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[quote=tootergray34;738031]you can put the turd in silver and black...but it still STINKS!

haha I kid I kid, I really like JC, nicest guy alive...he just never gets a break man. tipped ball INT's seem to happen to him more than anyone. Then Gradkowski comes in looking incredible and they are saying he's a better leader...poor JC. At least his "pockets straight"

what'd we get for him ... a 4th rounder?[/quote]

Yeah, JC's a nice guy, but I think that, IF THIS FLORIO THING IS TRUE, he's been little complacent for too long. He's not good at creating his own "breaks".

He shouldn't be complaining(internally in his mind) about Grads begging to get in. Joey T was so desperate to get on the field he asked to return punts.

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A controversy in Oakland.....? Now thats a shocker.

SOUP is not any NFL teams answer to a QB fix.

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Mike Florio will not decide who the starting QB for the Raiders will be this Sunday or next Sunday.

Mike Florio's sources will not decide who the starting QB for the Raiders will be.

Raiders fans and journalists who cover the team and/or the NFL will not make that decision.

Interestingly, I'm not sure at all that Tom Cable will make that final decision either.

I have this feeling that the gentleman upstairs in the owners' box who tends to wear monochromatic jump suits with eyeglasses on a chain will have a very loud voice in the choir here.

So, unless Big Al calls a press conference and uses an overhead projector with vugraphs to explain his reasoning, I don't think anyone really knows who the starter on Sunday is gonna be.

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So do people still believe that the Raiders will have a better team than the Redskins this year with JC as thier QB?

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I don't think the Raiders have the better team but they may have a better record because of the schedule.

The Raiders play 6 games in the AFC West - - and that is the weakest division in the AFC. And the NFC division they play is the NFC West meaning they play the Rams, Cardinals, Seahawks and Niners. There could be a few "gimmes" in that mix.

Meanwhile the Redskins have six games against the NFC East (better than the AFC West) and their AFC division opponents include Indy, Houston, Tennessee and Jax.

Skins' schedule is a lot tougher.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;738084]So do people still believe that the Raiders will have a better team than the Redskins this year with JC as thier QB?[/quote]

Did anyone ever believe that? I think that people thought we could keep JC, get McNabb's production, all the while keeping our second round pick. I doubt anyone thought that Oakland would be better then us.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;738088]Did anyone ever believe that? I think that [B]people thought we could keep JC, get McNabb's production, all the while keeping our second round pick.[/B] I doubt anyone thought that Oakland would be better then us.[/quote]

Who would dare think that. JC = Backup

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;738091]Who would dare think that. JC = Backup[/quote]

It's a large fan base. We're bound to have some crazies.

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By me living in the Bay it's safe to say that I'm surrounded by Raider fans. I've told them before the season even started that Gradkowski would end up being their starting QB. Damn it's great to tell them all "I told you so". For some reason the Raiders turn into a completely different team when he's in at QB. All of the sudden the receivers are open, and they actually catch the ball once it's thrown to them. It's mortifying.

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I'm not suprised seeing as though he didn't want to stick around at workouts after we traded for Donovan. If it's true that he said that Gradkowski asked for playing time then hell, you came in and thought you were going to just waltz in and take his job. Of course he's gonna fight for it. Jason underperformed but he doesn't have the emotional attatchment to that fan base as he did with ours. So there aren't going to be that many folks in the media or in the public that will defend him. Bruce had the team going in an alright direction last year, Hue saw what Jason had to offer. As I've said many times before, the tape doesn't lie !

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I think I read over there at the Raider forums that the crowd was chanting "Bruuuuuce" at the end of the first half.

Man, that's worse than when our fans booed the team in our win against the Lambs last year.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;738107]I'm not suprised seeing as though he didn't want to stick around at workouts after we traded for Donovan. If it's true that he said that Gradkowski asked for playing time then hell, you came in and thought you were going to just waltz in and take his job. Of course he's gonna fight for it. Jason underperformed but he doesn't have the emotional attatchment to that fan base as he did with ours. So there aren't going to be that many folks in the media or in the public that will defend him. Bruce had the team going in an alright direction last year, Hue saw what Jason had to offer. As I've said many times before, the tape doesn't lie ![/quote]

Truer words had never been spoken.

I said it last year. Jason Campbell was the only quarterback in the NFL that didnt have to work for his job. Jason was the anointed starter here since 2006, and no matter how poorly he played, he never had to worry about replacement. Fans got the taste that he was contributing to the team's woes when Collins played lights out in 07. No way a 5-6 skins team led by Campbell would've made the playoffs. Jason would have finished 6-10 or maybe even 5-11!

Now he figures he can do the same shit in Oakland, just walk in and be the starter, not having to earn anything, or work for anything. Gradkowski deserves this job. Not only is he the better player, but he earned the job. Jason never did anything but show up and expect everything.

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So, will we have a new way to bring Campbell up every week. He really is gone guys, can we just move on?

Re: Drama in Oakland, according to PFT, that is
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;738132]So, will we have a new way to bring Campbell up every week. He really is gone guys, can we just move on?[/quote]

You want me to unleash my homo love for Jay Cutler every week instead?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;738088]Did anyone ever believe that? I think that people thought we could keep JC, get McNabb's production, all the while keeping our second round pick. [/quote]

Yeah, McNabb comes in and showed that he's skilled at a couple things NOT recorded by "stats". I think that because he was an Eagle, Skins fans didn't want to pay attention to the good areas of his game, and I think it's completely understandable. He's been the face of a division rival for over a decade, of course one's going to emphasize his flaws.

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We know this story...
He'll probably get traded this time to Buffalo for a conditional 7th round pick for the 2019 season.

In which case the Bills will sign Jeff Garcia,draft Locker in the 1st round and have these 3 QB's on there roster for 2011.

But JC will get automatically told to the press,that JC is their starting QB by Chan Gailey.
That they know he has the skills and doesn't need to prove anything to anyone....

There's just no need for JC to earn the starting spot for the Bills....

Isn't that the story we have here...?

lol

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[quote=SolidSnake84;738130]Truer words had never been spoken.

I said it last year. [B]Jason Campbell was the only quarterback in the NFL that didnt have to work for his job[/B]. Jason was the anointed starter here since 2006, and no matter how poorly he played, he never had to worry about replacement. Fans got the taste that he was contributing to the team's woes when Collins played lights out in 07. No way a 5-6 skins team led by Campbell would've made the playoffs. Jason would have finished 6-10 or maybe even 5-11!

Now he figures he can do the same shit in Oakland, just walk in and be the starter, not having to earn anything, or work for anything. Gradkowski deserves this job. Not only is he the better player, but he earned the job. Jason never did anything but show up and expect everything.[/quote]

Really? So I guess Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. were all fighting for jobs last year?

Re: Drama in Oakland, according to PFT, that is
 

[quote=MonkFan4Life;738107]I'm not suprised seeing as though he didn't want to stick around at workouts after we traded for Donovan. If it's true that he said that Gradkowski asked for playing time then hell, you came in and thought you were going to just waltz in and take his job. Of course he's gonna fight for it. Jason underperformed [B]but he doesn't have the emotional attatchment to that fan base as he did with ours.[/B] So there aren't going to be that many folks in the media or in the public that will defend him. Bruce had the team going in an alright direction last year, Hue saw what Jason had to offer. As I've said many times before, the tape doesn't lie ![/quote]

That's a really good point. I'm one of those that was attached to him because Gibbs drafted him, he was the qb of the future & he is a likable media figure, though not dynamic in the least. I'd also watched him beat my Hokies in the sugar bowl in 04-5 & thought he was pretty composed as a leader.

Now as you said, he's got to start over, but the catch is that they expected him to be a starter from day 1 & play like their qb of the future. Well, either the future has been delayed or Gradkowski is their future.

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[quote=Mattyk;738143]Really? So I guess Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. were all fighting for jobs last year?[/quote]

I dont think i made a clear enough point. The QB's you named above all had earned their jobs through their play, and were clearly the best option for their respective teams. Jason never did that, he never had to do that. Nobody made him prove anything. They just gave him the starting job...

When I said Jason didnt have to earn his job, i meant that even in 2006 when he was unproven, he just was thrust into the lineup, and its like somebody told him "Jason, no matter what, no matter how poor you play, you will never have to worry about being benched".

Brunell: outplayed Campbell (playoffs)
Collins: outplayed Campbell (playoffs)

It took a new GM, and a new coach to realize that Cambell wasnt the teams best option. And as soon as a new QB was brought in, Jason sulked, wouldnt talk to the media, wouldn't workout, etc...

Now hes doing the same thing in Oakland....

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JC was a rookie in 2005 when Brunell took us to the playoffs, the job was clearly Brunell's that year. JC wasn't even active most of the season if I remember right. So saying MB outplayed him really isn't saying much.

This is all beyond silly right now anyway. Why are we still talking about this guy? Anyone?

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Campbell is the worst type of QB a franchise can get. He is good enough to make you believe but not good enough to actually delivery that belief. So what ends up happening is that type of QB ends up setting a franchise back many years and frustrates everyone. Happens all the time and it is why in football that is the hardest position to fill.

Basically he is mediocre.

I like the guy and I cheered for him when he was here but now that he has moved on I wish him the best and really don't expect him to do much.

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He is pathetic. I am so glad we got rid of his ass.

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I guess people just want to see him fail so we can sit back and rejoice that we let him go. He seems to be a class act and I'd like to see him succeed and who cares because we have moved on.

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[quote=Mechanix544;738152]He is pathetic. I am so glad we got rid of his ass.[/quote]


You realize you sound like a jilt fat girl at Dunkn Donuts talking about the guy she asked to the prom but shockingly he said NO!

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Why do people say he is a class act?

Has anyone [B]EVER[/B] heard him say..[B].I[/B] need to play better or [B]I[/B] was having trouble with the blitzes or [B]I[/B] struggled and will bounce back next week or anything with I in it?

It's either We....or they...

The guy has [B]never[/B] shown me any kind of leadership to any degree! Leadership requires responsibility and accountability.

If he's not blaming his O-line,Wr's or even his unfortunate position of being a black man and how it's not fair,he's dumbfounded for being yanked in a half for throwing a pick and fumbling twice or vice versa like he did against Oakland.

Look,people get sick of Brett Favre for all the pampering he gets and the excuses made for him for throwing late game ending drive INT's that lose him games...But at least the dude has done something in this League and has proved time after time,that he can win games as he has broken every record...

Jason Campbell hasn't done Squat and gets this same treatment...

Some people say Brett is very arrogant and doesn't take blame on himself either...(I don't agree,but it's out there)

This may or may not be true...but at least Brett has won something in this League.

Jason Campbell pretends to have brett favre stardom and expects to be a Starter with his piss poor performances....He doesn't even acknowledge he's sucking!!

He's either too arrogant to see that or he's too stupid to realize that!

But I'm really tired of the "jason campbell" is the Victim here.

Fact is.....If he didn't suck as bad as he does,he wouldn't have to learn system after system after system...

He sucks and he's a coach killer and relies on his late 4th QTR passer rating from checking down,for coaches to see,that maybe they can do something with him.

You want to feel sorry for a Black QB who's got no respect for his entire career and has proven he can get it done time after time after time and gets the blame for everything?

Look no further than our very own Donovan Mcnabb!!!
A true leader and winner!!

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[quote=aceinthehouse;738170]Why do people say he is a class act?

Has anyone [B]EVER[/B] heard him say..[B].I[/B] need to play better or [B]I[/B] was having trouble with the blitzes or [B]I[/B] struggled and will bounce back next week or anything with I in it?

It's either We....or they...

The guy has [B]never[/B] shown me any kind of leadership to any degree! Leadership requires responsibility and accountability.

If he's not blaming his O-line,Wr's or even his unfortunate position of being a black man and how it's not fair,he's dumbfounded for being yanked in a half for throwing a pick and fumbling twice or vice versa like he did against Oakland.

Look,people get sick of Brett Favre for all the pampering he gets and the excuses made for him for throwing late game ending drive INT's that lose him games...But at least the dude has done something in this League and has proved time after time,that he can win games as he has broken every record...

Jason Campbell hasn't done Squat and gets this same treatment...

Some people say Brett is very arrogant and doesn't take blame on himself either...(I don't agree,but it's out there)

This may or may not be true...but at least Brett has won something in this League.

Jason Campbell pretends to have brett favre stardom and expects to be a Starter with his piss poor performances....He doesn't even acknowledge he's sucking!!

He's either too arrogant to see that or he's too stupid to realize that!

But I'm really tired of the "jason campbell" is the Victim here.

Fact is.....If he didn't suck as bad as he does,he wouldn't have to learn system after system after system...

He sucks and he's a coach killer and relies on his late 4th QTR passer rating from checking down,for coaches to see,that maybe they can do something with him.

You want to feel sorry for a Black QB who's got no respect for his entire career and has proven he can get it done time after time after time and gets the blame for everything?

Look no further than our very own Donovan Mcnabb!!!
A true leader and winner!![/quote]

This post is too stupid to even get a response.

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[quote=firstdown;738175]This post is too stupid to even get a response.[/quote]

Want to explain to me why,this is stupid?

Is what I said not true?

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[quote=firstdown;738153][B]I guess people just want to see him fail so we can sit back and rejoice[/B] that we let him go. He seems to be a class act and I'd like to see him succeed and who cares because we have moved on.[/quote]

Nailed it

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Ace has ruined my prized merged thread.

Classy
b : having or reflecting high standards of personal behavior <a classy guy> <a classy gesture>

Accountable
the state of being accountable, liable, or answerable.


Classy=/=accountable.

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I have a question...

Why is it important for us to see him succeed?

Is it because he's a former redskins? I sure haven't heard anything on Chase Daniel and people hoping he does well with the saints....Or Patrick Ramsey....or Brunell?

Do you guys wish them success?

How about David Akers...he's a former skin? Do you want him to succeed?

How about Antonio Pierce? Were you guys on his bandwagoon for his success with the giants?(before retiring)

How about Albert Haynesworth?
He's on the team and people are dogging him? How do you know he's not a nice guy?
Do you guys know him personally?

The point I'm trying to make is....

We don't care how nice he is?
He's not a Redskin

We were bitching for years to dump him and were bashed for this opinion.
And now that we've been proven right,we are glad that Shanahan made the decision he made.

5 years he was on this team and was given excuse after excuse,when many of us Skins fans KNEW he sucked...

Fortunately,our new coach saw this as well!
And we are enjoying every minute of it!!

Just like the eagles are praying for failure on McNabb...

Why should we want jason campbell,to be a great player?

I want to know,how great a decision my Head Coach made in dumping his sorry ass...

And I'm feeling pretty good about that right now!

I could care less how good he does somewhere else...
I want Mcnabb to play well and the rest of the team!
That's all I care about on who PLAYS well!

Don't give us a hard time if you stupid shits have JC on your fantasy team...

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I could really care less about the guy, once he was traded he officially fell off my radar. I wish him well, but the only QB I care about right now is #5. This whole "told you so" routine is so lame.

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Please, ace, just shut up. It's annoying.

You're questions are irrelevant, as I and a bunch of other posters have laid out our [B]negative[/B] opinions on him.

And rest of the post is just you showing off how your "I hate Jason Campbell" dick is bigger than all of the JC critics.

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Well...I don't hate Jason Campbell because I don't know the guy.
he may or may not be a nice guy...But I have no reason to hate him on a personal level.

But I was aggravated that it took the organization 5 years to realize what took the raiders a game & a 1/2 that JC is not a very good QB.

I know that's where my resentment was with Jason Campbell.
Not on a personal level,but as a former football player,Redskins fan and former coach.

I just felt a decision on replacing him,should have been done way sooner than it was.

So I apologize for not standing up and screaming "yes he can" like an Obama ball washer and hoping some kind of change from Campbell that won't happen!

cause I really don't care...either way

But I love Donovan Mcnabb and have faith that he can do well here.
I hope he does
I hope we sign his extension very soon

But if he doesn't....I want to keep him,till he retires if possible,no matter what.
He is the Leader this team has needed very badly,for a very long time!

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and portis...shut your trap!

I've been honest with my assessment and have given my point of view.

if you don't like it..too bad...don't respond.

I don't attack your opinions,so I expect the same from you.

[B]You are the annoying one![/B]

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[QUOTE]I don't expect you to understand and be able to analyze QB play, but it'd be nice if you wouldn't appeal to your own ability to do so, which is unquestionably lacking.[/QUOTE]

Hey GTripp remember when you said this ? Looks like I wasn't that far off on his skills or lack thereof. Go back and watch some more tape guy. However, I don't expect you to be able to analyze what he can or cannot do because deep down you must be right. I don't know if you actually feel right but,.... I really was. 2 NFL Head Coaches have agreed with me so far, then again I'm probably wrong.


Ahhhhhh....goes down like a ice cold beer.

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[quote=Mattyk;738192]I could really care less about the guy, once he was traded he officially fell off my radar. I wish him well, but the only QB I care about right now is #5. This whole "told you so" routine is so lame.[/quote]

I like JC as a person- by all accounts he's a very good guy- and for that reason I hope he's successful in his endeavors on and off the football field. He handled that whole trade circus with grace and class, and I respect him for that.

I think he's talented, but the guy has been surrounded by so many head coaches, coordinators, and systems since he left high school, it's kind of hard to imagine he could ever succeed with all that constant change.

I'd say at this point he's never going to be anything more than a lower-tier starter or a quality back-up.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;738146]I dont think i made a clear enough point. The QB's you named above all had earned their jobs through their play, and were clearly the best option for their respective teams. Jason never did that, he never had to do that. Nobody made him prove anything. They just gave him the starting job...

When I said Jason didnt have to earn his job, i meant that even in 2006 when he was unproven, he just was thrust into the lineup, and its like somebody told him "Jason, no matter what, no matter how poor you play, you will never have to worry about being benched".

Brunell: outplayed Campbell (playoffs)
Collins: outplayed Campbell (playoffs)

It took a new GM, and a new coach to realize that Cambell wasnt the teams best option. And as soon as a new QB was brought in, Jason sulked, wouldnt talk to the media, wouldn't workout, etc...

[B]Now hes doing the same thing in Oakland[/B]....[/quote]

The Raiders have told him to not talk to the media just a FYI

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/24/raiders-muzzle-jason-campbell/]Raiders muzzle Jason Campbell | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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Im referring to his sulky attitude....The raiders havent told him to Sulk. And also that he has been allegedly complaining about Bruce Almighty lobbying them over the past few weeks for playing time. That strikes me as being insecure and childish.

But i do agree with you, it is time to move on from the Campbell discussion.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;738170]Why do people say he is a class act?

Has anyone [B]EVER[/B] heard him say..[B].I[/B] need to play better or [B]I[/B] was having trouble with the blitzes or [B]I[/B] struggled and will bounce back next week or anything with I in it?

It's either We....or they...

The guy has [B]never[/B] shown me any kind of leadership to any degree! Leadership requires responsibility and accountability.

If he's not blaming his O-line,Wr's or even his unfortunate position of being a black man and how it's not fair,he's dumbfounded for being yanked in a half for throwing a pick and fumbling twice or vice versa like he did against Oakland.

Look,people get sick of Brett Favre for all the pampering he gets and the excuses made for him for throwing late game ending drive INT's that lose him games...But at least the dude has done something in this League and has proved time after time,that he can win games as he has broken every record...

Jason Campbell hasn't done Squat and gets this same treatment...

Some people say Brett is very arrogant and doesn't take blame on himself either...(I don't agree,but it's out there)

This may or may not be true...but at least Brett has won something in this League.

Jason Campbell pretends to have brett favre stardom and expects to be a Starter with his piss poor performances....He doesn't even acknowledge he's sucking!!

He's either too arrogant to see that or he's too stupid to realize that!

But I'm really tired of the "jason campbell" is the Victim here.

Fact is.....If he didn't suck as bad as he does,he wouldn't have to learn system after system after system...

He sucks and he's a coach killer and relies on his late 4th QTR passer rating from checking down,for coaches to see,that maybe they can do something with him.

You want to feel sorry for a Black QB who's got no respect for his entire career and has proven he can get it done time after time after time and gets the blame for everything?

Look no further than our very own Donovan Mcnabb!!!
A true leader and winner!![/quote]

great post

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[quote=aceinthehouse;738202]and portis...shut your trap!

I've been honest with my assessment and have given my point of view.

if you don't like it..too bad...don't respond.

I don't attack your opinions,so I expect the same from you.

[B]You are the annoying one![/B][/quote]

Threads can become sweet, sour, stupid in a good way, or stupid in a bad way. You're the master of making them stupid in a bad way.

And you barge into my [merged] thread with a brain-dead analysis in which you displayed an inability to distinguish between the concepts of accountability, which Campbell is lacking in, and class, in which he has some.