are really happy with it, can't be serious. We cut Austin for the small ass speedster in Banks. Gutsy move, but what happens if Banks get nailed. He is shorter and weighs less than I do, and if a NFL CB nailed me full speed I would be in the hospital. Everyone here in last year's draft had it right about getting the 6'4" stud WR that could get the high ball, now we want undersized smurfs that are speedy. It might work, but then again it might be a disaster. In short, I think our roster is rather vanilla and lacking in depth with the exception of QB and RB.[/quote]

Why are we making Terrence Austin out to be the next All Pro stud? Dude is good, he's on the PS, and I think before it's all said and done he'll be activated. I don't know under what circumstances, but I have a feeling he won't be just rotting away on our PS forever.

As far as big receivers go, Gus, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. This league has become as much a small receiver league, if not moreso, as it is a big receiver league. Outside a handful of guys like Andre Johnon, Randy Moss, and Larry Fitz, there just aren't a lot of ballers at the WR position 6'3" and over. And for every guy over six feet, there's a Wes Welker, a Percy Harvin, Desean Jackson, Steve Smith (NYG and Panthers) and I'll throw in Santana Moss.

In terms of depth, well, that's the great debate every year on this board and every other fan forum around the league. Fans tend to feel satisfied if their team is stocked and loaded at every position with the next perennial All Pro just waiting in the wings. I submit our back-up situation isn't dire and is probably on par with most NFL rosters. I think our secondary, contrary to what most here feel, could be one of the best this year; in terms of starters and quality of depth. What team can honestly lose a starter at corner and not feel it? Let's see how the Jets fair without Revis and the Ravens without Ed Reed. I think we're more loaded in the secondary than we realize.

The way I look at it the offensive line was going to be a project no matter what following the career ending injuries to Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas. Then we bring in Shanny and a new crew, so we're in the middle of re-building along the front and I think it's going to take another year or two. I like we have in Trent Williams though. Casey Rabach ain't no Jeff Saturday, but he's pretty consistent and he doesn't miss a lot of games. So well see.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;728446]Desean Jackson isn't much bigger, and I would think we'd just do what the Eagles do. You put Banks in situations where he won't be cutting across the middle. I mean you're right when people that size take a straight shot (ex. Jackson concussion from Fletcher), but smart coaches plan to make sure that doesn't happen.[/quote]

Not to mention Darren Sproles who plays RB at 5'6" 185lbs and runs between the tackles.

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[quote=mooby;728441]I thought Todd Collins declined a contract offer from Chicago?[/quote]

At first he did, but ended up signing with them a few days later.