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I don't think he said he asked him to sit. He said they talked about DM possibly resting yesterday to heal up the next two weeks for the 2nd half of the season. A bit surprised that Shanahan would take the Lions game so lightly like that.

Personally, I think Kyle and Mike got pissed off, rightfully so, at McNabb's poor throw that led to the INT and made a snap decision. Even though Shanahan said that wasn't the case, that this was planned all along.

Let's see how McNabb snaps back from this. Helps that he's playing the Eagles I guess. He'll be pretty fired up, I'd imagine.

While we're talking McNabb. Watching that Armstrong 50 yard pass, the one that led to the Keiland Wiliams TD. Is it just me or does Armstrong have to stop and adjust for most of McNabb's deep throws? Not seeing many in stride

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;755030]I am too lazy to cut and paste all the tweets on MS' press conference, but he really sounds like he stepped in it. Said they haven't practiced 2 minute drill since the Rams game. REALLY?? Asked DM to sit out Detroit game to heal up. REALLY?? wow. those two are shocking statements to me.[/quote]I don't think that Shanny bargained for the intensity of our press. This press conference is his true "Welcome to Washington" moment. After yesterday's f'ed up decision to bench McNabb, I hope he's enjoying the proctoscope.

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[quote=SmootSmack;755046]I don't think he said he asked him to sit. He said they talked about DM possibly resting yesterday to heal up the next two weeks for the 2nd half of the season. A bit surprised that Shanahan would take the Lions game so lightly like that.

Personally, I think Kyle and Mike got pissed off, rightfully so, at McNabb's poor throw that led to the INT and made a snap decision. Even though Shanahan said that wasn't the case, that this was planned all along.

Let's see how McNabb snaps back from this. Helps that he's playing the Eagles I guess. He'll be pretty fired up, I'd imagine.

While we're talking McNabb. Watching that Armstrong 50 yard pass, the one that led to the Keiland Wiliams TD. Is it just me or does Armstrong have to stop and adjust for most of McNabb's deep throws?[B] Not seeing many in stride[/B][/quote]

I heard about that when he was in Philly. He does complete a lot of deep balls but he has a hard time hitting receivers in stride. It seems to be true because we see a lot of over/underthrown balls in the games. Most of his deep completions don't end up as touchdowns because Armstrong/Moss/whoever has to slow down and catch it and after they catch it they usually get tackled. I hate to ask more of them but I wish they'd be better at making a play once the ball is in their hands, because we can't count on touchdowns once they are inside the red zone. It is hard to make a play when the defender is bearing down on you, but they can spin, or just try to do something instead of just going down or going out of bounds.

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Lol. OMG. It gets worse
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5753040]Mike Shanahan says Donovan McNabb not in shape for 2-minute drill - ESPN[/url]

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Like seriously, what's up with this guy?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;755079]Lol. OMG. It gets worse
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5753040]Mike Shanahan says Donovan McNabb not in shape for 2-minute drill - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Yet somehow he had a 37 yard run, his longest run in who knows how many years yesterday. If you're healthy enough to play 58 minutes, you're healthy enough to play 2

He lost me when he started praising Joey Galloway.

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I cannot believe that latest news story!!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;755046]While we're talking McNabb. Watching that Armstrong 50 yard pass, the one that led to the Keiland Wiliams TD. [B]Is it just me or does Armstrong have to stop and adjust for most of McNabb's deep throws? Not seeing many in stride[/B][/quote]It ain't just you.

Don't think I agree with McNabb's benching in light of us still being in the mix for the playoffs and the OL being horrendous. I haven't had a chance to review the last few games to determine where the problem lies. That being said, wherever the problem lies, Grossman ain't the solution.

I also find it hard to believe that Kory L. is better than Dock at LG. KL would be better to replace Rabach. But I'm not getting paid 7 figures a year to fix this stuff and get wins.

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Furthermore, how did we go from flying high in the friendly sky McNabb is growing and will be around for 3 years to this cluster mess of we don't have faith in him at all.

I would say it's all because he threw into triple coverage, and essentially, gave the Lions a great chance to win the game, but then why did he get another crack at it right afterwards?

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Oh boy, this doesn't look good...

Russellmania09 Chris Russell
Talked to a longtime #NFL Analyst who has in past been very close to McNabb/@NFL: "He's not staying. He isn't a good fit at all" #Redskins

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I'm sorry, but I just have to blame the O-Line on this loss. McNabb couldn't get anything going because he had the whole Detroit defensive line in his face before he could turn around. Either that or Rabach was stepping on his foot! What a pathetic line. And what pathetic coaching AND play calling! And what horrible decisions on the inactive list! It sound like Portis is writing most of the responses to this. I can't imagine any sane person wanting to start Grossman over McNabb!

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[quote=Ruhskins;755112]Oh boy, this doesn't look good...

Russellmania09 Chris Russell
Talked to a longtime #NFL Analyst who has in past been very close to McNabb/@NFL: "He's not staying. He isn't a good fit at all" #Redskins[/quote]

We ****ing could have had Lamarr Houston instead of the one-year rental in McNabb. Who wouldn't have loved that 4-3 front? Rak, AH, Houston, Jarmon could have been one of the possibilities.

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[quote=44ever;754866]Well in that case we should have half the team (or more) sit the bench. Seems Shannys picking on the High profile players IMO. I think everyone should stand accountable no matter the position or the salary.

I don't see that happening across the board.[/quote]


This coach is going to soon learn that he too has to be held accountable for his actions and decisions, as well as how his team performs. He's finding out now that there wont be any refuge from the media here which is much different from anything he experienced in Denver. The locals will most definitely stay on his case until he get's it right or be gone.

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This is one of those situations that is so ridiculous, something must be happening that we just don't know about.

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Funny how Mr Accountablilty can't be held accountable for his own stupid mistake. McNabb is your best QB, so he naturally would be your 2 minute drill guy also. Guy can dish it out, but can't take it himself. Shanny should have just told the truth, that it was a knee jerk reaction, etc and admit the mistake.

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The fact that Rex fumbled and had it taken to the house validates McNabb and makes Shanahan look like the dummy he is. If I were McNabb and he pulls that shit again I will be very upset and I certainly wouldn't sign with the Skins after the season is done.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;755120]We ****ing could have had Lamarr Houston instead of the one-year rental in McNabb. Who wouldn't have loved that 4-3 front? Rak, AH, Houston, Jarmon could have been one of the possibilities.[/quote]

Yeah the picks could have given us more depth at least. I am hoping this "controversy" isn't much of a real problem. It was sort of dumb with hindsight being 20/20 to bring him in here with so much building work to do around him.

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[quote=saden1;755128]The fact that Rex fumbled and had it taken to the house validates McNabb and makes Shanahan look like the dummy he is. If I were McNabb and he pulls that shit again I will be very upset and I certainly wouldn't sign with the Skins after the season is done.[/quote]

Shanny better patch things up real soon, or Donovan is bye bye. Grossman isn't a starting QB.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;755130]Yeah the picks could have given us more depth at least. I am hoping this "controversy" isn't much of a real problem. It was sort of dumb with hindsight being 20/20 to bring him in here with so much building work to do around him.[/quote]

Well, in Houston's case we would have had an excellent D-line for the damn future, but once again, Shanahan misses out on a way to improve the defense.

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I'd seriously like to ask Shanahan WTF?! Stop making this situation worse! You ask the players to be men and hold themselves accountable when they make a bad decision so you should be doing the same right now and just admit you screwed the pooch with this decision and are now making it worse by further disrepecting the guy you gave up 2 high draft picks for him to come in to lead your new team. Donovan must thinking this is deja vu all over again.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;755138]I'd seriously like to ask Shanahan WTF?! Stop making this situation worse! You ask the players to be men and hold themselves accountable when they make a bad decision so you should be doing the same right now and just admit you screwed the pooch with this decision and are now making it worse by further disrepecting the guy you gave up 2 high draft picks for him to come in to lead your new team. Donovan must thinking this is deja vu all over again.[/quote]Hell, when is he going to hold his son accountable. He willingly throws McNabb under the bus, but makes no mention of the porous protection schemes? I hate to say that I had more confidence in the Bingo caller late last year than Boy Wonder.

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[quote=Longtimefan;755124]This coach is going to soon learn that he too has to be held accountable for his actions and decisions, as well as how his team performs. He's finding out now that there wont be any refuge from the media here which is much different from anything he experienced in Denver. The locals will most definitely stay on his case until he get's it right or be gone.[/quote]


I agree. For them to bench Donovan McNabb and Haynesworth at their whim, yet march out Casey Rabach every week is sickening.

This McNabb s--tstorm was 100% fabricated by Shanahan.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/01/mike-shanahan-not-happy-with-how-donovan-mcnabb-practices/]Mike Shanahan not happy with how Donovan McNabb practices | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;755195][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/01/mike-shanahan-not-happy-with-how-donovan-mcnabb-practices/"]Mike Shanahan not happy with how Donovan McNabb practices | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL][/quote]

Can Shanahan really be this dumb? We really pissed away a second rounder for this b.s.?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;755197]Can Shanahan really be this dumb? We really pissed away a second rounder for this b.s.?[/quote]

IDK my man but it sounds like 5 won't be here next season. I was actually hoping otherwise, who knows maybe this changes this team around and we catch fire.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;755195][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/01/mike-shanahan-not-happy-with-how-donovan-mcnabb-practices/]Mike Shanahan not happy with how Donovan McNabb practices | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

We weren't good at keeping secrets about the 3-4, so even though it's PFT, I have to at least consider it plausible that Shanahan may not be satisfied with McNabb.

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Shanahan better watch out, a lot of the players were in love with McNabb and his leadership.

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My moneys on John Beck being next years starter. He might be older then Grossman but he has more potential. Pus he doesn't fumble every 20 plays. The question is weather Beck becomes the next Schuab or Griese.

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Hearing these things come from the mouths of not only the redskins, but now our own fans makes me wonder if most of the things that eagles' critics of McNabb said are true.

Mainly the super bowl vomiting, which I sort of remember, and the other things like his poor stamina, and poor conditioning. I agree with someone else on here who said it looks like McNabb is sucking wind alot.

I'm not bashing McNabb, but hearing our own coach say these things kind of puts it in light what the McNabb critics from philadelphia said years ago.

I never thought Andy Reid was a dumb man, he knew exactly what he was getting rid of when he traded McNabb, and it now looks like we got the same thing that Reid saw...

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If McNabb practices like shit and is out of shape then keep it behind closed doors. Even though I think McNabb should be benched there is no reason to let this crap get out to the media. This isn't the first time McNabb has been called out for being out of shape. Remeber TO saying the same thing after McNabb puked during the game against NE?? lol.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;755198]IDK my man but it sounds like 5 won't be here next season. I was actually hoping otherwise, who knows maybe this changes this team around and we catch fire.[/quote]

Doesn't matter who we bring in man, we have no line, or a good WR corp!!!!! We could bring Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers in here and either one of them would be ineffective. Shanny is being exposed for being an egomaniac or at the very least too akin to knee jerk decisions. I am really starting to believe we were yet again sold a bill of goods. Yet another "savior" HC pick that will turn us around. Thing is our linemen are not used to or built for his blocking schemes. He needs to figure out how to tinker with this or he is going to bolt like Spurrier. Shit, I would take Spurrier over Shanny anyday. He might have ruined Ramsey trying the Fun N Gun, but he didn't blame anyone or throw folks under the bus, when it didn't work out. I still root for Spurrier. The man has class, like Coach Gibbs.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;755195][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/01/mike-shanahan-not-happy-with-how-donovan-mcnabb-practices/"]Mike Shanahan not happy with how Donovan McNabb practices | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL][/quote]I'm convinced that both Shanahans are passive/agressive. If you have a problem with the way Donovan is practicing, then talk to him [B]like a MAN[/B] about it. This is developing into a PR nightmare for the entire FO if the Shanahans don't work out their differences with McNabb and he ends up becoming the latest Redskins "rental" for picks.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;755204]
I never thought Andy Reid was a dumb man, he knew exactly what he was getting rid of when he traded McNabb, and it now looks like we got the same thing that Reid saw...[/quote]

I have a new level of respect for Reid. I mean for God's sake the guy turned Vick into a pro bowl PASSER. On top of that he's got Kevin Kolb playing great as well. If Kolb is drafted by any of the other 31 teams in the league he's out of the league. With Reid he's a top 15 QB. Not to mention Jeff Garcia and AJ Feely have also had impressive runs under center for the Eagles in recent years. I'm not afraid to say it. Reid is by far the best QB coach in the league.

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I think Honestly that Andy Reid watched Donovan's mistakes time and time again and saw how the little things added up that cost them the big games, and i think he just wanted a fresh start.

At this point, unless McNabb turns into a Pro Bowler overnight, then Philadelphia was justified in trading him, we "rented" another former star for one year, and we still have no clear cut direction going forward.

I think maybe a QB change could spark this team, in light of Shanahan's problem with McNabb. I knew that DM had his issues, but i am kind of shocked that they would say that he is in poor shape and has bad practices. It's obviously true, but i still can't believe they would just come out and say it.

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Shoot if Haslett could stay on and really get the D going, I would take another shot at Norv once the axe falls in San Diego, if Shanny bolts next season. Give Jim the HC job Norv back at OC or Give Norv the HC/OC and keep Jim as DC. I know I am really going off on a tangent, but these excuses coming out every few hours is moronic. Is this guy for real? He is losing credibility by the hour!!!!!

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Just shoot me now, not sure I can take 2 weeks of this talk

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[quote=GusFrerotte;755212]Shoot if Haslett could stay on and really get the D going, I would take another shot at Norv once the axe falls in San Diego, if Shanny bolts next season. Give Jim the HC job Norv back at OC or Give Norv the HC/OC and keep Jim as DC. I know I am really going off on a tangent, but these excuses coming out every few hours is moronic. Is this guy for real? He is losing credibility by the hour!!!!![/quote]

I'm all for blowing things up again here if the season totally tanks, but isn't Norv like 70 years old???

Nothing against elderly people (this time lol, reference to a thread long ago), but we need a somewhat young coach who could be here for more than 3 or 4 years.

But thinking of old coaches, is there any chance at all we can get Joe Gibbs to come back if Shanahan quits or is fired??:food-smil

That last part is meant to be a joke. I remember when i was still at Extreme Skins and they actually had a long thread about how they could try and get Joe Gibbs to come back after Zorn's first 8-8 season....lol

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[quote=SolidSnake84;755211]I think Honestly that Andy Reid watched Donovan's mistakes time and time again and saw how the little things added up that cost them the big games, and i think he just wanted a fresh start.

At this point, unless McNabb turns into a Pro Bowler overnight, then Philadelphia was justified in trading him, we "rented" another former star for one year, and we still have no clear cut direction going forward.

I think maybe a QB change could spark this team, in light of Shanahan's problem with McNabb. I knew that DM had his issues, but i am kind of shocked that they would say that he is in poor shape and has bad practices. It's obviously true, but i still can't believe they would just come out and say it.[/quote]

I can see that, but still, why all the different excuses coming out of Redskin Park by the hour? And if these things are all true, why didn't Shanny start Rex in previous games? There is a credibilty gap there. All of a sudden DM isn't starter material with little over two minutes to go?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;755214]I'm all for blowing things up again here if the season totally tanks, but isn't Norv like 70 years old???

Nothing against elderly people (this time lol, reference to a thread long ago), but we need a somewhat young coach who could be here for more than 3 or 4 years.

But thinking of old coaches, is there any chance at all we can get Joe Gibbs to come back if Shanahan quits or is fired??:food-smil

That last part is meant to be a joke. I remember when i was still at Extreme Skins and they actually had a long thread about how they could try and get Joe Gibbs to come back after Zorn's first 8-8 season....lol[/quote]

Norv isn't even 60 yet, where do u get this stuff?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;755215]I can see that, but still, why all the different excuses coming out of Redskin Park by the hour? And if these things are all true, why didn't Shanny start Rex in previous games? There is a credibilty gap there. All of a sudden DM isn't starter material with little over two minutes to go?[/quote]

Well, to answer your last question, Shanahan said that he considered benching McNabb after the win against the Eagles. He has not liked the way McNabb has played, and i guess he just wanted to see if a few more games would change things. McNabb has regressed and Shanahan knows he has to try something different now or the season could be lost.