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[quote=WilbursHomie;769997]They keep saying on the news how Shanahan wasn't happy with how McNabb had picked up his offense which is obviously true and I'm sure he could have done better but it just seems to me that Shanahan seems a little to set in his ways as far as scheme's go. I mean if it takes nothing short of a 9 time pro bowler, all decade QB, maybe the greatest passer of all time to fully grasp your system, maybe you need to dumb it down a little so that your every day, run of the mill 6 time pro bowler can figure it out and perform. And I don't care which defense we run, a 4-3, a 3-4, each can be just as effective but why would you choose the one that then needs an entire personnel change. Plenty of teams win super bowls in a 4-3. [B][U]Just kind of seems like common sense[/U][/B]. It would be a lot easier to rebuild an offense with an already strong defense and vice versus. Just a thought.[/quote]

it does doesn't it

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[quote=Shadowbyte;770003]Are you serious? McNabb is [B]2nd[/B] in the NFC in passing yards. How you can say that he's played like sh*t? The entire team has played like sh*t, there's nothing a QB can do when there's a severe lacking in playmakers.

I can't imagine someone telling a RB, you're having a terrible year, despite him being second in the NFC rushing. Telling a LB he sucks, despite him being second in the NFC in tackles, or telling a passrusher he sucks despite him being # 2 in the NFC in sacks. This is a team game, Shannahan is looking for a scapegoat, looks like that mission is accomplished.[/quote]

Very misleading statistic.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;770003]Are you serious? McNabb is [B]2nd[/B] in the NFC in passing yards. How you can say that he's played like sh*t? The entire team has played like sh*t, there's nothing a QB can do when there's a severe lacking in playmakers.

I can't imagine someone telling a RB, you're having a terrible year, despite him being second in the NFC rushing. Telling a LB he sucks, despite him being second in the NFC in tackles, or telling a passrusher he sucks despite him being # 2 in the NFC in sacks. This is a team game, Shannahan is looking for a scapegoat, looks like that mission is accomplished.[/quote]

In your analysis did you want to include the:
58% Completion Percentage
14 TD
15 INT
77% QB rating
???

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Grossman's reaction to having the opportunity to start on Sunday.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/redskinsvideo]CSNwashington.com: Washington Redskins Video[/url]

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[quote=Gmanc711;769964]I'd rather trade up somehow for Luck, or take Newton... I do NOT want Locker, I know that much.[/quote]

Newton is basically Tim Tebow 2.0, albeit Tebow with better throwing mechanics, and no one in position to draft Luck will be stupid enough to let another team trade up to select him. Luck is easily the best QB prospect to come along in the past decade. Weather or not he becomes the best QB in the next decade remains to be seen but as a prospect very few players even come close.

I do understand your reservations about Locker though. I myself have mixed emotions and feel that Mallet would probably be the safer pick. If anything Mallet reminds me a lot of Schuab. Locker on the other hand doesn't really have a comparable NFL counterpart seeing as how I can't think of anyone with a strong arm and amazing straight line speed while lacking in agility.


[quote=Hog1;770008]In your analysis did you want to include the:
58% Completion Percentage
14 TD
15 INT
77% QB rating
???[/quote]

To be fair two of those INT's came on end of first half Hail Mary passes.

[quote=saden1;770005]Fck all the other QBs...I want Kellen Moore! I would seriously draft him #1 overall! And if we are talking future QB selection then I'd like to have Aaron Murray for Georgia.[/quote]

Kellen Moore will be lucky to be a fifth round pick in 2012. It's best to think of him like you would Ken Dorsey, Jason White, Colt Brenan, or Chris Weinke. He's a great college QB but any team that relied on him to be their franchise QB would likely find themselves drafting early and often.

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Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, San Francisco, and Seattle are the teams that don't have a quarterback or future quarterback on their roster right now.

Washington, Miami, Tennessee, Cincinnati, and maybe Buffalo are the teams that have a starting caliber QB, but want a new one for whatever reason.

Then the "available" veterans next year will include Kyle Orton, Vince Young, Donovan McNabb, Chad Henne, Carson Palmer, and maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick, with Kevin Kolb likely being unavailable in Philadelphia.

I would rank the six QBs as follows:

1. Young
2. Henne
3. McNabb
4. Palmer
5. Orton
6. Fitzpatrick

But I think all six are capable NFL starters. Would you be interested in any of them as a short term solution?

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anyone catch the local nbc news tonight, i love jim vance, that dude is the best. lindsay said you have to start from the bottom up, and vance responded or the top down and lindsay looked scared for her life(she was at redksin park). gotta love it

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[quote][B]"I’m told locker room is divided and guys are extremely upset," Johnson wrote. [/B][/quote]


Oh yeah? Well tough effing sh*t. The locker room doesn't run the show anymore.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770010]I do understand your reservations about Locker though. I myself have mixed emotions and feel that Mallet would probably be the safer pick. If anything Mallet reminds me a lot of Schuab. Locker on the other hand doesn't really have a comparable NFL counterpart seeing as how I can't think of anyone with a strong arm and amazing straight line speed while lacking in agility..[/quote]I don't think the Mallett/Locker thing is about safe/unsafe. I think you know exactly what you are getting in Jake Locker based on what he did in college. For a team whose ultimate aspiration is to some day be .500, well, Locker just proved he can do that. Disaster games and all.

You know what, check this out:

[url=http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jay-cutler-1.html]Jay Cutler Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jake-locker-1.html]Jake Locker Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com[/url]

Those are probably the two most similar draft prospects in history. One does appear to be clearly better than the other, but those were very similar supporting casts in very similar environments.

And, you know, Mike Shanahan and such.

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[quote=GMScud;769707]Between the week 8 benching in Detroit, the piss poor clock management, the Haynesworth ordeal, and now this, I'd say they already look like idiots. And according to Kelli Johnson, [B]MS has lost the locker room.

Sweet. Our latest "savior" only took 13 weeks to lose the team.
[/B]I'm beside myself right now. This is just the cherry on top of a blunder-filled season.[/quote]

Oh well -- the locker room can lose MS all they want. If that's the case, then they'll be gone lickety-split.

If you ask me, it's about damn time this locker room was told who's boss.

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[quote=12thMan;770007]Very misleading statistic.[/quote]

He hit a lot of big plays, gotta at least give him credit for that, but he's been too much of an all or nothing QB. Lack of consistency did him in.

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[quote=Beemnseven;770015]Oh well -- the locker room can lose MS all they want. If that's the case, then they'll be gone lickety-split.

If you ask me, it's about damn time this locker room was told who's boss.[/quote]

yeah thats the spirit tell the entire team they all ****ing suck! mike and kyle are all we need!!!!! :/

it's not about the players running the team it's about a coexistance, you have to have a good coach player relationship to win. if a player doesn't trust the coach why the hell would he play as hard as he can for him. the coaches have to gain the trust of the locker room and have the players rally behind them.

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[quote=Mattyk;770017]He hit a lot of big plays, gotta at least give him credit for that, but he's been too much of an all or nothing QB. Lack of consistency did him in.[/quote]The "consistent" element/engine of the passing offense has exclusively belonged to Santana Moss this year. Not surprising, the offense has gone as Moss has. When he's catching the ball, it's productive. When he goes away, there's no plan B. It's an all or nothing down the field throw to Armstrong or a TE.

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[quote=GTripp0012;770011]Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, San Francisco, and Seattle are the teams that don't have a quarterback or future quarterback on their roster right now.

Washington, Miami, Tennessee, Cincinnati, and maybe Buffalo are the teams that have a starting caliber QB, but want a new one for whatever reason.

Then the "available" veterans next year will include Kyle Orton, Vince Young, Donovan McNabb, Chad Henne, Carson Palmer, and maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick, with Kevin Kolb likely being unavailable in Philadelphia.

I would rank the six QBs as follows:

1. Young
2. Henne
3. McNabb
4. Palmer
5. Orton
6. Fitzpatrick

But I think all six are capable NFL starters. Would you be interested in any of them as a short term solution?[/quote]

Henne and Palmer are NOT ahead of Orton imo, maybe not even Fitzpatrick

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[quote=mlmdub130;770018]yeah thats the spirit tell the entire team they all ****ing suck! mike and kyle are all we need!!!!! :/

it's not about the players running the team it's about a coexistance, you have to have a good coach player relationship to win. if a player doesn't trust the coach why the hell would he play as hard as he can for him. the coaches have to gain the trust of the locker room and have the players rally behind them.[/quote]


Shanahan is benching someone who hasn't performed well.

[I]Oh! The horror![/I]

And now the crybabies who have run the asylum for years are whining about it? As someone correctly pointed out earlier in the thread, half the locker room needs to be shitcanned anyway. Shanahan can build up all the "trust" he wants, but if the guys can't play -- which this season and last season have clearly shown -- then what good is it?

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[quote=celts32;769729]Well as for the "losing" the locker room...I don't really care because I would like to "lose" about half of that locker room. I am still behind Shanny and him and Allen will be here longer then most of the players currently on the team.[/quote]

Amen brother. Preach on.

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[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/ChadHenne/careerstats?id=HEN507580"]Chad Henne: Career Stats at NFL.com[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/CarsonPalmer/careerstats?id=PAL249055"]Carson Palmer: Career Stats at NFL.com[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/KyleOrton/careerstats?id=ORT716150"]Kyle Orton: Career Stats at NFL.com[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/VinceYoung/careerstats?id=YOU617196"]Vince Young: Career Stats at NFL.com[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/RyanFitzpatrick/careerstats?id=FIT792915"]Ryan Fitzpatrick: Career Stats at NFL.com[/URL]

Henne has more INTs than TDs in his 2 seasons as a starter, NOT GOOD.

Orton has been pretty good for 3 straight seasons now.

Palmer is done

VY is a Drama Queen and can't handle the heat.

Fitz is having a Miracle season IMO

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A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;770025]
Henne has more INTs than TDs in his 2 seasons as a starter, NOT GOOD.

Orton has been pretty good for 3 straight seasons now.

Palmer is done

VY is a Drama Queen and can't handle the heat.

Fitz is having a Miracle season IMO[/quote]

Bronco's would be stupid to let Orton go. I agree on Palmer, just goes to show you that the QB is exponentially more important than the receivers. If you thought the McNabb benching was bad wait till Shanny benches Young. Fitzpatrick plays in a system that tends to inflate a QB's numbers. Just ask Tyler Thigpen when he played for Gailey in KC.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770029]Bronco's would be stupid to let Orton go. I agree on Palmer, just goes to show you that the QB is exponentially more important than the receivers. If you thought the McNabb benching was bad wait till Shanny benches Young. Fitzpatrick plays in a system that tends to inflate a QB's numbers. Just ask Tyler Thigpen when he played for Gailey in KC.[/quote]


I would Love to get Orton, IDK why other folks on here haven't said the same thing, hes tall has a good arm and is accurate.. Please NO Vince Young in WSH!!! As for Denver, they do have Tebow and Quinn.. Don't be shocked if Orton walks this offseason. I think his overall record as a starter is something like 29-19 or something like that, I remember seeing that stat watching a Denver game this season.

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[quote=Mattyk;770026]A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.[/quote]


Matty , do you really believe that?Look I dislike the guy but he had no run game his recivers were dropping balls left and right and the O line was non exsistant, add in injuries from getting nailed in the pocket 20 times a game and I would admit not a great season but I can't see saying he played his way out of the job.

Mike Wilbon on PTI was going off about this ...he thinks "Kyle needs to go ...maybe even both of them".

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[quote=skinsfaninok;770030]I would Love to get Orton, IDK why other folks on here haven't said the same thing, hes tall has a good arm and is accurate.. Please NO Vince Young in WSH!!! As for Denver, they do have Tebow and Quinn.. Don't be shocked if Orton walks this offseason. I think his overall record as a starter is something like 29-19 or something like that, I remember seeing that stat watching a Denver game this season.[/quote]

I'd be interested in seeing what Orton gets as a Free Agent.

On another note we better pray that Andrew Luck ends up in the AFC. It's already a pain knowing we're going to have to deal with the likes of Ryan and Bradford for the next 10 to 15 years. I'd hate to throw Luck into that mix as well. I mean who is going to pass up an accurate strong arm QB with an ideal build that works hard and plays well in high pressure situations.


[quote=Giantone;770031]Matty , do you really believe that?Look I dislike the guy but he had no run game his recivers were dropping balls left and right and the O line was non exsistant, add in injuries from getting nailed in the pocket 20 times a game and I would admit not a great season but I can't see saying he played his way out of the job.

Mike Wilbon on PTI was going off about this ...he thinks "Kyle needs to go ...maybe even both of them".[/quote]

I disagree about the run game. When Torrain has been healthy the running game has been great. Take Torrains ypg over 16 games you have a guy that rushes for 1,286 yards. The problem has been that Torrain has been hurt way to much and the team lacks depth at RB. Another year or two of looking for diamonds in the rough and the Skins could easily find their own version of Ward-Bradshaw-Jacobs.

The problem with the running game has more to do with the fact that the Skins can't convert 3rd downs through the air to save their life which leads to many drives being cut short and many rushing attempts vanishing into thin air.

Portis, Williams, and Torrain all have averaged at least 4 yards per carry. If the team had been better able to sustain drives through third down conversions the yardage numbers would be higher.

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[quote=Mattyk;770026]

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.[/quote]


....not after this move.

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[quote=Giantone;770031]Matty , do you really believe that?Look I dislike the guy but he had no run game his recivers were dropping balls left and right and the O line was non exsistant, add in injuries from getting nailed in the pocket 20 times a game and I would admit not a great season but I can't see saying he played his way out of the job.

Mike Wilbon on PTI was going off about this ...he thinks "Kyle needs to go ...maybe even both of them".[/quote]

He hasn't played well and has been very inconsistent. Not all his fault but still, a lot of it is. He's been horrible on 3rd downs and has thrown too many head scratching INTs.

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@giantone: wilbon is just saying this because Mcnabb is from Chicago and that's his boy. I've always been a Mcnabb fan but in all fairness he hasn't played that good this season, in fact JC had better numbers last year than 5 does this yr. Either way you look at it, MS thought Mcnabb would be a great fit for 2-3 years and it's not going to happen. Might as well get it over with now, keep him healthy and trade him to Arz for steve breaston, that's what I would do.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;770038]@giantone: wilbon is just saying this because Mcnabb is from Chicago and that's his boy. I've always been a Mcnabb fan but in all fairness he hasn't played that good this season, in fact JC had better numbers last year than 5 does this yr. Either way you look at it, MS thought Mcnabb would be a great fit for 2-3 years and it's not going to happen. Might as well get it over with now, keep him healthy and trade him to Arz for steve breaston, that's what I would do.[/quote]

JC's numbers were inflated thanks his Captain Checkdown status. His inability to convert in the red zone has been a killer not all to different from McNabb's inability to convert countless short field opportunities provided by the defense and kick return units.

If I remember correctly we now have 10 of 11 games were the offense has been able to score more then 20 points, though Gano is kind of at fault for the inability to meet the 20 point threshold against Tampa.

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Shanahan can do whatever he wants...he is the coach.
We are wrapping up yet another frustrating season with very little positive to show on the on the field at the moment. Everyone has to share in the blame, the players, [B][U]coaching staff,[/U][/B] front office and owner.
It seems like the players are the easiest obvious target and Shanahan is leading them to slaughter with very little support or back up. What a terrible leader of men Shanahan is proving to be in 2010.
It is a real shame and lacking in class and team unity to have a respected and classy player like Mcnabb be treated like this. All of the leaks in the press! Shanhan's locker room has more leaks to the press than any I have seen. We found out about McNabb being benched last week in the press. Shanahan, your are proving to be a major pussy and spineless bitch.
Even if most of these players are not yours, you should as the HEAD COACH of the Washington Redskins and as a man stand next to your less than talented players in these difficult times. For it is in the most difficult times that men show what they are made of.....You Shanahan are proving to be a selfish, spineless weasel.
Message from Shanhan to his team, "Most of you will be gone next year and i will be here."

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770039]JC's numbers were inflated thanks his Captain Checkdown status. His inability to convert in the red zone has been a killer not all to different from McNabb's inability to convert countless short field opportunities provided by the defense and kick return units.

If I remember correctly we now have 10 of 11 games were the offense has been able to score more then 20 points, though Gano is kind of at fault for the inability to meet the 20 point threshold against Tampa.[/quote]How does checking down inflate numbers? Completion percentage, perhaps, but if it's actually inflating TDs and yards while lowering INTs, that's called "offense."

Completion percentage without yards or TDs is meaningless, for sure, but if the defense is actually sitting on check downs, it's hella hard to complete those short passes.

I'd actually argue that McNabb has layed out more backs and receivers on ill-advised dumpoffs this year than Campbell ever did. That's the issue with checking down (when it gets your receivers killed), not when you get 7 yards on 2nd and 12.

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[quote=Mattyk;770026]A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.[/quote]

I have to agree with this. DM did not to him self any favors he missed Cooley on that easy TD. Throwing in the dirt and their seems to be no since of urgency.

Even though I have not agreed with Shanny on his handling of some things he made a lot of since in his press confrence today. I rather us be focusing forward and getting the evaluations started now.

On Shanny losing the looker room that will blow over as long as he really is be honest to them behind close doors. They will always respect him.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770032]On another note we better pray that Andrew Luck ends up in the AFC. It's already a pain knowing we're going to have to deal with the likes of Ryan and Bradford for the next 10 to 15 years. I'd hate to throw Luck into that mix as well. I mean who is going to pass up an accurate strong arm QB with an ideal build that works hard and plays well in high pressure situations.[/quote]Well, the AFC drafted Manning, Brady, Rivers, and Brees, all the quarterbacks who dominated this decade, and we still couldn't win. Maybe we should not worry about where Andrew Luck ends up and try to actually get better as a team.

There was once a time where Matt Hasselbeck was the premier QB in the NFC, and the next best was...either Jake Delhomme or Mark Brunell. For serious.

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W T F .. that's all I can say ... W T ****ing F .. W T ****ing F .... why why why why why why why why

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[quote=GTripp0012;770041]How does checking down inflate numbers? Completion percentage, perhaps, but if it's actually inflating TDs and yards while lowering INTs, that's called "offense."

Completion percentage without yards or TDs is meaningless, for sure, but if the defense is actually sitting on check downs, it's hella hard to complete those short passes.

I'd actually argue that McNabb has layed out more backs and receivers on ill-advised dumpoffs this year than Campbell ever did. That's the issue with checking down (when it gets your receivers killed), not when you get 7 yards on 2nd and 12.[/quote]

I'd like to call on a witness that can better explain how completion percentage inflates a QB's passer rating.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342748-things-i-learned-from-passer-rating-and-completion-percentage]NFL Passer Ratings and Completion Percentages: What Do They Really Mean? | Bleacher Report[/url] (Yes I know it's bleacher report).

[quote][B]Fatal Flaw- Completion Percentage[/B]

In addition to being now coined a QUARTERBACK rating without evaluating all the ways a quarterback can affect the game even from a tangible standpoint, let alone intangible, the biggest flaw perhaps of the passer rating system is how heavily it is attached to Completion Percentage.

Which is kind of amusing when someone points to a quarterback who doesn't have a great passer rating and cites completion percentage as corroborative evidence of the lack of effectiveness of that particular QB, when those two statistics could not be any more correlated.

There is a reason why a guy like Chad Pennington who ranks so high on the all-time list of completion percentage is also high on the list of passer rating. It's many of the same names at the top of both lists. Same for a Daunte Culpepper. Completion percentage is a misleading statistic that does not take into account routine spectacular catches/routine drops, dump off passes/throw aways, or first down scrambles. It also can be heavily skewed when the total number of pass attempts per game is not high. One to two incomplete passes a game could make all the difference between what's considered respectable and poor.[/quote]

[quote][B]Completion Percentage In Passer Rating Formula[/B]

Completion percentage plays perhaps the biggest factor in the entire passer rating formula to the point where someone who has a not so great touchdown to interception ratio can rank near the all-time greats while someone such as McNabb who has the second best TD/INT ratio of all-time is not even in the top 15 in that category that only uses those four statistics. This is again why on the all-time passer rating list has those names that clearly don't belong above current/future HOFers.
[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770046]I'd like to call on a witness that can better explain how completion percentage inflates a QB's passer rating.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342748-things-i-learned-from-passer-rating-and-completion-percentage]NFL Passer Ratings and Completion Percentages: What Do They Really Mean? | Bleacher Report[/url] (Yes I know it's bleacher report).[/quote]Does anyone still give a crap about passer rating? It's a monstrosity of a stat, and that comes from me.

I don't think passer rating = all numbers. If all numbers are trending upward, then the offense is improving, nothing is being inflated.

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Donovan McNabb has the worst TD% of his career and the worst INT% of his career. His completion percentage is where it's always been. The reason his QB rating is down has nothing to do with his completion percentage.

If you use completion percentage, you know exactly what you are seeing. Percentage of completions over total attempts. That's easy. If you use passer rating, you have a gross performance estimate, but you have no idea what you are actually judging a QB on.

In short, completion percentage = good, while passer rating = largely useless.

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Remember when the Redskins were a good football team? Ahhhhhh, those were the days. The eighties were great!

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/17/donovan-mcnabb-very-disappointed-i-strongly-disagree/]Donovan McNabb “very disappointed,” “I strongly disagree” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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The correlation between QB rating and completion percentage is well documented. The reasoning is that QBs that complete a high percentage of their passes also throw for more yards per attempt, more TDs, and (usually, though not always) fewer INTs. That's why QB rating has managed to hold mainstream for so long: because it doesn't give 100+ ratings to people who sucked. It gave 100+ ratings to guys who have dominated the defense through completions through yards and TDs.

Also, even one INT probably puts the single game QB rating under 90. Interception percentage is the least correlated with completion percentage. Which is probably the one benefit of using QB rating instead of completion percentage: completion percentage probably overrates the guys who often don't read a defense (Favre, Cutler) before going all gunslinger on us.

But completion percentage doesn't overrate those who check down without reading the defense. Those players likely don't throw for yards or points either.

I did a PFR query, and found one season in NFL history where a quarterback performed well below average, for an entire season, but his completion percentage suggested greatness. It was David Carr's one season under Gary Kubiak, [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CarrDa00.htm"]in 2006[/URL]. Carr was released in the offseason, and his 82.1 QB rating wasn't even the best of his career. This may be the only season in NFL history that qualifies a QB who clearly completed too many meaningless passes (Houston [URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff2006"]finished 24th in passing DVOA[/URL] that season).

/rant

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[quote=skinsfaninok;770051][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/17/donovan-mcnabb-very-disappointed-i-strongly-disagree/]Donovan McNabb “very disappointed,” “I strongly disagree” | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

DM is a class guy so I definitely feel bad for him.

But in the end this marriage just isn't going to work, and as MS said anything DM would do over these last 3 games wouldn't change how he feels about how he did over the first 13 so...

Might as well see if Grossman can at least be a viable 6-8 game starter next year until a rookie is ready.

I would think more people would be happy with this, since it basically forces Shanahan to "rebuild".

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[quote=Mattyk;770058]DM is a class guy so I definitely feel bad for him.

But in the end this marriage just isn't going to work, and as MS said anything DM would do over these last 3 games wouldn't change how he feels about how he did over the first 13 so...

Might as well see if Grossman can at least be a viable 6-8 game starter next year until a rookie is ready.

I would think more people would be happy with this, since it basically forces Shanahan to "rebuild".[/quote]

I just dont know if Shanny really wants to "Rebuild" It will be another interesting off season in DC

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My take on Mike Shanahan is pretty clear... He is 100% ANTI "Superstar"... anti-"Special Treatment"

... meaning, he doesn't even entertain the idea of someone getting superstar treatment or being "grandfathered" in to leeway. Either you practice 100%, perform well, or you are sat down.

He's not going to budge at all to meet common ground or give in at all to a player.

That I can respect a little... but at the same time...

He has made some of the craziest bone-headed moves I could have imagined.

Mistake 1: 3-4 defense. If he evaluated the Skins at all last year he'd have known that we had the pieces for a 4-3... with some of our absolute best players thriving in it. And not just Haynesworth, but he, Carter, and Rak all used properly in the 4-3 may have helped us win at least 1 or 2 more games this year IMO.

Mistake 2: Benching McNabb vs Lions wasn't the mistake... it's how he handled it after that was... whoa dumb.

Mistake 3: Not going after Houshmenzadeh or R. Moss when they were available and dirt cheap. We could have had them BOTH... these guys could've help evaluate McNabb (taking away the whole "he had no weapons" excuse... imagine Santana & Randy Moss on the outside, Housh in the slot, with Cooley & F. Davis as your TEs)

Mistake 4: Benching McNabb right now. Everyone knows Grossman & Beck are not future Super Bowl winning QBs and now all we've done is ruin trade value we had for McNabb. If he's not your guy... fine... but whew... dumb.