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[quote=Dirtbag59;802535]Does anyone (Smoot) know if Reid and McNabb are close? I ask because Reid is usually pretty reserved guy. His recent articles though concerning the Redskins QB situation seem to have him on fire and they always seem to include a line or two about the treatment of McNabb.

Oh well I guess that's his job now. As a beat writer his job was mainly just to relay facts and rumors. As a columnist however he's probably expected to put a little more emotion into his pieces.[/quote]

Reid has little hands....makes me nervous.

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[quote=Lotus;802529]If we sign Young, perhaps he will wear a wristband.

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/12/report-mcnabb-refused-to-wear-a-wristband-with-plays/"]Report: McNabb refused to wear a wristband with plays | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]


The Junkies talked about this today and said they had it confirmed by several people. They did say though that it was still a rumor though unless McNabb or Shanahan confirm the incident.

Not only would McNabb not wear the wristband saying that it would ruin his "image", at the SB the topic came up at a dinner with DS, MS, Allen, and McNabbs manager. Supposedly DS didn't know about the wrist band issue and started admonishing MS for not forcing McNabb to wear the wrist band and even went on to say that if McNabb stays Shanahan better have McNabb wearing a wrist band. The whole time Allen and McNabbs agent sat there stunned. lol.

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[quote=SBXVII;802538]The Junkies talked about this today and said they had it confirmed by several people. They did say though that it was still a rumor though unless McNabb or Shanahan confirm the incident.

Not only would McNabb not wear the wristband saying that it would ruin his "image", at the SB the topic came up at a dinner with DS, MS, Allen, and McNabbs manager. Supposedly DS didn't know about the wrist band issue and started admonishing MS for not forcing McNabb to wear the wrist band and even went on to say that if McNabb stays Shanahan better have McNabb wearing a wrist band. The whole time Allen and McNabbs agent sat there stunned. lol.[/quote]

LOL, a guy with hardass rep like Shanahan being chewed out for not forcing his player to do something. Inconceivable(so says Vizzini).

Maybe Shanahan isn't such a hardcore drill sargent after all. Well, he did have a relatively "light" training camp too.

That said, it's really pretty selfish to sacrifice your team's performance just to avoid wounded pride.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;802540]LOL, a guy with hardass rep like Shanahan being chewed out for not forcing his player to do something. Inconceivable(so says Vizzini).

Maybe Shanahan isn't such a hardcore drill sargent after all. Well, he did have a relatively "light" training camp too.

That said, it's really pretty selfish to sacrifice your team's performance just to avoid wounded pride.[/quote]

No apparently because McNabb wouldn't wear the wrist band MS decided to simply throw plays at McNabb and let McNabb make himself look foolish, which led to the benching. McNabb proved MS right that he didn't know the offense completely and got himself benched.

All because of "image". God forbid fans see you looking at a wrist band like Tom Brady or half a dozen other SB winning QB's.

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All Redskin QB's are required to wear wristbands
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Wait hold on maybe it was because he wasn't new to the system
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No....huh. Well Beck, Beck most certainly wore one when he came here.
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Hmmmm. Well Kyle probably forced Schuab to wear one.
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[quote=SBXVII;802541]
All because of "image". God forbid fans see you looking at a wrist band like Tom Brady or half a dozen other SB winning QB's.[/quote]

Some folks may have to reconsider whether McNabb truly is a team player, or more concerned about himself.

Hopefully, he wrecks the Vikes next year with this insecurity of his. We need them to be on the losing end of another trade.

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Good points DirtBag59 but none of those QB's were in the same system for over 10yrs old habits are hard to break a wrist band might of helped DMc.

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I don't know what type of relationship Reid and McNabb really have

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;802544]Good points DirtBag59 but none of those QB's were in the same system for over 10yrs old habits are hard to break a wrist band might of helped DMc.[/quote]

I feel it's more a story out of nothing and it worked. Look how much talk it's generating. I think the real issue they had with McNabb was his refusal to retool on his footwork, not on his decision not to wear a wristband, which I think hasn't been worn by a Shanahan QB since Plummer. Cutler might have worn one to but in the pics I've seen of him in Denver most of them show him without a wrist band.

Still i don't get the dislike of McNabb the person. McNabb the QB? Fire away, but McNabb is one of the classier guys in the league that becomes bombarded with nonconstructive criticism. For God's sake look no further then the Benard Hopkins comment.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802546]I feel it's more a story out of nothing and it worked. Look how much talk it's generating. I think the real issue they had with McNabb was his refusal to retool on his footwork, not on his decision not to wear a wristband, which I think hasn't been worn by a Shanahan QB since Plummer. Cutler might have worn one to but in the pics I've seen of him in Denver most of them show him without a wrist band.

Still i don't get the dislike of McNabb the person. McNabb the QB? Fire away, but McNabb is one of the classier guys in the league that becomes bombarded with nonconstructive criticism. For God's sake look no further then the Benard Hopkins comment.[/quote]

McNabb has a communications degree, so he's probably pretty damn good at pushing the buttons of his audience, and the foolish public eats up his stuff like children eating candy.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/12/john-beck-would-apparently-start-over-grossman-if-rex-re-signs/]John Beck would apparently start over Grossman if Rex re-signs | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/roster-analysis-quarterbacks/2011/05/12/AFlP4izG_blog.html#pagebreak]Roster analysis: Quarterbacks - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802546]I feel it's more a story out of nothing and it worked. Look how much talk it's generating. I think the real issue they had with McNabb was his refusal to retool on his footwork, not on his decision not to wear a wristband, which I think hasn't been worn by a Shanahan QB since Plummer. Cutler might have worn one to but in the pics I've seen of him in Denver most of them show him without a wrist band.

Still i don't get the dislike of McNabb the person. McNabb the QB? Fire away, but McNabb is one of the classier guys in the league that becomes bombarded with nonconstructive criticism. For God's sake look no further then the Benard Hopkins comment.[/quote]

I don't get why people get their panties in a bunch about this. Did McNabb have some part in the mess that was last offseason? Of course. But he wasn't alone. Personally, I don't think he should've been brought here at all.

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[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Pat Devlin
Scott Tolzien
Taylor Potts[/COLOR]
I think the UDFA thing may play into our QB situation if this friggin lock out ever ends.

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I doubt the wrist band was the sole reason McNoodle was benched.

Also, would everyone please stop referencing what the Skins did last year with a typical MS offensive scheme. The closest I could see the offense even remotely resembling MS's scheme was in the run game on only the 2 or 3 runs that actually made it past the line of scrimage because the OL actually did their jobs.

I'd say almost 90% of the scheme was more KS's offensive scheme, similar to Houstons. Now if you want to go look at the history of KS and if any of the QB's wore wrist bands then fine. Maybe none of his QB's did either, but it wouldn't have killed him to wear a wrist band.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;802552][COLOR="DarkGreen"]Pat Devlin
Scott Tolzien
Taylor Potts[/COLOR]
I think the UDFA thing may play into our QB situation if this friggin lock out ever ends.[/quote]

Devlin - Lets be honest, no one would be paying attention to him had it not been for the success of Joe Flacco.

Taylor Potts - Texas Tech QB? No tanks kind sur.

Scott Tolzien - Passed the 26-27-60 rule. I'm in.

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[quote=SBXVII;802554]I doubt the wrist band was the sole reason McNoodle was benched.

Also, would everyone please stop referencing what the Skins did last year with a typical MS offensive scheme. The closest I could see the offense even remotely resembling MS's scheme was in the run game on only the 2 or 3 runs that actually made it past the line of scrimage because the OL actually did their jobs.

I'd say almost 90% of the scheme was more KS's offensive scheme, similar to Houstons. Now if you want to go look at the history of KS and if any of the QB's wore wrist bands then fine. Maybe none of his QB's did either, but it wouldn't have killed him to wear a wrist band.[/quote]

Yeah the offense is Kyle's, but where do you think he got a lot of his ideas and concepts from? You don't grow up with Mike Shanahan as your Dad and not come away influenced by him. The zone running game, the boot actions, etc., that's all vintage Mike Shanahan. Kyle has made it his own now, but there's still a lot of similarities there.

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The presumed Redskins starting QB said he loves to get hit while throwing. This is what he was talking about.”

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/john-beck-getting-whacked-in-the-chin-and-completing-a-pass/2011/05/12/AFr6Ky0G_blog.html]John Beck getting whacked in the chin and completing a pass - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

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The offense started with Mike. .

Mike->Gary kubiak Denver

Kubiak->Kyle Houston

What we dealt with was a trial season of a mixture of both

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[quote=Ruhskins;802551]I don't get why people get their panties in a bunch about this. Did McNabb have some part in the mess that was last offseason? Of course. But he wasn't alone. [B] Personally, I don't think he should've been brought here at all[/B].[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. McNabb has always been, IMO, one of the most over-rated QB's ever. I saw him throw a deep pass on the run that was as great a pass as I've ever seen. On the other hand he throws more short passes in the dirt than any QB I've ever seen.

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[quote=Mattyk;802556]Yeah the offense is Kyle's, but where do you think he got a lot of his ideas and concepts from? You don't grow up with Mike Shanahan as your Dad and not come away influenced by him. The zone running game, the boot actions, etc., that's all vintage Mike Shanahan. Kyle has made it his own now, but there's still a lot of similarities there.[/quote]

It's a whole different style of adolescent rebellion.

"Kyle Run the ball."

"No."

"Kyle"

"I don't want to"

"Kyle you can pass later."

"But I want to pass now."

"Kyle, Kyle, don't you dare call a pass play young man. Give me that playbook."

"No! Daddddddddd....I HATE YOU"

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[quote=Longtimefan;802557]The presumed Redskins starting QB said he loves to get hit while throwing. This is what he was talking about.”

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/john-beck-getting-whacked-in-the-chin-and-completing-a-pass/2011/05/12/AFr6Ky0G_blog.html]John Beck getting whacked in the chin and completing a pass - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]
Maybe it can translate into him being a Kurt Warner-lite.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;802564]Maybe it can translate into him being a Kurt Warner-lite.[/quote]

F that. when Beck's done here people will be calling Kurt Warner "John Beck lite."

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LMFAO at the fact that more people chose Alex Smith over VY.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;802569]LMFAO at the fact that more people chose Alex Smith over VY.[/quote]

Why does that get a LMFAO? They're both high draft picks with tools and untapped potential. Sure Young is a "winner" but Smith could have easily been a winner against non-playoff teams in Tenneesee to. Young's career passer rating is 75.6 while Smith is 72.1. LMFAO is picking Leaf over Manning.

Also FWIW I choose Vince Young.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802570]Why does that get a LMFAO? They're both high draft picks with tools and untapped potential. Sure Young is a "winner" but Smith could have easily been a winner against non-playoff teams in Tenneesee to. Young's career passer rating is 75.6 while Smith is 72.1. [B]LMFAO is picking Leaf over Manning.[/B]

Also FWIW I choose Vince Young.[/quote]

Hey, that's not fair. Leaf is much better than Manning. He just was not given a chance. Plus he was ruined by Spurrier.

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[quote=Mattyk;802556]You don't grow up with Mike Shanahan as your Dad and not come away influenced by him.[/quote]
My dad is a Cowboys fan and I'm a Redskins fan.
Sometimes the apples falls on the opposite side of the tree.
Kyle Pass-Run ratio [I]both[/I] here [I]and[/I] in Houston 60-40.
Mike's career Pass-Run ratio 50-50.

UDFA QBs-
Jerrod Johnson
Does Potts have any arm strength? If so then him too.

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[quote=30gut;802572]My dad is a Cowboys fan and I'm a Redskins fan.
Sometimes the apples falls on the opposite side of the tree.
Kyle Pass-Run ratio [I]both[/I] here [I]and[/I] in Houston 60-40.
Mike's career Pass-Run ratio 50-50.

UDFA QBs-
Jerrod Johnson
Does Potts have any arm strength? If so then him too.[/quote]

Lets get Josh Portis. Guy won the Heisman for me back in the day during NCAA 08.

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[quote=Lotus;802571]Hey, that's not fair. Leaf is much better than Manning. He just was not given a chance. Plus he was [SIZE=3][B]ruined by Spurrier[/B][/SIZE].[/quote]

Hmmm....I thought he was ruined by Gibbs. Told him he was the starter and then...snatched the rug out from under him?

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In Soviet Russia Leaf ruin Spurrier.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802568]F that. when Beck's done here people will be calling Kurt Warner "John Beck lite."[/quote]

He's gotta lead the #1 passing attack the league and win the Super Bowl like...this season. ;)

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Steve Spurrier doesnt know his crotch from a cranberry.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;802577]He's gotta lead the #1 passing attack the league and win the [B]Super Bowl like...this season.[/B] ;)[/quote]

Not 1, Not 2, Not 3, Not 4, Not 5, Not 6, Not 7
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I can see the headlines now.
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10484]John Beck becomes first QB to win 2 Super Bowls in 1 season - ESPN[/url]


[quote=Alvin Walton;802578]Steve Spurrier doesnt know his crotch from a cranberry.[/quote]

Thats because Steve Spurrier transcends existence. He has no need to learn of crotches and cranberries.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/12/report-mcnabb-refused-to-wear-a-wristband-with-plays/]Report: McNabb refused to wear a wristband with plays | ProFootballTalk[/url]

The second part of the story:

[quote] ""So they're having this power lunch, power dinner at the Super Bowl with Fletcher Smith (McNabb's agent), Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan and Dan Snyder. At some point, this topic comes up," he said.

"At that point, when Snyder heard that, Snyder apparently went ballistic and said, 'Are you effing kidding me?' Why did I hire you as the head coach? I'm paying you $7 million a year to be the head coach, and you can't get your guy to wear a wristband? Are you serious? If he's on the team next year, you're making him wear the wristband," he said.

Bishop said Shanahan and Snyder then began arguing, and Smith and Allen "didn't know what to do." Again, take this for what you will, but the whole thing is so Redskins if you think about it. [unquote]

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[quote=Longtimefan;802582][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/12/report-mcnabb-refused-to-wear-a-wristband-with-plays/]Report: McNabb refused to wear a wristband with plays | ProFootballTalk[/url]

The second part of the story:

[quote] ""So they're having this power lunch, power dinner at the Super Bowl with Fletcher Smith (McNabb's agent), Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan and Dan Snyder. At some point, this topic comes up," he said.

"At that point, when Snyder heard that, Snyder apparently went ballistic and said, 'Are you effing kidding me?' Why did I hire you as the head coach? I'm paying you $7 million a year to be the head coach, and you can't get your guy to wear a wristband? Are you serious? If he's on the team next year, you're making him wear the wristband," he said.

Bishop said Shanahan and Snyder then began arguing, and Smith and Allen "didn't know what to do." Again, take this for what you will, but the whole thing is so Redskins if you think about it. [/quote][/quote]


I don't believe it, and Snyder better hope the rest of the fan base doesn't believe it because if Danny boy starts trying to take things back to the way they were in 08 and 09 he will have hell to pay.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;802569]LMFAO at the fact that more people chose Alex Smith over VY.[/quote]

LMFAO that anyone thinks VY is worth 2 shats, and ROFLMAO at people who think he's our solution. I didn't want McNabb for many reasons, but McNabb in his old age is still 8 times better then VY both as a player and as a leader. In comparison "character" is everything.

If given a choice I'll take my chances with a second year McNabb knowing more of the plays over VY any day.

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I'm staying out of this discussion because my opinion of the Junkies is basically the equivalent of what many people here think of Snyder. And I know the Junkies and have worked with them.

However, I have heard from multiple people similar McNabb stories (I will say sometimes he strikes me as kind of "Darrell Green"-ish; enough people here know what I'm talking about)

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802584]I don't believe it, and Snyder better hope the rest of the fan base doesn't believe it because if Danny boy starts trying to take things back to the way they were in 08 and 09 he will have hell to pay.[/quote]


According to a insider, he says the bit about Snyder is indeed false. He did however have this to say about McNabb. Maybe Smoot could verify this. (edit: seems he was posting as I wrote this)


[quote]DG, unfortunately this information/ leak is 1000000% true. I had heard during the season after the Detroit game this occurred and Mcnabb refused. Kyle and Mike then put Grossman on notice that there could be a situation where he would play against Detroit and as we all know that situation occurred . This situation has been backed up by many sources from various people as well. Players privately complained about mcnabb and how he was performing his duties ( huddle, calling plays right, tempo to the line ect) . Relationship soured quickly and mcnabbs fate was determined very early on his time as a skin. [/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802584]I don't believe it, and Snyder better hope the rest of the fan base doesn't believe it because if Danny boy starts trying to take things back to the way they were in 08 and 09 he will have hell to pay.[/quote]

I didn't make it up DB.....I actually found it in print.

[url=http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/5/12/2167877/donovan-mcnabb-mike-shanahan-dan-snyder]Donovan McNabb Refused To Wear Wristband To Help Him Remember Plays, According To Report - Half Smokes - SB Nation DC[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802584]I don't believe it, and Snyder better hope the rest of the fan base doesn't believe it because if Danny boy starts trying to take things back to the way they were in 08 and 09 he will have hell to pay.[/quote]

I believe it 100%. Now the big question is was MS chastised or was it a show for the agent so the agent can go back to McNabb and say "I know you thought it a joke that they wanted you to wear the wrist band, but I just witnessed DS yell at MS instructing him that if your going to stay with the team MS better have you wearing the effing wrist band."

"McNabb.... I think we need to look for another team if you won't wear it."


Lol, what did McNabb say to the public recently? It's all up to MS if he comes back? Lol.