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As poorly as McNabb has played this year...I believe it is foolish to ditch him when our critical need is oline + multiple defensive positions.

Shanny would have done much better to say he is resting McNabb for the rest of the season...even if his intent was not to start him next year..his other starter could "outplay" him for the starting role...we could trade if need be.

Since he didnt do this...it looks more and more that he intends to trade McNabb prior or during the draft to get a mediocre pick back to potentially pick up a project guard or something. This rushing from QB to QB crap is stupid...it was not a top need last year and it is not this year either...and again, we will mortgage the future on another quest to find another john elway.....note....even john elway would have gotten crushed this year behind this line.

This line is only marginally better than last year....we need to pick up olinemen in the top two rounds for the next 2 years...we cant afford luxury picks for a "better" qb when we already have McNabb.

I wonder where all the Campbell haters are now?
The eagles must be laughing their butts off

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[quote=skins89moss;771878]Our QB form the 2011 season will be, who knows. Look right now we know it takes a QB a couple of years to get comfortable most offensive schemes. I still believe McNabb can do better in this offense in his 2nd year. I also believe we need a QB for the future and Rex maybe the opening starter until our drafted QB is ready to play. [B]McNabb will not be back unless he takes a pay cut and getss on board with both Shannys.[/B][/quote]


[B]Pay cut?[/B] Not likely at all given that he has a signed contract that gets him big bucks if he is on the final roster of 53 players. If he takes a pay cut, it will be with some other team after he is released from the Skins.


[B]Gets on board with both Shannys?[/B] This will happen about the same time Albert Haynesworth runs and finishes a marathon.

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I dont want Mallet or Luck nor do I want Locker.... all those guys are future Alex Smith, I'll take the kid with the winning smile, the Heisman and the best player in the country right now........ Cam Newton, they said Tebow was first round worth either..... lucky Denver didn't listen to that shit.......... I'll take Cam

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/23/donovan-mcnabbs-agent-takes-aim-at-kyle-shanahan/]Donovan McNabb’s agent takes aim at Kyle Shanahan | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;771987][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/23/donovan-mcnabbs-agent-takes-aim-at-kyle-shanahan/]Donovan McNabb’s agent takes aim at Kyle Shanahan | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I was going to start a new thread with the statement but it's just too irritating to do. I hope Kyle learns a lot from this, as well as Mike about drawing a clear line between team and family.

Best case for McNabb and us is that Childress gets hired somewhere as HC or coordinator (SF maybe?) and he trades for McNabb since they have a very good existing relationship. I doubt that Shanny will release McNabb, rather he will try to recoup our 4th round pick in this year's draft by trading him.

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[quote=Paintrain;771989]I was going to start a new thread with the statement but it's just too irritating to do. I hope Kyle learns a lot from this, as well as Mike about drawing a clear line between team and family.

Best case for McNabb and us is that Childress gets hired somewhere as HC or coordinator (SF maybe?) and he trades for McNabb since they have a very good existing relationship. I doubt that Shanny will release McNabb, rather he will try to recoup our 4th round pick in this year's draft by trading him.[/quote]

Yea if you had any doubts about 5 being here next season you dont have to worry anymore.. He'll be in ARZ

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[quote=Paintrain;771989]I was going to start a new thread with the statement but it's just too irritating to do. [B] I hope Kyle learns a lot from this, as well as Mike about drawing a clear line between team and family.[/B]

Best case for McNabb and us is that Childress gets hired somewhere as HC or coordinator (SF maybe?) and he trades for McNabb since they have a very good existing relationship. I doubt that Shanny will release McNabb, rather he will try to recoup our 4th round pick in this year's draft by trading him.[/quote]

I hope so, too, but I doubt it.

It seems that one of the factors in Shanny's dismissal from Denver was that his arrogance led him to foolish and counterproductive errors. When we hired him, I had hoped that his experience had chastened him and taught him something. Instead, the sagas of Haynesworth and DMac make Shanny seem more arrogant than ever (although both AH and DMac had parts to play in the sagas), arrogant in a problematic way that likely will cement the father-son bond.

I like your idea about Childress.

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[quote=Paintrain;771989]I was going to start a new thread with the statement but it's just too irritating to do. I hope Kyle learns a lot from this, as well as Mike about drawing a clear line between team and family.

Best case for McNabb and us is that Childress gets hired somewhere as HC or coordinator (SF maybe?) and he trades for McNabb since they have a very good existing relationship. I doubt that Shanny will release McNabb, rather he will try to recoup our 4th round pick in this year's draft by trading him.[/quote]

Makes me wonder. If Donovan is so adamant about taking the high road then why is his agent releasing a new statement every other day about how the coaching staff has mishandled his client? Certainly Donovan has the power to tell him to put a lid on it.

This comment on PFT pretty much nails it:
[quote]moochzilla says:
Dec 23, 2010 5:06 PM
Scorpiodsu…

Do you really believe that an agent would issue a public statement regarding his client’s thoughts and feelings about his employers without his client’s expressed consent to do so?

Are you kidding me? Ask anyone you know in PR / legal field if they’d do that with one of their clients.

Please.[/quote]

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/22/AR2010122202062.html]Thomas Boswell - Rex Grossman might not be a star, but he might be what Mike Shanahan wants[/url]

Interesting comparison..

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[quote=skinsnut;771962]As poorly as McNabb has played this year...I believe it is foolish to ditch him when our critical need is oline + multiple defensive positions.

Shanny would have done much better to say he is resting McNabb for the rest of the season...even if his intent was not to start him next year..his other starter could "outplay" him for the starting role...we could trade if need be.

Since he didnt do this...it looks more and more that he intends to trade McNabb prior or during the draft to get a mediocre pick back to potentially pick up a project guard or something. This rushing from QB to QB crap is stupid...it was not a top need last year and it is not this year either...and again, we will mortgage the future on another quest to find another john elway.....note....even john elway would have gotten crushed this year behind this line.

This line is only marginally better than last year....we need to pick up olinemen in the top two rounds for the next 2 years...we cant afford luxury picks for a "better" qb when we already have McNabb.

I wonder where all the Campbell haters are now?
The eagles must be laughing their butts off[/quote]

What is the freaking love affair with McNabb??? What has he done as a Redskins to deserve anything?? It obvious he doesn't want to learn the system, so get rid of him!!! I like Shanahan's philosophy of playing the best player no matter how much money he makes, or his draft position..Why should MS worries about his feelings??No player on this 5-9 team deserve anything. People act like DM was a great Redskin like Sonny Jurgensen, and they can't believe MS disrespected him..Goodbye DM, and goodbye to all the cry baby players that feel disrespected because they weren't told earlier in the week they suck..Is the outrage in DC that MS bench a black QB or is it because he bench the great Redskins DM? Would there be so much outrage if MS bench Rex, and didn't tell him until Thursday?

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My feeling's about McNabb really haven't changed since he was an Iggle. I'm not sure what everyone was expecting....

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[quote=53Fan;771999]My feeling's about McNabb really haven't changed since he was an Iggle. [B]I'm not sure what everyone was expecting[/B]....[/quote]

That goes in regards to MS as well. He obviously didn't perform a proper vetting process prior to giving up draft picks we need for a QB that didn't fit the system he was planning to implement.

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Call me crazy but for some reason I am really confident in Rex with this offense. I'm actually looking forward to seeing him run it again Sunday.

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[quote=Brody81;771997]What is the freaking love affair with McNabb??? What has he done as a Redskins to deserve anything?? It obvious he doesn't want to learn the system, so get rid of him!!! I like Shanahan's philosophy of playing the best player no matter how much money he makes, or his draft position..Why should MS worries about his feelings??No player on this 5-9 team deserve anything. People act like DM was a great Redskin like Sonny Jurgensen, and they can't believe MS disrespected him..Goodbye DM, and goodbye to all the cry baby players that feel disrespected because they weren't told earlier in the week they suck..Is the outrage in DC that MS bench a black QB or is it because he bench the great Redskins DM? Would there be so much outrage if MS bench Rex, and didn't tell him until Thursday?[/quote]

First, welcome to the Warpath,
Second...I have no love affair with McNabb at all...my point is that we have far greater needs than QB at this point...everyone knows that...our oline is a disaster...and the gamble in getting McNabb was that he would be able to hold down the fort for 3 years or so behind a rebuilding line with mediocre talent...that gamble so far has failed...why was it a gamble...because we risked 2 critical picks that would be available to us to shore up the oline to get him....now we don't have those pick AND we are going to dump the guy we bought with them...that is clearly a fail...if you really think Rex Grossman is better than McNabb...please state so...but do not make assumptions of my position on McNabb because I believe Shanny is not playing his cards right.
BTW...I don't care about players feelings or certainly what color, religion or whatever sex they are...if they are talented...they need to be maximized...no one can claim Shanny has done that with either McNabb nor Haynesworth....I would suggest that other coaches in the NFL could have gotten more production out of both of them.

Do I think McNabb is fantastic....absolutely not...do I think he is better than anyone else on the squad or any FA that may be available....probably....so why ditch the guy and open up a glaring hole when we are bleeding badly in so many other locations?
That is my point.

Rebuilding a team has a lot to do with timing as much as it does to do with money, number of picks, etc...I just think the timing sucks for having no starter even before the offseason starts....It hurts our leverage in the draft, McNabb trade value, and the cost of FA Qbs.
What ever happened to keeping your cards close to the vest?

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[quote=Brody81;771997]What is the freaking love affair with McNabb??? What has he done as a Redskins to deserve anything?? It obvious he doesn't want to learn the system, so get rid of him!!! I like Shanahan's philosophy of playing the best player no matter how much money he makes, or his draft position..Why should MS worries about his feelings??No player on this 5-9 team deserve anything. People act like DM was a great Redskin like Sonny Jurgensen, and they can't believe MS disrespected him..Goodbye DM, and goodbye to all the cry baby players that feel disrespected because they weren't told earlier in the week they suck..Is the outrage in DC that MS bench a black QB or is it because he bench the great Redskins DM? Would there be so much outrage if MS bench Rex, and didn't tell him until Thursday?[/quote]

Love affair? I think you're mistaken. A majority of the NFL fanbase always seem to side with the coach or management whenever there's some sort of rift between the player and management/coach. Your response to this matter is typical, the positive responses you're seeing are definitely in the minority.

Most of the fanbase in general detest Donovan McNabb. Just look at any conversation on ESPN.com whenever this QB drama is brought up. Sure you have your Shannahan bashers, but a majority of the posters are siding and supporting Shannahan.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;772020]
Most of the fanbase in general detest Donovan McNabb. [/quote]

I don't really agree with this statement.
I would say that most Skins fans are disappointed with McNabb's performance this year but respect McNabb as a player due to his past handlings of controversial issues, his leadership and performance on the field.
I fall into that category...and I'd guess that 80% of warpather's would agree.

I seriously doubt the majority of skins fans Detest McNabb

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[quote=Shadowbyte;772020]Love affair? I think you're mistaken. A majority of the NFL fanbase always seem to side with the coach or management whenever there's some sort of rift between the player and management/coach. Your response to this matter is typical, the positive responses you're seeing are definitely in the minority.

Most of the fanbase in general detest Donovan McNabb. Just look at any conversation on ESPN.com whenever this QB drama is brought up. Sure you have your Shannahan bashers, but a majority of the posters are siding and supporting Shannahan.[/quote]

Fans are jealous and love to see a guy fall down, even if he's a respected guy in the locker room and by other players around the league.

Also, people love authority figures with a great public image of themselves. The "In Shanny I Trust" slogan was being tossed around all over the place for quite a while.

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^ the " in Shanny I trust" slogan is still alive for me.. I have no doubt that he will create a playoff contender in Wsh, in 2 years when we finish 11-5 and win the east you will "trust" him also

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[quote=skinsfaninok;772034]^ the " in Shanny I trust" slogan is still alive for me.. I have no doubt that he will create a playoff contender in Wsh, in 2 years when we finish 11-5 and win the east you will "trust" him also[/quote]

I do trust him...or his actual past track record.
Offense will be revived.
Defense will always be "in development" but never good
Flaky free agent deals.
and of course...no SBs because SB-winning coaches never win one after leaving the team they won SB(s) with.

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^ don't give up on him yet bro, he's a good coach and has been his whole career.. The guy is highly talked of here even 20 plus years after he coached at OU.. He knows the game just takes time to turn our bush league team around

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[quote=skinsfaninok;772038]^ don't give up on him yet bro, he's a good coach and has been his whole career.. The guy is highly talked of here even 20 plus years after he coached at OU.. He knows the game just takes time to turn our bush league team around[/quote]

I don't mind being pleasantly surprised, and I'm ready for it too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;772034]^ the " in Shanny I trust" slogan is still alive for me.. I have no doubt that he will create a playoff contender in Wsh, in 2 years when we finish 11-5 and win the east you will "trust" him also[/quote]

I feel even more confident about our future with a coach that believes the best player should play regardless of the money he makes or his draft position. It time to root for players for there performance on the field.

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[quote=Brody81;772057]I feel even more confident about our future with a coach that believes the best player should play regardless of the money he makes or his draft position. It time to root for players for there performance on the field.[/quote]

I wish I were as confident as you guys...this in Shanny I trust stuff is a bit over the top considering his teams performance...just like players need to be accountable for their personal performance...the coach needs to be accountable for the team record...so far I am unimpressed...but still willing to hope that this is a 3 year project...I predicted a 7-9 season when most were saying 9-7 or 10-6...and I am a skeptic...obviously hitting 7-9 would be the best possible scenario at this point....did anyone really think that the star Shanny with McNabb and Allen would only yield 1 more win than Zorn, Campbell, and Vinny with 2 games to go? (and possibly for the whole season)

It is true that you are only as good as your record....as a team....and as a coach...I feel the honeymoon "love" should be wearing off for Shanny as he has made his fair share of mistakes...predominantly with how he deals with personnel and his history of screwing up defenses.

McNabb underperformed and should be criticized...but Shanny and Allen have obviously underperformed as well.
The only guys I can think of that overperformed....are guys that weren't even on the squad last year...Banks, Torrain.

Unless there is a major upgrade on the lines...and a legit starter at QB and RB...this team will post another losing record next year. Don't be tempted to drink the annual koolaid.

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If I had to say... I'm guessing we will be selecting 7th overall in the 2011 draft.

According to what I'm seeing, I figure that these teams will be ahead of us:

1) Carolina - 2-13 with Atlanta next week. Definite #1... but do they take Luck? I don't think that's a lock. I could see a trade down here.

2) Denver - 3-11 with Hou & SD left. Do they take Luck with Tebow there? I personally don't think so, but who knows.

3) Cincinnati - 3-11 with SD & Balt left. I think they may have a new coach & definitely take a QB here.

4) Arizona - 4-10 with Dallas & SF left. We all know they will be taking a QB... but do they trade up to get above Cincy?

5) Detroit - 4-10 with Mia & Minny left. (If they win either game & we lose both, they actually fall behind us.. decent possibilty of that actually) They aren't taking a QB here.

6) Buffalo - 4-10 with NE & Jets left. (Same as Detroit as far as falling behind us, except they aren't beating NE or NYJ). Many people say QB here, but I'm not sold. Fitzpatrick has had a very solid year and has built a great connection with WR Steve Johnson.... again who knows.

I feel that there is a huge possibility that one of these four will be on our roster in 2011:

* Andrew Luck - At best, next generation's Peyton Manning... at worst... next generation's Eli Manning. I doubt we have the guns to move up to get him regardless.

* Cam Newton - Who knows what he'll end up being... but just imagine if he IS the real deal... not just another Vince Young. I think he and Locker have the biggest All-Pro or Bust mold in the draft. If he's still there with Locker at our pick... that'd be really interesting to see.

* Ryan Mallet - Don't know if he fit's Shanny's offense, but huge arm to make all of the throws and, really, Schaub & Elway didn't run around much.

* Jake Locker - Most suited to Shanny's optimal system QB. I'm thinking Jake Plummer with a stronger arm & 4.4/4.5 speed (Have you all seen him out run safeties?)... but it seems as though he has Grossman's decision-making.

As of this moment, we would pick 9th behind SF & Dallas... but I think San Fran will beat either STL or Arizona and I think Dallas will beat Arizona tomorrow night... moving them each behind us.

Most likely Luck & Newton will be gone by our pick (my wild guess is Luck to Arizona & Newton to Cincy)... I truly think Jake Locker will be on our roster next year, but sit behind Sexy Rexy... that was what I voted.

I also think that after Luck (who I believe is the real deal)... between Newton, Mallet, and Locker... they will be compared for years as to who got the right QB and who got the bust.

These are just my opinions and could be way off... but there's the lay of the land at least.

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There have been some REALLY great QB's in the draft the past recent years but we missed out.
The season isnt even over and Im haunted by a feeling that next year is already written off. I dont think any FA QBs want to deal with daddy/son egos and a pathetic OL/WR core.
But if we get word Haslett is fired I think we have a shot to contend for the division like we ought to have won this year despite a team divided by coaches/players.
If we were going to bench mcnabb/AH and openly sacrifice this season to gain control of the authorita- i wonder if we would have been better off keeping zorn not firing haslett and waiting for gruden or cowher for the 2011 season. I mean what good is a FEW more wins when we are even more terrible and reaching new lows of embarassment????
Its going to be a long offseason and maybe an added sentence under this regime. Hail Hit-no shanahans

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The Shanny I trust stuff is utter nonsense. Remember in Gibbs II we trust, Spurrier, etc? The performances in terms of game planning, play calling, and handling personnel thus far for the Shanahans has been abysmal at best. Ditto for Allen. These guys should have already known that McNabb wasn't a good fit for the system. Isn't strange that the Eagles would give up their multiple Pro Bowl QB to an intradivisional rival, and nobody in Redskins Park gave it a second thought? A lot of us were excited about getting DM, but still the Eagles obviously knew he wasn't the QB to give them a title. If these guys bumble through draft 2011, game(franchise) over. These guys will be looking for new jobs come Jan 2013. He might be a good coach, but he hasn't won squat since 1998, even with a ton of post Elway talent in a crappy division. Too many of the kool aid drinkers in here are like love lorn college chicks without self esteem throwing themselves at any guy thinking he loves her, while in the end she is just used and disillusioned. Happens way too much!

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;772107]
* Cam Newton - Who knows what he'll end up being... but just imagine if he IS the real deal... not just another Vince Young. I think he and Locker have the biggest All-Pro or Bust mold in the draft. If he's still there with Locker at our pick... that'd be really interesting to see.

* Ryan Mallet - Don't know if he fit's Shanny's offense, but huge arm to make all of the throws and, really, Schaub & Elway didn't run around much.

* Jake Locker - Most suited to Shanny's optimal system QB. I'm thinking Jake Plummer with a stronger arm & 4.4/4.5 speed (Have you all seen him out run safeties?)... but it seems as though he has Grossman's decision-making.

As of this moment, we would pick 9th behind SF & Dallas... but I think San Fran will beat either STL or Arizona and I think Dallas will beat Arizona tomorrow night... moving them each behind us.

Most likely Luck & Newton will be gone by our pick (my wild guess is Luck to Arizona & Newton to Cincy)... I truly think Jake Locker will be on our roster next year, but sit behind Sexy Rexy... that was what I voted.

.[/quote]

The main differences between Locker and Newton are that Locker not only played in a pro style offense but he also started games every year for the four years he played at Washington. Apparently one of the biggest indicators of success for QB's at the next level is the number of starts a QB is able to gather during their college career. Newton is not only coming out early (a quality that seems to hurt most QB's) but he only has one year of playing experience. Newton is going to be a bust short of playing for Andy Reid.

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And as for the Locker love, why? Kid has an arm, but he throws a lot of INTs and his deceision making sucks. I would go for him over Newton though.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;772170]The main differences between Locker and Newton are that Locker not only played in a pro style offense but he also started games every year for the four years he played at Washington. Apparently one of the biggest indicators of success for QB's at the next level is the number of starts a QB is able to gather during their college career. Newton is not only coming out early (a quality that seems to hurt most QB's) but he only has one year of playing experience. Newton is going to be a bust short of playing for Andy Reid.[/quote]


I agree totally. Mallet or Locker should be the man if we do indeed draft a QB first. To me though we need to give the next guy a frigging line before we waste a draft pick on a QB. I am just thinking about Stafford in Detroit. Kid is now junk, while a better line would have kept him from becoming MR. Glass so soon. Locker has the raw talent, but I put him in the same category as Snead.

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We need to draft o linemen in this draft and it appears this is a good year to do it as the pool looks pretty deep. Luck is the only "franchise" qb in this draft, at least based on tape. Ideally we get a top shelf lineman, perhaps a 3-4 DE or offensive lineman and then see what's available in the second round. If someone like Mallett or Locker has fallen, which is quite possible, take one, otherwise, add more linemen.
As for Haslett, you can't expect to have an elite 3-4 defense the first year you implement it, especially when your lacking in the personnel department. We have some of the pieces for it to work but we need to add either a stout end or a big nose tackle, another rush linebacker and for god's sake, can we draft a fricken FS? Then again, I wonder if Kevin Barnes might be able to take that spot. Either way, I feel that given more than one year and a healthy Laron Landry, the defense could turn into a monster.

While I understand we are all frustrated by two decades of continual sucking, the knee jerk reaction to fire Haslett is quite premature. Our defense gave up a lot of yards early and has to blitz constantly, but we forced a ton of turnovers and at least made up for the yardage by keeping the points allowed reasonable. The loss of Landry pretty much ruined the d not to mention the fact that our offense has been anemic at best for the majority of the season. With the additions of more 3-4 talent, we could turn into one of the leagues best. It just isn't going to happen over night.

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i wouldnt go 3-4 end in the first round. there arent any elite o-lineman in the first round either. we need offensive playmakers at wide receiver, a qb for the future, o-line, d-line, and another rush linebacker. i'd look at taking either blackmon at receiver in the first or a rush outside linebacker to compliment orakpo and take pressure off of him. if locker is there, i think shanahan would take him though.

i think grossman will be the opening day starting qb.

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[quote=Terpfan76;772245][B]We need to draft o linemen in this draft and it appears this is a good year to do it as the pool looks pretty deep.[/B] Luck is the only "franchise" qb in this draft, at least based on tape. Ideally we get a top shelf lineman, perhaps a 3-4 DE or offensive lineman and then see what's available in the second round. If someone like Mallett or Locker has fallen, which is quite possible, take one, otherwise, add more linemen.
As for Haslett, you can't expect to have an elite 3-4 defense the first year you implement it, especially when your lacking in the personnel department. We have some of the pieces for it to work but we need to add either a stout end or a big nose tackle, another rush linebacker and for god's sake, can we draft a fricken FS? Then again, I wonder if Kevin Barnes might be able to take that spot. Either way, I feel that given more than one year and a healthy Laron Landry, the defense could turn into a monster.

[B]While I understand we are all frustrated by two decades of continual sucking, the knee jerk reaction to fire Haslett is quite premature[/B]. Our defense gave up a lot of yards early and has to blitz constantly, but we forced a ton of turnovers and at least made up for the yardage by keeping the points allowed reasonable. The loss of Landry pretty much ruined the d not to mention the fact that our offense has been anemic at best for the majority of the season. With the additions of more 3-4 talent, we could turn into one of the leagues best. It just isn't going to happen over night.[/quote]

This draft is definitely weaker towards the top with offensive linemen.

Last year, at 4-12 our defense was still top 10-12, and one year later we are 28-31. There is definitely some to blame on the coordinator when we didnt lose a whole lot on defense.

[QUOTE=cdskins26;772271]This draft is definitely weaker towards the top with offensive linemen.

Last year, at 4-12 our defense was still top 10-12, and one year later we are 28-31. There is definitely some to blame on the coordinator when we didnt lose a whole lot on defense.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's Haslett's fault. You can't run a good scheme with out the right players. I blame Shanny because he's so married to the 3-4 in the first place. I've said a few times that it's much easier to build a good offense if you already have a good defense. It just seems like common sense to leave it the way it was, revamp the offensive side, then if you want, make the switch. Because it's also easier to rebuild a defense if your now working with a good offense. Doing them both at once seems like such an up hill battle that takes so long.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;771408]Most are projecting him in the mid to late 2nd round. Knock on him is he doesn't wow you physically and he may be as good as he's going to be. I'd love to be able to trade down in the 2nd, add a pick and get Ponder[/QUOTE]

I definitely wouldn't mind seeing that. Only if we picked up another pick and grabbed him up some protection. If he's not protected I've seen him fall apart and get rattled in a hurry. If he's feeling relaxed, he can beat you a lot of different ways.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/25/AR2010122502040.html]Who will be Washington Redskins' starting quarterback in 2011 NFL season?[/url]

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Updated: December 26, 2010, 11:43 AM ET
Source: Donovan McNabb seeks release

By Adam Schefter
ESPN
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Being that Donovan McNabb no longer is a part of the Washington Redskins' game plans, he has his own game plan in place for after this season, according to one person close to the quarterback.

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After the season, McNabb is planning to meet with the Redskins and ask them for his release. McNabb wants to be in a position where he can pick the place to finish his career, not have it dictated to him as was the case last season when Philadelphia traded him to Washington.

It's highly unlikely the Redskins initially would release McNabb, not when they believe he still has some trade value. Washington would want to recoup as much as possible for the player whom they surrendered second- and fourth-round picks.

What will test McNabb's trade value is the $10 million option bonus in his contract that another team might have to pay. Yet there are any number of teams -- Minnesota, Seattle, San Francisco, Carolina, Tennessee and Miami -- with significant quarterback questions looming for 2011.

McNabb was benched only once in 11 years with Philadelphia, and he's already doubled that total with the Redskins since being acquired by the team in April. Shanahan yanked McNabb for Rex Grossman in the final two minutes against Detroit in October with the game on the line, then offered several strange excuses for the decision.

Earlier this season Mike Shanahan said he felt Grossman had a better grasp of the team's two-minute offense, then said McNabb lacked the "cardiovascular endurance" to run a fast-paced drill because of nagging hamstring injuries. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said McNabb had been tipped off in advance that the team might go with Grossman; McNabb said he hadn't.

Then the Redskins gave McNabb a five-year contract extension worth up to $78 million -- though the quarterback is guaranteed to receive only an extra $3.5 million this season. The deal contains a clause that allows the Redskins to cut McNabb before next season with no further financial obligation.

But with McNabb intending to ask the Redskins for his release, and with Washington in the market to trade him, one result seems unavoidable. McNabb will not be a Redskin in 2011.

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Screw mcnabb he will be let go b/c Coach wants him gone or if the money is too much on another aging cap heavy veteran (Wash. always finds ways to resign unwanted or over pay these aging vets). I wish his salary was low enough where we could keep him and stash him down the depth charts- he doesnt get to dictate his career simply by where he wants to finish.
Why did he reisgn if he isnt using the haynesworth take the money upfront then pee his pants and act a childish fool.

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in the washington post today mentioned marc bulger could be brought in for training camp next year.skins don't need more vet QB's.

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[quote=skinsfan57;772440]in the washington post today mentioned marc bulger could be brought in for training camp next year.skins don't need more vet QB's.[/quote]

Ew, gross.

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[quote=skinsfan57;772440]in the washington post today mentioned marc bulger could be brought in for training camp next year.skins don't need more vet QB's.[/quote]

I get the impression that Bulger enjoys his role up here. He also has a legitimate shot at earning a ring if he stays in B-more.