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[quote=12thMan;824088]It's simply amazing that if you listen to the right wing noise machine and "polls" beating Obama in 2012 is a slam dunk, but no one wants to go against the guy.

FWIW, Christie is already denying reports that he's conducting focus groups and isn't interested in running.[/quote]

Apparently the formula is so very simple...all you need in the equation is "Obama = Weak." It is as elegant as e = mc^2 though it must be pointed out that weak is relative much like time.

If Paul Ryan jumps in he probably will be an instant front-runner and severely diminish the chances of Romney and Perry. He is a slick numbers talker and he doesn't say outlandish crap the public can easily comprehend and research.

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Paul Ryan would get annihilated in a general election.

Republicans have to do real real well with conservative leaning seniors to even have a shot at winning and his Medicare Plan is beyond unpopular.

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I also don't think any of the current candidates can beat Obama no matter how bad the economy remains.

That's how pathetic this Republican field is.

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Paul Ryan is a ****ing idiot that is trying to peddle the "Trickle Down Theory"

Yeah, this guy isn't going to give the rich yet more tax breaks while the middle poor class slip even further into oblivion. :rolleyes:


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Corporate toadies like this need to be tarred and feathered and kicked in the ass.

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[quote=wilsowilso;824115]I also don't think any of the current candidates can beat Obama no matter how bad the economy remains.

That's how pathetic this Republican field is.[/quote]

Their best bet is Ron Paul and yet he gets shit on. The guy wants to cut military spending, bring our troops home while fixing our deficit and they want to put some jerk-off who wants to go to war with Iran on the pedestal?

I guess Ron Paul doesn't have the "look" to be nominated or elected President. They say people vote for the people they can align themselves with, which telling of how many idiots America really has. Because many are willing to vote for Bachmann and Palin. :doh:

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Funny if your health ins was like Medicare everyone would be bitching up and down. How many of you have to currently buy additional health ins. to cover all the shit your health ins does not cover? I'm guessing none but no one has a problem paying for medicare all their life then when they need need the ins it covers so little they need to spend $500 a month for additional coverage. Thats f*&^ing pathetic if you ask me.

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[quote=NC_Skins;824129]Their best bet is Ron Paul and yet he gets shit on. [B]The guy wants to cut military spending, bring our troops home while[/B] fixing our deficit and they want to put some jerk-off who wants to go to war with Iran on the pedestal?

I guess Ron Paul doesn't have the "look" to be nominated or elected President. They say people vote for the people they can align themselves with, which telling of how many idiots America really has. Because many are willing to vote for Bachmann and Palin. :doh:[/quote]

Why does that need to be done Obama said he was going to do all of those things. Oh, he lied. Again. Please show who is running for office that wants to go to war with Iran because I have no clue who you are talking about.

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Not one candidate can or will bring the troops home any faster than the current timetable. End of the year for the remaining Iraq troops and a draw down in Afghanistan through next year.

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Ron Paul’s new ad. He’s burning some bridges but he obviously has the right to be pissed off and so do his supporters. He got kicked out of debates and straw polls in 2008 because he doesn’t fit the status quo and was attracting too much attention, and things are on pace for the same to happen this go around. Honestly it says a lot about our media and the republican party to treat him and his supporters the way they do.

Rolling out with this ad says a lot to me. Supposedly the Republicans cant win the presidency with him so they just completely ignore him. But I would say they have better odds of winning with him then trying to win if forced to go against him if he jumps on a third party ticket. Im wondering if hes trying to set the tone that hes not willing to sit back and be a nice guy this time around like he did in 2008. At his age I don’t think hes going to accomplish much more in his political career and he may be best to go out making a strong statement; like taking the presidency away from Bachmann, Romney, Perry or whoever else gets the nomination by running on a third party ticket. I think the republicans have to walk a thin line and try to keep one of the most principled of politicians happy.

As of right now I think Ron Paul running (one way or another) is sadens best chance to win a 100 dollars, and of course use it to take a republican friend out to dinner……
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk0bFHanY-0]Ron Paul'S OFFICIAL 2nd Ad of The Campaign-- THE ONE - YouTube[/ame]

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Awww, i don't see a bit about slipping pork into a bill and voting against it in the ad.

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[quote=saden1;824179]Awww, i don't see a bit about slipping pork into a bill and voting against it in the ad.[/quote]


Searched "Ron Paul earmarks" and found this. He actually has damn good reasoning

[url=http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-10/ron-paul-slams-cavuto-on-earmarks/]Ron Paul Slams Cavuto on Earmarks[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;824135]Funny if your health ins was like Medicare everyone would be bitching up and down. How many of you have to currently buy additional health ins. to cover all the shit your health ins does not cover? I'm guessing none but no one has a problem paying for medicare all their life then when they need need the ins it covers so little they need to spend $500 a month for additional coverage. Thats f*&^ing pathetic if you ask me.[/quote]
it is. and because it directly effects your bottom line, you scream every chance you get. but when Obama try to fix this, you hated it, because it wasnt your answer to the problem. sorry to say, but health care is way in the back of the list, when it comes to this countries problems.

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[quote=dmek25;824268]it is. and because it directly effects your bottom line, you scream every chance you get. but when Obama try to fix this, you hated it, because it wasnt your answer to the problem. sorry to say, but health care is way in the back of the list, when it comes to this countries problems.[/quote]

You don't here me bitching about health ins prices.

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[quote=mlmpetert;824187]Searched "Ron Paul earmarks" and found this. He actually has damn good reasoning

[url=http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-10/ron-paul-slams-cavuto-on-earmarks/]Ron Paul Slams Cavuto on Earmarks[/url][/quote]


It's a contrive and insufficient explanation. It would be preferable if he simply didn't add any earmarks or add them and vote for the bill.

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[URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027609/Rick-Perry-slammed-questioning-evolution-campaign-chat-elementary-school-child.html#ixzz1VPeTDSxS"]Rick Perry:[/URL] "Evolution is a theory that's out there," Perry said while crouching down to speak to the boy. "It's got some gaps in it."

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[quote=RedskinRat;824559][URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027609/Rick-Perry-slammed-questioning-evolution-campaign-chat-elementary-school-child.html#ixzz1VPeTDSxS"]Rick Perry:[/URL] "Evolution is a theory that's out there," Perry said while crouching down to speak to the boy. "It's got some gaps in it."

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lol like there's not any holes in what he believes in...

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[quote=Mattyk;824580]lol like there's not any holes in what he believes in...

palm meet face[/quote]

I always [I][B]HEART[/B][/I] when someone misuses the term '[I]theory[/I]' like it's interchangeable with '[I]wild guess[/I]'.

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I remember when Palin was selected as the VP running mate and some of the Republicans on this board were convinced with that selection they were the front runners for the oval office.

The moment Palin was selected there was no just chance in a general election.

The same truth holds true for Bachman and Perry.

They are FAR FAR FAR to right of center. And Bachman is just a straight up lunatic. So that also hurts her chances.

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[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]I love the quote about his dad [/FONT][FONT=Wingdings]J[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Technically, Perry’s first job as an adult was selling encyclopedias and bibles door-to-door over the summer of the early 70s, while still studying in A&M. He would recount later, [I]“There is nothing that tests your commitment to a goal like getting a few doors closed in your face”[/I].

Perry enlisted with the United States Air Force after graduating in 1972, rising to the rank of Captain in a five-year career. During his time with the Air Force, he flew the [/FONT][FONT=Arial]military[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri] transport aircraft C-130 to far-flung corners of the world, including the hotspots of Central America, North Africa and Europe.

Soon after leaving the Air Force, Perry was accepted to join Southwest Airlines’ pilot-training program. However, he changed his mind and [/FONT][FONT=Arial]returned[/FONT][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][FONT=Arial]home to work[/FONT][FONT=Calibri] in the farm following a conversation with his father.

[I]“Dad still thought I was there to do chores. I reminded him that I had just finished commanding a multimillion-dollar piece of government equipment and a number of grown men. He reminded me that the chores still needed tending to."[/I][/FONT][/SIZE]

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[quote=wilsowilso;824591]I remember when Palin was selected as the VP running mate and some of the Republicans on this board were convinced with that selection they were the front runners for the oval office.

The moment Palin was selected there was no just chance in a general election.

The same truth holds true for Bachman and Perry.

They are FAR FAR FAR to right of center. And Bachman is just a straight up lunatic. So that also hurts her chances.[/quote]

Not everyone lives in Los Aangeles. People on this site also said the Rep. right was done after Obama was elected and we saw what happened in the last elections.

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[quote=firstdown;824602]Not everyone lives in Los Aangeles. People on this site also said the Rep. right was done after Obama was elected and we saw what happened in the last elections.[/quote]

The clock is ticking on the Republican party as it stands today.

It's called demographics.

Just a matter of time. One or two more decades at the most.

Tick. Tock.

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Saw that Michele Bachmann is claiming that she would bring back $2.00 gasoline and pointed out that gas was $1.79 when Obama took office and is close to $4.00 right now.

[url=http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2]Bachmann: I'll bring back $2 gas - Aug. 18, 2011[/url]

I don't think she understands how supply and demand works

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[quote=firstdown;824138]Why does that need to be done Obama said he was going to do all of those things. Oh, he lied. Again. Please show who is running for office that wants to go to war with Iran because I have no clue who you are talking about.[/quote]

you're kidding right -- just because no one has said it doesn't mean that neocons like Bachmann, Perry, Cain etc. wouldn't go to war with Iran if they could. Cain has straight up said that he wouldn't have a Muslim in his cabinet. If you don't think those three are racist you are deluding yourself.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824608]Cain has straight up said that he wouldn't have a Muslim in his cabinet. If you don't think those three are racist you are deluding yourself.[/quote]

Which 'race' is muslim?

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Where did I explicitly say Islam was a race? would you like me to clarify and say that Cain is a religious bigot?

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I didn't realize Bachmann, Perry, and Cain were the same person. Cain's thoughts don't speak for all the candidates

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[quote=SmootSmack;824619]I didn't realize Bachmann, Perry, and Cain were the same person. Cain's thoughts don't speak for all the candidates[/quote]

Well, if you're right of center then you simply must be insane and unelectable so they may as well all be the same.

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Haha, wow didn't know I'd stir up all this trouble -- I'm actually a big supporter of Ron Paul and I think that some of his ideas (not all) are really good. But, you're right if I have a problem against this woman:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4hYkfwuTY]Bachmann: "Not All Cultures Are Equal" - YouTube[/url]
then I think anyone right of center is a crazy, unelectable neocon.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;824620]Well, if you're right of center then you simply must be insane and unelectable so they may as well all be the same.[/quote]

That's Far Far Far right of center. Just to be clear.

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Paul and Johnson are the only ones that offer a platform that is fundamentally different from what we are getting now under Obama, and what we got with Bush and any other post JFK president. Sadly, they are being all but ignored by the main stream media. Johnson is virtually dead already, and Paul, who finished well ahead of Romney in the Iowa straw poll isn't even considered a contender!!! The elites just want another corporate hack, a puppet on the string that will give them more tax cuts, more war, and more power.

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Perry is the media darling, just like Palin was for a long time. Unless we do expereince a total economic collapse before Nov 2012, Obama is going to be reelected if Perry, ROmney, or Bachmann, is made the GOP nominee. THey just don't offer anything different, and scare the crap out of Dems, most indies, and even a lot of Reps. That isn't a recipe for victory. Perry likes to say he craeted a lot of jobs in TX, but they were Walmart type jobs. Oh boy, I can pay off my college loans working for Walmart or buy a new car!!!!!

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824605]Saw that Michele Bachmann is claiming that she would bring back $2.00 gasoline and pointed out that gas was $1.79 when Obama took office and is close to $4.00 right now.

[URL="http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2"]Bachmann: I'll bring back $2 gas - Aug. 18, 2011[/URL]

I don't think she understands how supply and demand works[/quote]


Nope, she understands she is increasingly becoming irrelevant and has to say crazy shit to get media attention. The chic has no depth, no real ideas that sets her apart from the other frontrunners. On top of that the GOP needs only one candidate to appeal to the evangelicals.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824616]Where did I explicitly say Islam was a race? would you like me to clarify and say that Cain is a religious bigot?[/quote]

[U][B]Yes[/B][/U], I want you to be [U][B]explicit[/B][/U] because otherwise we see a devaluing of the term 'racist'.

I will agree that there are many candidates that are religiously bigoted, but that's different from being racially bigoted. You [U][B]chose[/B][/U] your religion, you [B][U]don't chose[/U][/B] your race. It's utterly abhorrent for people to claim racism when it nothing of the sort, usually a ploy of hysterical liberals.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824621]Haha, wow didn't know I'd stir up all this trouble -- I'm actually a big supporter of Ron Paul and I think that some of his ideas (not all) are really good. But, you're right if I have a problem against this woman:
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4hYkfwuTY"]Bachmann: "Not All Cultures Are Equal" - YouTube[/URL]
then I think anyone right of center is a crazy, unelectable neocon.[/quote]MB has said some wacky stuff.....however, what in that video is inaccurate? If you think the culture of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under the Taliban, or any other Sharia law country is the same as the US or mainstream Europe than I suggest you visit (or even research in detail) one of those places and see how religious minorities and women are treated.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824605]Saw that Michele Bachmann is claiming that she would bring back $2.00 gasoline and pointed out that gas was $1.79 when Obama took office and is close to $4.00 right now.

[URL="http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2"]Bachmann: I'll bring back $2 gas - Aug. 18, 2011[/URL]

I don't think she understands how supply and demand works[/quote]

I'd like to know who was selling $1.79 gas in 2008.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;824630]Perry is the media darling, just like Palin was for a long time. [B]Unless we do expereince a total economic collapse before Nov 2012[/B],[/quote]You live in the Detroit area, how much worse does it need to get. Obama and the Dems need to hope and pray for a MAJOR economic recovery before Nov 2012 or they're done. Rs could very easily gain control of WH, House, Senate. Elections aren't decided by folks entrenched in their positions (like most of us). They're decided by independents and folks in the center, and Independents are breaking against Obama now, where they were breaking his way in 2008. Most folks don't get down into the "nuts & bolts" of how gov't works. They just know times are tough and Obama is the President.

[quote]Perry likes to say he craeted a lot of jobs in TX, but they were Walmart type jobs. Oh boy, I can pay off my college loans working for Walmart or buy a new car!!!!![/quote][URL="http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590"]Rick Perry And Texas Job Numbers « Political Math[/URL]

You may want to check your facts on that: "Since the recession started hourly wages in Texas have increased at a 6th fastest pace in the nation."

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Sammy, you really think you guys will control all three branches? I'm falling out of my chair laughing. Seriously. I'd be surprised if Dems didn't cut your Tea Party majority in half, if not outright win back the House back. All we need is 24 seats. Voter turnout during a general will be significantly different next time around. It's over for the Tea Party.

The Senate could be a toss-up, but don't expect any blowouts. Democrats will definitely put Mass. and Wisconsin in play. I think we'll win both of those races. And if you think Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann will be running the country next November, I have a bridge in Anacostia I'd like to sell you.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;824630]Perry is the media darling, just like Palin was for a long time. Unless we do expereince a total economic collapse before Nov 2012, Obama is going to be reelected if Perry, ROmney, or Bachmann, is made the GOP nominee. THey just don't offer anything different, and scare the crap out of Dems, most indies, and even a lot of Reps. That isn't a recipe for victory. Perry likes to say he craeted a lot of jobs in TX, but they were Walmart type jobs. Oh boy, I can pay off my college loans working for Walmart or buy a new car!!!!![/quote]

Obama says he wants to create jobs and spent 800 billion and failed. Walmart jobs are better then no job at all.

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[quote=Mattyk;824747]I'd like to know who was selling $1.79 gas in 2008.[/quote]
[url=http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx]Gas Price Historical Price Charts - GasBuddy.com[/url]

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Must have missed that day, I haven't seen gas prices that low in forever around me.