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[quote=juskins;782402]Dan Snyder is still ----ing with this organization by claiming he has been defamed with the caricature of his likeness.

Did he ever consider that his law suit would have a negative reaction on everything dealing with this team that has taken place thus far? This compares to signing the "has been talent" in his early years. Throwing money out the window to lazy athletes. Having Vinny around to kiss his rear-end by taking on the negative reactions that should have been aimed at Dan.

How can someone publicly say that he supports Dan Snyder? Dan is selfish, and, not one of us.[B] If the Supreme Court abolishes the namesake of this team, Dan will be blamed for it because he brings shit down on this organization because he does not think before filing bone-headed law suits or spending beyond a player's worth. [/B] He says he's disappointed with Albert Haynesworth, but he turns around and opens his mouth about being negatively characterize as an incompetent businessman.

Your negativity and love for the Washington Redskins has put the Redskin nation in another down-spiral. Please think before engaging your love for this team.[/quote]

Exactly. Someone else brought that up on either a TV show or an article. The main thing being that the anti-semitic motives behind the horns and mustache drawing is at best minimal (and thats a huge stretch). By reacting in such a way to something that wasn't even remotely anti-semitic he has put a huge bullseye on the teams namesake, because the more "passionate" native american groups can turn around and point to how Dan reacted in this incident.

It's like "oh so a drawing of you with horns is anti-semitic but we're overreacting when we say we're offended by the team name?" Thanks again Dan.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;782398]The best thing for Snyder right now would be to come out, and apologize for overreacting to the article. Come up with some crap about how he was frustrated that the team was only 6-10 and he misplaced his anger. Whatever just get this crap to go away and stop being a vindictive prick or better yet he should sell the team to Ted's group if [B]the satirical pieces[/B] bother him this much.[/quote]

Thats what I dont underdstand. All this negative impactful hoopla for a tongue n cheek article titled something funny like "Disgruntled Skins fan guide to .. A to Z" with a picture of him and childish drawings on him that was printed in the City Paper for people to read on the Metro.

I just cant bring myself to care as much anymore. Im resigned to accepting we suck and will suck for the foreseeable future.

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[quote=Ruhskins;782403]I hate to be political, but I find it funny that everyone complains about Snyder's antics, yet a good portion of this country and a political party continues to support legislation/loopholes that cut taxes on rich people like Snyder and helps them get even richer. And what I am trying to say is, what else do you expect from a rich and powerful person? I'm sure all rich and powerful people in this country are not like them, but probably a lot of them are.

That being said, while I do think Snyder has overreacted (but I'm not surprised that he did), I also think that the media in this area (and the country) tend to beat the dead horse over and over again in regards to Snyder and the Redskins. And maybe...maybe this article got a bit too personal. Yet I don't think Snyder can win this suit (although I am no legal expert).[/quote]

Yes, he will definitely lose the lawsuit. But with any luck he will get the author fired for having the gumption to jump in the middle of the highway.

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[quote=Ruhskins;782403]I hate to be political, but I find it funny that everyone complains about Snyder's antics, yet a good portion of this country and a political party continues to support legislation/loopholes that cut taxes on rich people like Snyder and helps them get even richer. And what I am trying to say is, what else do you expect from a rich and powerful person? I'm sure all rich and powerful people in this country are not like them, but probably a lot of them are.

That being said, while I do think Snyder has overreacted (but I'm not surprised that he did), I also think that the media in this area (and the country) tend to beat the dead horse over and over again in regards to Snyder and the Redskins. And maybe...maybe this article got a bit too personal. Yet I don't think Snyder can win this suit (although I am no legal expert).[/quote]



Like Dan chopping down trees so he could have a better view from his property?

The guy is a travesty and a parody waiting to happen. He owns the team that I love. I blame the NFL for selling this team to him. The NFL knew what kind of owner he would be. He even [B]PURPOSELY[/B] over-spent for the team thus insuring him of a niffy return should he sell it. This should have been an omen to the fan base that Snyder cares not for the team but cares for making a big splash in the public arena.

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[quote=Ruhskins;782403][B]I hate to be political, but I find it funny that everyone complains about Snyder's antics, yet a good portion of this country and a political party continues to support legislation/loopholes that cut taxes on rich people like Snyder and helps them get even richer[/B]. And what I am trying to say is, what else do you expect from a rich and powerful person? I'm sure all rich and powerful people in this country are not like them, but probably a lot of them are.

That being said, while I do think Snyder has overreacted (but I'm not surprised that he did), I also think that the media in this area (and the country) tend to beat the dead horse over and over again in regards to Snyder and the Redskins. And maybe...maybe this article got a bit too personal. Yet I don't think Snyder can win this suit (although I am no legal expert).[/quote]

My politics tend to support more taxes on the rich, but the fact is that jerkness doesn't discriminate between rich and poor. There are plenty of rich people of boundless generosity and friendliness, and plenty of poor people with the demeanor of Snyder. Not everyone with Snyder's wealth would respond to criticism that way Snyder seems to routinely do, and many of them apply general approaches in how they deal with other people that would help them avoid having publications chronicling their screw-ups.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;782404]Exactly. Someone else brought that up on either a TV show or an article. The main thing being that the anti-semitic motives behind the horns and mustache drawing is at best minimal (and thats a huge stretch). By reacting in such a way to something that wasn't even remotely anti-semitic he has put a huge bullseye on the teams namesake, because the more "passionate" native american groups can turn around and point to how Dan reacted in this incident.

It's like "oh so a drawing of you with horns is anti-semitic but we're overreacting when we say we're offended by the team name?" Thanks again Dan.[/quote]


Is the time ripe for a renaming the Redskins poll?

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[quote=juskins;782409]Like Dan chopping down trees so he could have a better view from his property?

The guy is a travesty and a parody waiting to happen. He owns the team that I love. I blame the NFL for selling this team to him. The NFL knew what kind of owner he would be. He even [B]PURPOSELY[/B] over-spent for the team thus insuring him of a niffy return should he sell it. This should have been an omen to the fan base that Snyder cares not for the team but cares for making a big splash in the public arena.[/quote]

That's your problem. It's not the NFL's fault. You should really blame Jack kent Cooke for not leaving the team to his son as opposed to making it so that the team would be put up for sale so that your charity could get more money. Really you kind of should be happy because JKC's charity got more money because Snyder "overpaid" for the team. It was an omen to me just how much this team was worth, or how important it was for one to own it.

So I say blame Jack Kent Cooke, because had he just left the team to his son then we would've won 7 Super Bowls by now right ?

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[quote=juskins;782411]Is the time ripe for a renaming the Redskins poll?[/quote]

Not yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyers for the native american groups that are against the teams name used this lawsuit as an opportunity to go after the team name again. However like Snyder's lawsuit they're not going to get very far. Like this story though they will probably end up annoying us.

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[quote=freddyg12;782299]here's a predicition that I'm half serious about:

As summer gets hotter, there is no CBA in place, & it looks almost certain that some of the season wont' be played, the Danny calls on the only man that's been able to keep him quietly in the shadows of Redskins Park - Joe Gibbs.

Gibbs comes in as a consultant to speak about what the Skins did during those strike years when they won super bowls. And hopefully for the danny, we once again think big, remember the 80s strike seasons & forget about our 21st century soap opera era.[/quote]


If the labor situation progresses as you postulate here, the "Gibbs as a consultant" angle is VERY likely to happen. And it might just happen before the summer heat sets in...

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;782412]That's your problem. It's not the NFL's fault. You should really blame Jack kent Cooke for not leaving the team to his son as opposed to making it so that the team would be put up for sale so that your charity could get more money. Really you kind of should be happy because JKC's charity got more money because Snyder "overpaid" for the team. It was an omen to me just how much this team was worth, or how important it was for one to own it.

So I say blame Jack Kent Cooke, because had he just left the team to his son then we would've won 7 Super Bowls by now right ?[/quote]

Sarcasm Duly noted.

Had JKC's son bought it, we would have an owner that was on a beach somewhere sipping margarita's, while we fans moaned about his lack of investment in the team. (that's my opinion)

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[quote=irish;782360]As for this issue specifically, I couldnt care less.

In the big picture I think DS doesnt care whether people are for him & the skins, or against him & the skins, as long as there's passion either way because that means people still care. I think his biggest fear is that people stop giving a damn about him & his team because once they tune out knows it will be nearly impossible to tune them back in.[/quote]



irish:

I think you are really close to something here...

I believe that Danny Boy "doesn't care whether people are for him ... or against him ... as long as there is passion either way..."

I think that Danny Boy would need years of couch-time counseling if everyone didn't pay him any attention - - positive or negative attention makes no difference. What I think he would not be able to stand was to be "ignored" or "shunned" or - - as the Brits say - - "sent to Coventry".

Lots of what he does is in the category of "Hey, over here! Look at me! I'm over here! "

I do not think that behavior is either laudatory or evil; but I think it exists...

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[quote=SmootSmack;782384]Well I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of variations of "I can't answer that because of the ongoing legal matter"[/quote]

The Over/Under on those variations is 18.5.

I got OVER...

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[quote] from: GMScud....


Yeah I didn't know he was Jewish either, and to throw out the anti-semite card is so pathetic. Like Feinstein said, none of this has anything to do with anti-semitism. It has to do with anti-Snyder.

He's definitely Jewish, which has made me often scratch my head about the hiring of Marty Schottenheimer. It's no wonder the relationship was short lived.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;782417]Sarcasm Duly noted.

Had JKC's son bought it, we would have an owner that was on a beach somewhere sipping margarita's, while we fans moaned about his lack of investment in the team. (that's my opinion)[/quote]

I can't stand it when people say this cause it's total 100% BS! When the team was under his control he went out and spent money. Does Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkonson ring a bell??? It's water under the bridge cause JKC dicked his own son, but there is NO QUESTION in my mind that we'd be in MUCH better hands had John Cooke kept the team.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;782413]Not yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyers for the native american groups that are against the teams name used this lawsuit as an opportunity to go after the team name again. However like Snyder's lawsuit they're not going to get very far. Like this story though they will probably end up annoying us.[/quote]



Because some of the Supreme Court Justices get to see the Redskins in person whenever they want. LOL

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[quote=skinsfan69;782426]I can't stand it when people say this cause it's total 100% BS! When the team was under his control he went out and spent money. Does Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkonson ring a bell??? It's water under the bridge cause JKC dicked his own son, but there is NO QUESTION in my mind that we'd be in MUCH better hands had John Cooke kept the team.[/quote]

2 high priced FA's that were pretty much busts.

So how would things have without question been different?

Just because they shared the same name doesn't make John would have been a great owner.

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[quote=skinsfan69;782426]I can't stand it when people say this cause it's total 100% BS! When the team was under his control he went out and spent money. Does Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkonson ring a bell??? It's water under the bridge cause JKC dicked his own son, but there is NO QUESTION in my mind that we'd be in MUCH better hands had John Cooke kept the team.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/20/AR2009102003616.html]Profile of John Kent Cooke, son of former Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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Hey Matty! Is there still a seat on your "Don't Give A Shit Bus"?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;782432]Hey Matty! Is there still a seat on your "Don't Give A Shit Bus"?[/quote]

Oh yeah hop on board!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;782431][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/20/AR2009102003616.html]Profile of John Kent Cooke, son of former Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke - washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

Good find...

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[quote=Mattyk;782428]2 high priced FA's that were pretty much busts.

So how would things have without question been different?

Just because they shared the same name doesn't make John would have been a great owner.[/quote]

C'mon Matty. Give me a break. You know damn well that this team would've been run in a much more professional manner if John Cooke was the owner. When Snyder took over this team was well on it's way and he came in a ripped it apart. He's been a shitty owner. If you can't figure that out for yourself then so be it. So I guess John Cooke would've embrasssed his head coach by bringing in a bingo caller to call plays mid season. I could go on and on. But I do understand that this is your website, and it's your job to be objective. :rolleyes:

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[quote=skinsfan69;782441]C'mon Matty. Give me a break. You know damn well that this team would've been run in a much more professional manner if John Cooke was the owner. When Snyder took over this team was well on it's way and he came in a ripped it apart. He's been a shitty owner. If you can't figure that out for yourself then so be it. So I guess John Cooke would've embrasssed his head coach by bringing in a bingo caller to call plays mid season. I could go on and on. But I do understand that this is your website, and it's your job to be objective. :rolleyes:[/quote]

Come on what? You named Stubby and Big Daddy as shining examples of John's work. Tell me they weren't busts.

Put Snyder aside for a moment... How can you say [B]without question[/B] we would have been better off with John as owner??

Just wondering why you have so much confidence in that thought?

You really don't think there's any chance we could have been worse off W/L wise?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;782431][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/20/AR2009102003616.html"]Profile of John Kent Cooke, son of former Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke - washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]

I remember this last year and he was also on Mike Wise....and if I remember correctly he didn't have very nice things to say about Snyder. But like I said, it's water under the bridge.

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My initial Cooke comment was tinged with sarcasm, but please that article is a puff piece from the Post at a time when Snyder was on the ropes and they were pulling no punches. Cooke had every opportunity to be the winning bidder, his Dad could have changed the will at any time to give his son additional chances but he didn't.

After he lost the team, what did Cooke do, he went to Bermuda and sat on the beach for several years. Who knows how he would have run the team, but nothing in that article, or his actions at the time convince me that he would have been any better or worse of an owner. Different yes, but better I dunno.

Personally that article sounds like a petulant son who thought he should have everything and when he didn't get it he got mad at the man who did. You notice in the article that Snyder said he was going to give the team to his son, I imagine that that royally ticked Cooke off towards Snyder.

Do you really think he would ever come out and give DS any credit regardless of the team's situation?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;782431][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/20/AR2009102003616.html]Profile of John Kent Cooke, son of former Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke - washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

Excellent article! I'm now depressed!

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Think about this, under Snyder the team has gone 86-106. That basically averages out to an average of just over 7 wins per year.

So if you don't think things could have been worse under another owner consider that during the same time the Lions averaged under 4.6 wins, the Cardinals 6, the Bills 6.75, the Browns 5.3, the Raiders 6.5, etc.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;782412]That's your problem. It's not the NFL's fault. You should really blame Jack kent Cooke for not leaving the team to his son as opposed to making it so that the team would be put up for sale [B]so that your charity could get more money. Really you kind of should be happy because JKC's charity got more money because Snyder "overpaid" for the team.[/B] It was an omen to me just how much this team was worth, or how important it was for one to own it.

So I say blame Jack Kent Cooke, because had he just left the team to his son then we would've won 7 Super Bowls by now right ?[/quote]


No, it was another flamboyant owner (JKC) over rating his demeanor and his place in life. I think Mr. Cook was saying to his sons, I bought the Washington Redskins with the money I earned. If one of my sons wants ownership of this team, they will have to find a way to buy it on their own merit. Not from heritability. I will bequeath you, John, an investment that you can parlay with other investors to buy the team that I will sell to you or whomever. I wish it did not have to be parsed out that way but I had nothing to do with it or nor did any other fan have a say about it.

I really think a cleaver lawyer can find a way to sue the NFL and Snyder for Dan's ownership of this team. If they did not win the suit, they would bring public opinion down on Mr. Snyder. I know you are saying "dream on" but the point being the entire process of finding the "right" owner was done with fixing the salable market of the Washington Redskins organization so that the NFL would profit by it.

I have bitten my tongue by supporting Snyder for many years. But, there comes a time when enough is enough with Dan. He has brought this franchise down and made it a laughing stock of the NFL.

By you claiming to support Dan Snyder is a let down from one fan to another. Surely, you just.

Yes, Dan Snyder over paid for this organization for his own greed and was not thinking of JKC's beloved charity - not my charity, as you alluded to.

If the response was close to half in support of the law suit and half in opposition to the law suit then I could see why you would throw your hat in Dan's corner. But to be the lone wolf in the forest howling by your lonesome should say something other than your supposedly support for Snyder is a little suspicious, don't you think?

Dan Snyder is a bad owner, period. I am fed up with the one liner "that Dan just wants to win", BS. If he just wants to win then sell the team. Of course that won't happen. We are stuck with this dollar maniac. This is not a rant against anyone who has wealth, not at all. But I am sick and tried of fans saying Dan is a passionate owner. My ass he is.

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Sue him for owning the team? That sounds even more ridiculous than Snyder's suit with the city paper.

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[quote=Mattyk;782444]Come on what? You named Stubby and Big Daddy as shining examples of John's work. Tell me they weren't busts.

Put Snyder aside for a moment... How can you say [B]without question[/B] we would have been better off with John as owner??

Just wondering why you have so much confidence in that thought?

You really don't think there's any chance we could have been worse off W/L wise?[/quote]

I was making an example that John Cooke would spend money, which he did. Right? We'd be winning more games cause we'd be a professional organization. From top to bottom. Professionals would be running the team. Not Vinny Cerrato and co. Professionals would be picking the players and putting a TEAM together. Not a fantasy team a REAL team. I'm sure someone has John's interview with Wise but he said it himself. He'd let the scouts and front office people do their thing. He'd have a competent head coach, not colleges coaches that didn't practice in bad weather, or a quirky QB coach with no OC experience. All that shows me there would be more wins. Oh, and I can promise you he wouldn't have shit on the fans.

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SUE HIM FOR OWNING THE TEAM ?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !

You guys are HIL-AR-IOUS !!!!!

Christ, is this where we have gone. So they would start with Dan ? Ralph Wilson gets a pass huh ?

Look, we can sit and read the article making John Cooke out to be a victim but the fact is that (if juhskins' theory is correct which I agree with in a way) he got into a bidding war for a business and he lost. Period.

He wasn't quite the model for a kick ass owner at the time either. Under HIS watch, we brought in James Washington, Stanley Richard, Carl Banks, Alvin Harper, and lets not go to the AWESOME drafts that Charlie Casserly blessed us with. Shit happens and it happened to us after Joe Gibbs retired the first time.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;782446]My initial Cooke comment was tinged with sarcasm, but please that article is a puff piece from the Post at a time when Snyder was on the ropes and they were pulling no punches.[B] Cooke had every opportunity to be the winning bidder, his Dad could have changed the will at any time to give his son additional chances but he didn't.[/B]

After he lost the team, what did Cooke do, he went to Bermuda and sat on the beach for several years. Who knows how he would have run the team, but nothing in that article, or his actions at the time convince me that he would have been any better or worse of an owner. Different yes, but better I dunno.

Personally that article sounds like a petulant son who thought he should have everything and when he didn't get it he got mad at the man who did. You notice in the article that Snyder said he was going to give the team to his son, I imagine that that royally ticked Cooke off towards Snyder.

Do you really think he would ever come out and give DS any credit regardless of the team's situation?[/quote]

Winning bidder? With what? He didn't have the money. His dad only left him 15 or 20 mil. His dad simply didn't want him to have the team. He got 10% of the sale which turned out to be 80 mil cause he owned a small part but he simply didn't have the cash. Snyder did and won fair and square.

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[quote=skinsfan69;782453]I was making an example that John Cooke would spend money, which he did. Right? We'd be winning more games cause we'd be a professional organization. From top to bottom. Professionals would be running the team. Not Vinny Cerrato and co. Professionals would be picking the players and putting a TEAM together. Not a fantasy team a REAL team. I'm sure someone has John's interview with Wise but he said it himself. He'd let the scouts and front office people do their thing. He'd have a competent head coach, not colleges coaches that didn't practice in bad weather, or a quirky QB coach with no OC experience. All that shows me there would be more wins. Oh, and I can promise you he wouldn't have shit on the fans.[/quote]

You've got some crystal ball there...

All the stuff you're talking about is in the past though. Don't we have pros in place running things now?

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[quote=juskins;782450]No, it was another flamboyant owner (JKC) over rating his demeanor and his place in life. I think Mr. Cook was saying to his sons, I bought the Washington Redskins with the money I earned. If one of my sons wants ownership of this team, they will have to find a way to buy it on their own merit. Not from heritability. I will bequeath you, John, an investment that you can parlay with other investors to buy the team that I will sell to you or whomever. I wish it did not have to be parsed out that way but I had nothing to do with it or nor did any other fan have a say about it.

I really think a cleaver lawyer can find a way to sue the NFL and Snyder for Dan's ownership of this team. If they did not win the suit, they would bring public opinion down on Mr. Snyder. I know you are saying "dream on" but the point being the entire process of finding the "right" owner was done with fixing the salable market of the Washington Redskins organization so that the NFL would profit by it.

I have bitten my tongue by supporting Snyder for many years. But, there comes a time when enough is enough with Dan. He has brought this franchise down and made it a laughing stock of the NFL.

By you claiming to support Dan Snyder is a let down from one fan to another. Surely, you just.

Yes, Dan Snyder over paid for this organization for his own greed and was not thinking of JKC's beloved charity - not my charity, as you alluded to.

If the response was close to half in support of the law suit and half in opposition to the law suit then I could see why you would throw your hat in Dan's corner. But to be the lone wolf in the forest howling by your lonesome should say something other than your supposedly support for Snyder is a little suspicious, don't you think?

Dan Snyder is a bad owner, period. I am fed up with the one liner "that Dan just wants to win", BS. If he just wants to win then sell the team. Of course that won't happen. We are stuck with this dollar maniac. This is not a rant against anyone who has wealth, not at all. [B]But I am sick and tried of fans saying Dan is a passionate owner. [/B] My ass he is.[/quote]

I am just as sick of fans who, having (most likely) little clue of the complexities of owning an NFL franchise, sit and berate another lifelong Redskin fan(which DS by all accounts is) because he had a chance to come in, and own the team. I swear that any fan who came in would have been the same little boy in the candy shop and bought up all the big names he could. BUT, fact is we don't own the team, and we can't understand the overall plan, and many new owners go through long transitions (JJ may have won quick, but his Cowboys had had a longer playoff losing streak than us), and I believe we have seen a positive trend in DS' understanding of being an NFL owner, and particularly the owner of the Washington Redskins. It's ridiculous to blast out hate on this guy but it happens because his actions/inactions are subject to INTENSE scrutiny by passionate fans and the rabid press.

In the end, you are entitled to hate DS, that's fine, but it's grass is greener thinking that any other serious competitor to own the Skins would have done any better or have been a more passionate owner.:rant:

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I'm not going to say much here because I'm still pretty livid about previous accusations sent my way (won't sue anyone though, so don't worry), but just wanted to point out a couple of things a) in the year and change I was around the team when John Kent Cooke was around it was pretty obvious he wasn't all that respected (and I've had many former players it was like that during the 80s/early 90s, that he was kept out of most major decisions regarding the team). Some may say that's what we need right now of course. Right? A guy who just writes checks and sits in a corner.

Secondly, just to remind people John Kent Cooke put up an offer of close to $700 million. But Howard Millstein and his group (of which Snyder was a minority owner) outbid them with an $800 million bid. The owners didn't approve the deal because of concerns of how debt-heavy Milstein's bid would be, and also because they wanted to keep the team in John Kent Cooke's hands (this campaign if I recall correctly was spearheaded by Cooke himself and Pat Bowlen), even though the trustees of Papa Cooke's estate had already agreed to sell to Millstein's group. Ultimately enough owners voted to sell the team to Milstein's group, but this time with Snyder as the majority owner.

That's all. Nothing else to say.

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[quote=skinsfan69;782457]Winning bidder? With what? He didn't have the money. His dad only left him 15 or 20 mil. His dad simply didn't want him to have the team. He got 10% of the sale which turned out to be 80 mil cause he owned a small part but he simply didn't have the cash. Snyder did and won fair and square.[/quote]

In the Post Article, Cooke said he came up with a proposal for $750 million that he had been told would be enough. It wasn't, but if JKC had had some change of heart that made him want to guarantee his son got it, he could have put stipulations that any non family bidder would have to put up an additional fee to secure the Redskins tradition. Or some other type of financial mumbo jumbo that virtually assured JKC that his son would win the bidding.

He didn't, and Cooke is probably still bitter about that.

And yes DS won fair and square, and how funny it would be had John gotten it that I can imagine this same forum having articles on why we all wished DS had gotten it. The other path ALWAYS looks better.

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[quote=Mattyk;782452]Sue him for owning the team? That sounds even more ridiculous than Snyder's suit with the city paper.[/quote]


Its called collusion, connivance to control the sale of a franchise with a willing party. It is not frivolous law suit, it happens all the time. Known as fixing the market, etc.

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[quote=SmootSmack;782460]I'm not going to say much here because I'm still pretty livid about previous accusations sent my way (won't sue anyone though, so don't worry), but just wanted to point out a couple of things a) in the year and change I was around the team when John Kent Cooke was around it was pretty obvious he wasn't all that respected (and I've had many former players it was like that during the 80s/early 90s, that he was kept out of most major decisions regarding the team). Some may say that's what we need right now of course. Right? A guy who just writes checks and sits in a corner.

Secondly, just to remind people John Kent Cooke put up an offer of close to $700 million. But Howard Millstein and his group (of which Snyder was a minority owner) outbid them with an $800 million bid. The owners didn't approve the deal because of concerns of how debt-heavy Milstein's bid would be, and also because they wanted to keep the team in John Kent Cooke's hands (this campaign if I recall correctly was spearheaded by Cooke himself and Pat Bowlen), even though the trustees of Papa Cooke's estate had already agreed to sell to Millstein's group. Ultimately enough owners voted to sell the team to Milstein's group, but this time with Snyder as the majority owner.

That's all. Nothing else to say.[/quote]

SS, this is a question .I heard it just as you say but Ted's group was not given the same option I heard an that caused some riffs?

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[quote=Giantone;782465]SS, this is a question .I heard it just as you say but Ted's group was not given the same option I heard an that caused some riffs?[/quote]

Ted?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;782459]I am just as sick of fans who, having (most likely) little clue of the complexities of owning an NFL franchise, sit and berate another lifelong Redskin fan(which DS by all accounts is) because he had a chance to come in, and own the team. I swear that any fan who came in would have been the same little boy in the candy shop and bought up all the big names he could. BUT, fact is we don't own the team, and we can't understand the overall plan, and many new owners go through long transitions (JJ may have won quick, but his Cowboys had had a longer playoff losing streak than us), and I believe we have seen a positive trend in DS' understanding of being an NFL owner, and particularly the owner of the Washington Redskins. It's ridiculous to blast out hate on this guy but it happens because his actions/inactions are subject to INTENSE scrutiny by passionate fans and the rabid press.

In the end, you are entitled to hate DS, that's fine, but it's grass is greener thinking that any other serious competitor to own the Skins would have done any better or have been a more passionate owner.:rant:[/quote]



You use the word "hate" associated with my posting, not my choice of word.

The bottom line with Dan Snyder is the dollar. As with other owners. But the difference with Dan Snyder has been itemized by the article in the law suit. I just don't think that Mr. Snyder gives a hill of beans about his loyalties to the Washington Redskins. It's an investment first and foremost and not this BS about his life long love for the Redskins.

Little boy in a candy shop is not a good analogy of Dan's reckless ownership of this franchise. The maverick who is not a maverick in terms of showing a positive direction of owning a franchise that had some moxie during the time when Dan bought it.

Let's hope Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen can restore it to respectability again without Dan Snyder's interference.

So, hate is the wrong word. Disrespect is the right word in describing my present feelings towards Mr. Snyder.

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[quote=juskins;782462]Its called collusion, connivance to control the sale of a franchise with a willing party. It is not frivolous law suit, it happens all the time. Known as fixing the market, etc.[/quote]

10 years after the fact? C'mon