Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=12thMan;851432]Hankerson's on Twitter [/quote]

Thats all I read before I realized that this wasn't going to end well.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=The Goat;851669]I think Beck did well considering circumstances...and by circumstances I mostly mean play-calling, dropped passes, some poor route running and a generally underwhelming WR corp. In the 1st half Kyle called a good deal of running plays, which was smart. It got the o-line rolling and Hightower was racking up the yards. The sporadic pass plays didn't give Beck an opportunity to get into rhythm, and since it was his first pro start since 2007 I'm sure he'll need to feel in a rhythm for awhile at least to be effective.

In the 2nd half [B]Kyle went away from the run, [/B]which helped Beck out and showed everyone the guy is capable of managing the game and minimizing mistakes and turnovers (compared to Rex) but I think Kyle had the wrong strategy. [B]We should have run the effing ball down their throat [/B]and controlled the clock i.e. slowed the game down. It's sort of gotten ridiculous how little opportunity Helu gets.

So yeah my impression is Beck will be good enough to win once he gets comfortable and [B]if we start pounding the rock. [/B] I don't trust Kyle to do this. I'm wishing more than anything Mike would take over the offense at this point. It's stupid to say Kyle would have more success if we had the right personnel to fit his scheme, because we don't. We don't have a top tier WR and QB, let along one of either. [B]Pound the rock and stop effing around.[/B]

And obviously the defense needs to show up for Beck's performance to matter at all.[/quote]

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

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[quote=Beemnseven;851681]I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.[/quote]

I totally agree. This team has an O line that is barely servicable and with Hightower out no real threat at RB. There was an interesting artice in today's WP where Carolina's D was saying they pretty much knew what plays the Redskins were going to run (and calling them out at the line) because they saw on film how limited the Skins are in what they can do on O. I think Kyle's system works fine as he showed in Houston but unfortunately he doesnt have nearly enough talent to run the system how he wants.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=Beemnseven;851681]I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.[/quote]

Agreed. We need to pound the rock, but it shouldn't be run, run, pass every...stinking...drive. Seriously, Kyle might as well flip a coin before calling a play. If heads = run, if tails=pass. (Toss a coin 100 times and record the data. There [I]will[/I] be streaks of consective heads and consecutive tails)

It'll give a better mix than just calling the plays willy-nilly.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

Overall, I thought Beck did very well for his first start since 2007.

Started out a little rocky with the fumble and the one pass he through right into the LB's chest but was luckily dropped, but he settled down and moved the offense efficiently despite not having Cooley, Moss, Hightower and a couple of good offensive linemen. The main thing that was obvious is his mobility (2 rushing TDs already) and how he uses that mobility to give himself more time to throw. He makes smart throws most of the time and is very accurate. Beck is a big upgrade over Grossman and it's not even debatable. He's smarter on the field, he's more accurate, more mobile and can move the offense in a smart way, rather than the all-or-nothing way that Rex runs the team.

He'll get better every week. Remember, he's still basically a rookie, possibly could consider him a second-year player. He's had 5 starts. I'm looking forward to watching him all year. When he gets some weapons and Trent Williams back around him, we should be able to make these FGs into TDs.

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I like that he has made those two TDs, they both likely would have been FG attempts if it weren't for his mobility. Time will tell, and I still worry about his fumbling, but he seems to be a better fit for the offense. I hope it shows up in the W column soon.

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There's no way you can be MORE worried about Beck's fumbling than Grossman's! :D

With a game on the line, I'll take John over Rex every time. We've watched Rex choke over and over.

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For a guy who went 4 years between starts, I thought Beck was ok. He seemed to get more comfortable as the game went on. Obviously though, his performance wasn't the story of the day.

The D's inability to stop anyone the last 2 weeks is a big concern.

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[quote=Beemnseven;851681]I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. [B]What we lack are the playmakers.[/B][/quote]

:laughing- Oh Lord have mercy. Children, children! No no, you've got it all wrong. Don't you see, children? You have the heart, but you don't have the soul. Nono, wait. You have the soul, but you don't have the heart. Nono, scratch that. You have the heart and the soul, but you don't have the talent.

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[quote=12thMan;851432]Hankerson's on Twitter bitching and moaning about the INT. Saying people should stop blaming him if they weren't in the huddle. I'm like, dude save it.

Anywho, after he settled down Beck had a solid game. Hopefully he get's more comfortable in the system and finds his grove.

But I counted at least three or four plays where Rex would have either taken a sack or thrown an int. The guy has some nice wheels.[/quote]

Now we are predicting that Rex would have done worse. Wow. honestly folks. Beck didn't do any better then Grossman. 2 turnovers and it could have been 3.

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[quote=SBXVII;851823]Now we are predicting that Rex would have done worse. Wow. honestly folks. Beck didn't do any better then Grossman. 2 turnovers and it could have been 3.[/quote]

He did do better

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[quote=Bucket;851831]He did do better[/quote]

Better than which Rex?

1) Beck against Carolina was NOT better than Rex against the Giants.

or

2) Beck against Carolina was better than Rex against Philly.

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[quote=mooby;851803]:laughing- Oh Lord have mercy. Children, children! No no, you've got it all wrong. Don't you see, children? You have the heart, but you don't have the soul. Nono, wait. You have the soul, but you don't have the heart. Nono, scratch that. You have the heart and the soul, but you don't have the talent.[/quote]

Umm, elaborate please? Are you telling me there are playmakers all over this roster?

And what about the larger point that I made? That "pounding the rock" 55 times a game won't solve all our problems on offense?

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[quote=Beemnseven;851835]Umm, elaborate please? Are you telling me there are playmakers all over this roster?

And what about the larger point that I made? That "pounding the rock" 55 times a game won't solve all our problems on offense?[/quote]

You need to watch more South Park

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[quote=Lotus;851833]Better than which Rex?

1) Beck against Carolina was NOT better than Rex against the Giants.

or

2) Beck against Carolina was better than Rex against Philly.[/quote]

Both.. Beck is our savior. Don't deny it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;851838]You need to watch more South Park[/quote]

Yeah, apparently so.

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[quote=SmootSmack;851838]You need to watch more South Park[/quote]

Thank you for elaborating on my behalf.

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[quote=SmootSmack;851838]You need to watch more South Park[/quote]

Was there a pee wee football episode? I know there was one for pee wee hockey.

[YT]rnqQhUdXgvI[/YT]

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[quote=Lotus;851833]Better than which Rex?

1) Beck against Carolina was NOT better than Rex against the Giants.

or

2) Beck against Carolina was better than Rex against Philly.[/quote]

Beck vs Carolina > Grossman vs. Cowboys, Eagles, Rams

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[quote=mooby;851985]Thank you for elaborating on my behalf.[/quote]

Let's see you dance! You got F'd in the A

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[quote=The Goat;851669]I think Beck did well considering circumstances...and by circumstances I mostly mean play-calling, dropped passes, some poor route running and a generally underwhelming WR corp. In the 1st half Kyle called a good deal of running plays, which was smart. It got the o-line rolling and Hightower was racking up the yards. The sporadic pass plays didn't give Beck an opportunity to get into rhythm, and since it was his first pro start since 2007 I'm sure he'll need to feel in a rhythm for awhile at least to be effective.

In the 2nd half Kyle went away from the run, which helped Beck out and showed everyone the guy is capable of managing the game and minimizing mistakes and turnovers (compared to Rex) but I think Kyle had the wrong strategy. We should have run the effing ball down their throat and controlled the clock i.e. slowed the game down. It's sort of gotten ridiculous how little opportunity Helu gets.

So yeah my impression is Beck will be good enough to win once he gets comfortable and if we start pounding the rock. I don't trust Kyle to do this. I'm wishing more than anything Mike would take over the offense at this point. It's stupid to say Kyle would have more success if we had the right personnel to fit his scheme, because we don't. We don't have a top tier WR and QB, let along one of either. Pound the rock and stop effing around.

And obviously the defense needs to show up for Beck's performance to matter at all.[/quote]

Totally agree 100%. The good news is Beck has a lot of room for improvement which Grossman does not have because he's all tapped out imporvement wise. I saw a few things he could improve on like well when in the pocket and throwing the ball he needs to plant his feet so the ball won't get under thrown and almost intercepted. Another thing he could work on is making sure he and his WR are on the same page and not to throw the ball at the opponant for an interception. Oh yea, I remember one thing he did that clearly he can fix and as we all know Grossman could not and thats to not intentionally ground the ball and if he has to he should throw it at his RB's feet. I noticed he really didn't fool the defense with some of the play action roll outs, he should learn to sell that puppy better. He could stand to work on a signiture move for when he makes a TD, you know all the great QB's have one....... Newton kinda acted like he was pulling his shirt open like he was Superman. Aaron Rodgers likes to act like he's showing off his belt. Beck had nothing. and umm, oh I almost forgot..... he could probably stand to work on ball control cause it's two weeks in a row he managed to fumble it. Definitly something for him to work on.

As you said it was totally nice to see Beck play and he's definitly no Rex. That I'm glad of.

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[quote=SmootSmack;852029]Let's see you dance! You got F'd in the A[/quote]

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That's one of my favorite clips right there.

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[quote=Beemnseven;851681]I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.[/quote]

It looks as though we only run 4 or 5 different rushing plays and mostly variations of the stretch, almost never between the tackles. I think every commentator has said the same but it should be obvious nonetheless.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=The Goat;849960]I too am becoming a Homer for Beck. It would be a great story!!!![/quote]

Beck has the arm to be real good. If he will not stare down his receivers then he can be good. Real good.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

My hope for Sunday (vs the Bills) is a change in Kyle's scheme so the game isn't on Beck's shoulders. Pound the rock mercilessly both inside the tackles and around the ends until the defense tires. If we commit to the run and tell the o-line the game is on their shoulders we will control the clock and then open up passing lanes, play-action opportunities especially.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;852778]Beck has the arm to be real good. If he will not stare down his receivers then he can be good. Real good.[/quote]

i respectfully disagree. i think beck has a horrid arm.

he cant wing the ball deep down field to stretch the D which I think on PA and rollouts is supposed to be a staple of this offense to compliment and be set up by running the ball religously.

on the short to intermediate routes he sometimes seems to throw a duck or inaccurate ball but sometimes he throws an accurate ball. but on those short to intermediate routes i would like a QB with limited arm strength to excel at the short stuff. he avg on short/intermediate stuff and well below avg on long balls over the top.

i also dont think he can throw/drive the ball on an out route or any route where the flight path of the ball isnt pretty much vertical.

i also dont see where beck has the ability to improve. his arm is what it is. personally i think he has small hands and has a lil trouble getting a good grip on the ball.

it just comes down to kyle calling the right plays at the right times with the understanding of what beck can and cant do. then beck needs to make the throws he should be able to make . .then maybe if we are running the ball well and our D is doing decent, we have a chance to win.

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[quote=The Goat;852824]My hope for Sunday (vs the Bills) is a change in Kyle's scheme so the game isn't on Beck's shoulders. Pound the rock mercilessly both inside the tackles and around the ends until the defense tires. If we commit to the run and tell the o-line the game is on their shoulders we will control the clock and then open up passing lanes, play-action opportunities especially.[/quote]

Aren't the Bills somewhat weak against the pass? Or am I mistaken

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[quote=SmootSmack;852961]Aren't the Bills somewhat weak against the pass? Or am I mistaken[/quote]

As long as we don't toss a few pick 6s, we're golden. Statistically, they're giving up a TON of yards on [B]both[/B] the run and the pass. They are giving up 24.5 points a game as well.

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i guess ill post this here.

with rex not practicing (still got the "flu"?), what happens if beck gets injured. Who is our 3rd string guy? has he been reinstated on our 53 man yet? is he taking snaps with the 2nd team?

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Rex is out of the hospital and appears to be ok now. He should be the backup. Doubt Crompton gets called up. Push comes to shove Austin is the emergency QB

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Can't help but wonder where Beck would be if he was named starter at the beginning of the season but, something is telling me that he'd be benched just like Grossman at the same point.

Prove me wrong Beck.

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[quote=SmootSmack;852961]Aren't the Bills somewhat weak against the pass? Or am I mistaken[/quote]

Bills look weak against run and pass, and that was before Kyle Wilson was injured. I just think anything to help ease the pressure on Beck is a good idea. Sounds like he puts a ton of pressure on himself, then to add the Kyle and Mike dynamic shit I wouldn't wanna be in his shoes.

...so yeah I still say pound the rock. Not sure who should start but it probably doesn't matter. See which RB gets in a rhythm and is having the better day and then give em the pigskin 25 times.

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We will beat buffalo these are the Redskins, always win games we not supposed to win and lose games we are supposed to win.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;853220]We will beat buffalo these are the Redskins, always win games we not supposed to win and lose games we are supposed to win.[/quote]

i kinda feel the same way. i just think the bills and gailey will stay patient and go with a conservative game plan thinking after 60 mins the more talented team (bills) will be ahead on the scoreboard.

i also feel like OTM is running the warpath this morning. woot woot, a bunch of sleeping in members we got on here. yall are probably a bunch of alcoholics who are hung over. sad sacks.

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[quote=over the mountain;853272]i kinda feel the same way. i just think the bills and gailey will stay patient and go with a conservative game plan thinking after 60 mins the more talented team (bills) will be ahead on the scoreboard.

i also feel like OTM is running the warpath this morning. woot woot, a bunch of sleeping in members we got on here. yall are probably a bunch of alcoholics who are hung over. sad sacks.[/quote]

There are Monday morning quarterbacks. You are our Sunday morning moderator. :)

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=over the mountain;852943]i respectfully disagree. i think beck has a horrid arm.

he cant wing the ball deep down field to stretch the D which I think on PA and rollouts is supposed to be a staple of this offense to compliment and be set up by running the ball religously.

on the short to intermediate routes he sometimes seems to throw a duck or inaccurate ball but sometimes he throws an accurate ball. but on those short to intermediate routes i would like a QB with limited arm strength to excel at the short stuff. he avg on short/intermediate stuff and well below avg on long balls over the top.

i also dont think he can throw/drive the ball on an out route or any route where the flight path of the ball isnt pretty much vertical.

i also dont see where beck has the ability to improve. his arm is what it is. personally i think he has small hands and has a lil trouble getting a good grip on the ball.

it just comes down to kyle calling the right plays at the right times with the understanding of what beck can and cant do. then beck needs to make the throws he should be able to make . .then maybe if we are running the ball well and our D is doing decent, we have a chance to win.[/quote]

Well I appreciate your opinion. I was judging from the Carolina game and it looked good enough to make the throws with some zip but I suppose I need to see some more of him to be totally sold on his arm as strong and maybe you're right.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;853220]We will beat buffalo these are the Redskins, always win games we not supposed to win and lose games we are supposed to win.[/quote]

Not anymore looks like now the Skins are just going to lose them all.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

I wonder if we will see Rex back behind center before too long.

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John Beck is a back up. While he's receives the endorsement of Mike Shanahan, we know that he is not the long term solution at QB. He does throw the ball well. He does have the ability to scramble. But yesterday I he held the ball for too long. Even on a blitz a quarterback should be able to get the ball to a receiver in one on one coverage instead of being swallowed up by defensive rushers.


While Beck did make some good reads yesterday, he looked like a pop warner QB to me. Because of the inconsistency at QB so far this year, unless the Redskins can get it together at this position, which is the most important on the field, Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be looking at the Landry Jones, Andrew Lucks, and Matt Barkleys of the world to draft in April.

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[quote=firstdown;854219]I wonder if we will see Rex back behind center before too long.[/quote]

If Beck screws the pooch again next week I'll bet we see Grossman vs. Miami.

Oh lord help me if we lose to the puke Dolphins..........