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Only 1 million??...lol Hell the coach here at ECU makes that. That school profits (yes..profits) 50 million a year on Penn State football.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857909]Here is something to think about. You ever think that Penn State pulls all images or names of Joe Paterno from the campus if its shown he really was involved heavily in the coverup?[/quote]

Ive heard rumors already of taking his statue down, maybe as a symbolic gesture. I think as everyone digest the severity of what happend and joes role in it students/alumni/school will have a strong desire to separate themselves from his likeness

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[quote=NC_Skins;857920]Only 1 million??...lol Hell the coach here at ECU makes that. That school profits (yes..profits) 50 million a year on Penn State football.[/quote]

Thats the base salary. He makes more with bonuses and 'donations' from boosters.

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[url=http://newsok.com/penn-state-tragedy-barry-switzer-says-joe-paterno-had-to-go/article/3621872?custom_click=pod_headline_ou-sports]Penn State tragedy: Barry Switzer says Joe Paterno had to go | NewsOK.com[/url]

[QUOTE]“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret,” Switzer said. “Everyone on that staff had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time.”[/QUOTE]

No doubt they all knew. Which is exactly why you have to fire the whole staff at the end of the year, if not now.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;857942][YT]mXCZKUp45o0[/YT][/quote]

I saw the portion of this interview that was aired last night... I totally commend this student in the middle of that madness. His look is priceless at 0:40, when the guy interrupts him.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;857902]If Chris Brown gets community service and Stallworth gets probation then I seriously doubt that Joe Pa goes to jail. They don't just send 85 year old men with no criminal record to jail, never mind 85 year old men that can afford very expensive attorneys. He's more likely to look at a huge civil suit for negligence and if he does get convicted criminally it will be probation.[/quote]

I agree with you but I was paraphrasing from the penn state neighbor's discussion, and also what I have been seeing on TV.

TV said tonight that two of the charges Joe may face are felonies in the state of Pennsylvania and the violation of the Child Protective Services law can carry a 3 year sentence in jail.

He most likely will have community service / some type of fines, but then again the judge can look how far back joe was covering things up and be stricter on him... I'm not a lawyer so i dont know how that all works.

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/facepalm

[url=http://live.psu.edu/story/24106]Penn State Live - Reminder: Penn State to hold commencement ceremonies May 18-20[/url]


-- 3 p.m.: The College of Health and Human Development commencement ceremony in the Bryce Jordan Center. [B]Jerry Sandusky, founder of The Second Mile, will speak.[/B]


Even back in 2007, they were having this child molester speak at commencement. I really hope all involved die horrible deaths. Seriously.

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Stuff keeps getting uglier and uglier.

[url=http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_child_sex-abuse_sca.html]Penn State child sex-abuse scandal: When we had the facts, we ran the story | PennLive.com[/url]


[QUOTE]During our own investigation, years later, the mother told us that she had been specifically instructed by state police not to speak with reporters.

No charges were filed against Sandusky in 1998. With the mother cowed into silence, the incident remained buried
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[QUOTE]It appears from the grand jury presentment that the school’s aim was to handle this report very quietly. They succeeded. No one who had been directly involved talked about it at the time. No one.

Sandusky flaunted the so-called “ban” on his bringing kids to campus — in fact, he held Second Mile camps on other Penn State campuses as recently as 2008. We never noticed any sanctions against the former coach because they didn’t really exist
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[url=http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sandusky_released_on_bail_judg.html]Sandusky released on bail, judge orders no contact with minors | PennLive.com[/url]


Dude didn't have to pay 1 penny for bail. WTF??

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[quote=djnemo65;857915]Sorry man, I've been a little testy today. No problems.[/quote]

It's cool. From your pov I'm sure it must be tough to watch your alma mater go through something like this. It's crazy to think that one of the most iconic football coaches of our time could be involved with something so heinous. It's also crazy to think that on Saturday, for the first time in 46 years there will be someone else coaching Penn State from the sidelines.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857958]Stuff keeps getting uglier and uglier.

[url=http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_child_sex-abuse_sca.html]Penn State child sex-abuse scandal: When we had the facts, we ran the story | PennLive.com[/url]









[url=http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sandusky_released_on_bail_judg.html]Sandusky released on bail, judge orders no contact with minors | PennLive.com[/url]


Dude didn't have to pay 1 penny for bail. WTF??[/quote]

For some reason I just get the feeling Sandusky is going to take the coward's way out and just kill himself, rather than face the rest of his life in prison. He's probably going to sit there and say, well I've lived a long and fulfilling life, now that it's going down the shitter it's time for me to make my exit.

It's why I think there's just no appropriate justice for him. Killing him is the easy way out, letting him get raped in prison sounds like something he'd enjoy, and for some reason I get the feeling no matter how much money these kids get for their suffering, it's still not going to change the fact that they had to go through hell and will still need a lot of time and healing to get over it.

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Well hate it that will end the Paterno era like that. But had Joe done things differently and told on his assistants and done more, who knows as he would had kept his job.

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Apparently, the Gary Schultz dude was involved with university police(VP or something) and McQueary did inform him of what he witnessed, allegedly. I'm just saying.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;857969]Apparently, the Gary Schultz dude was involved with university police(VP or something) and McQueary did inform him of what he witnessed, allegedly. I'm just saying.[/quote]

McQueary is the worst in all of this (save the obvious choice of Sandusky). He saw a 58 year old man sodomizing a kid. He was apparently 28 years old at the time 6'4 200 something pounds. I don't know about you but in a fight I would have thought that McQueary had the upper hand.

I mean if he had seen him naked in the showers with the kid that would have been one thing, because even though thats inappropriate it still leaves a little room for reasonable doubt. However from what I'm hearing he actually saw the rape and there is nothing to misinterpret about that situation. He caught him red handed and rather then saving the kid from a feeble old man he ran and left that kid to suffer through more abuse, not even calling the police. That is unacceptable.

Apparently one of the alleged reasons as to why he isn't being fired is to avoid any further liability. A university firing a whistle blower is apparently a great way to get sued.

[IMG]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/11/10/sports/McQueary/McQueary-articleLarge.jpg[/IMG]
[I][B]"Golly gee Joe Pa this is great. Putting my career ahead of the needs of that 10 year old boy......totally worth it" [/B][/I]

Rumors started today that there will be evidence released soon that Sandoushsky was actually pimping out young boys to rich pervs. A full on weird Nambla Sex ring type of thing. It was on aol earlier today. Who knows how much speculation that is but at this point, I'm not surprised by anything. I can't believe how evil this cat is. I grew up with a dad who arrested serial killers and sociopathic drug cartel hit men and this is giving me the same feeling in my stomach that the stories he would tell me about these demented raping serial killer types. Crimes that tear away the fabric of our very humanity. It's unreal man. Those poor kids.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;857969]Apparently, the Gary Schultz dude was involved with university police(VP or something) and McQueary did inform him of what he witnessed, allegedly. I'm just saying.[/quote]


He's [B]VP of Finance[/B]. Usually some stiff overseas the police department, but usually has 0 to do with law enforcement or making sure things are processed. That's how it is here at ECU and most likely that way across the nation. People want to say "well he was in charge of the police department", but that doesn't fly. Police officers are bound to different duties than say some guy of finance.



[quote=mooby;857961]For some reason I just get the feeling Sandusky is going to take the coward's way out and just kill himself, rather than face the rest of his life in prison. He's probably going to sit there and say, well I've lived a long and fulfilling life, now that it's going down the shitter it's time for me to make my exit. [/quote]

I think the guy is too egotistical to off himself. The way he flaunted those kids around the school after being caught several times already?



[url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2011-11/penn-state-scandal/story/mike-mcquearys-father-son-would-talk-if-he-could-penn-state-sex-scandal]McQueary will not attend Nebraska game; his father says he'd speak if he could - NCAA Football - Sporting News[/url]

[quote] The father of Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary says if he could, his son would discuss the child sex abuse scandal that has led to the firing of coach Joe Paterno.

“It’s not that he’s not willing,” John J. McQueary, told The New York Times. “I think it’s eating him up not to be able to tell his side, but he’s under investigation by the grand jury. He’ll make it. He’s a tough kid.”
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Looks like McQueary is under investigation from Grand Jury. Hrmmm.. Also the fact his dad called him a "tough kid" is laughable. No dad, he isn't tough, which is why his sorry ass walked out when a kid was getting raped. In fact, his dad should be getting fired from his job just for giving that sort of advice.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;857971]McQueary is the worst in all of this (save the obvious choice of Sandusky). He saw a 58 year old man sodomizing a kid. He was apparently 28 years old at the time 6'4 200 something pounds. I don't know about you but in a fight I would have thought that McQueary had the upper hand.

I mean if he had seen him naked in the showers with the kid that would have been one thing, because even though thats inappropriate it still leaves a little room for reasonable doubt. However from what I'm hearing he actually saw the rape and there is nothing to misinterpret about that situation. He caught him red handed and rather then saving the kid from a feeble old man he ran and left that kid to suffer through more abuse, not even calling the police. That is unacceptable.

[B]Apparently one of the alleged reasons as to why he isn't being fired is to avoid any further liability. A university firing a whistle blower is apparently a great way to get sued.[/B]

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[I][B]"Golly gee Joe Pa this is great. Putting my career ahead of the needs of that 10 year old boy......totally worth it" [/B][/I][/quote]

That makes no sense and has no reason. Facts are facts no matter if he still has his job or not.

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[url=http://www.ticklethewire.com/2011/11/10/column-doing-the-right-thing-in-penn-state-scandal/]Tickle The Wire » Column: Doing the Right Thing in Penn State Scandal[/url]

This is a good article by a ex-FBI agent and a good story about Bo Schembechler having to "do the right thing."


[quote]In 1987, the FBI was investigating two sports agents, Norby Walters and Lloyd Bloom, who had ties to organized crime. Walters and Bloom had worked up a scam where they bribed blue-chip college football players to sign post-dated, secret, agency contracts while they were still eligible to play college football – a clear violation of NCAA rules. Ultimately some of the players balked, threats were made by Walters and Bloom, and the whole thing fell apart.

Players who had signed the contracts were identified. They were all star players on prominent college teams. Two of the players were on Bo’s 1986 Michigan team.

When Bo found out, he was livid. He called one of the players, Garland Rivers, an All-American DB, into the office and had Rivers tell him the whole story.

Then Bo called me.

When I got to Bo’s office, Bo told Rivers “Tell this FBI agent everything about your relationship with Norby Walters.” Bo could have distanced himself and Michigan from the investigation.

Michigan would have been just one of many major football programs victimized by Walters and Bloom. But that wasn’t Bo. Damage control doesn’t mean hiding from the truth. It means taking responsibility for your actions and trying to rectify the mistakes.[/quote]

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Now the question is will Penn State remove Joe Pa statue?

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[url=http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-10-2011/penn-state-riots]Penn State Riots - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 11/10/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central[/url]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7219828/no-one-seems-really-know-former-penn-state-assistant-coach-jerry-sandusky]No one seems to really know former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky - ESPN[/url]

[quote]
AMBRIDGE, Pa. -- The books were uncovered in an old box Wednesday, and Kip Richeal called to say it was OK to stop by and grab one, free of charge. It never came close to being a best-seller, it almost didn't get published, and Richeal, the co-author, never liked the title. But Jerry Sandusky insisted. He wanted the book about his life to be called "Touched."



Richeal has a quiet job selling headstones at a monument company now, but his phone has not stopped ringing for the past six days. Sandusky, legendary assistant coach and pillar of the community, has been charged with 40 counts of sexual abuse to boys in a scandal that has prompted Joe Paterno's firing and rattled the state of Pennsylvania. Sandusky's name is toxic, and his movements are tracked. On Thursday, the State College paper reported that, according to a source, Sandusky was seen shopping at a Dick's Sporting Goods wearing Penn State gear, and a nation recoiled.
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I dont know how much faith i put into the report that sandusky was really out shopping at Dick's yesterday like nothing happened but this guy needs to go back to jail asap, if only for his own safety. I give it a 50/50 chance that he doesnt take his life by the end of the weekend, maybe right after he watches the PSU Nebraska game from the comfort of his living room. Even if he doesnt kill himself for some reason hes gonna get severely hurt or killed if hes running around town and shopping at Dick's.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Imagine if he drops the soap in prison.

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Mike McQueary placed on administrative leave

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So this guy and the Athletic Director are on leave. I wonder why they haven't been fired.

[url=http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/11/penn-state-trustees-consider-panel-to-investigate-sex-abuse-allegations/]Penn State puts wide receivers' coach on leave – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;858099]So this guy and the Athletic Director are on leave. I wonder why they haven't been fired.[/quote]

I'm willing to bet you anything that it's because of the "whistle blower" laws. I'm speaking of McQueary of course, but I have no idea why Curley or Schultz aren't canned unless they somehow fall under the same laws they as well. I imagine they are going through all the legality of everything before they just fire them right out.


Something this big was bound to have whispers. (even from when the police investigated in '98) So wonder how many Board of Trustees knew as well?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;857971]McQueary is the worst in all of this (save the obvious choice of Sandusky). He saw a 58 year old man sodomizing a kid. He was apparently 28 years old at the time 6'4 200 something pounds. I don't know about you but in a fight I would have thought that McQueary had the upper hand.

I mean if he had seen him naked in the showers with the kid that would have been one thing, because even though thats inappropriate it still leaves a little room for reasonable doubt. However from what I'm hearing he actually saw the rape and there is nothing to misinterpret about that situation. He caught him red handed and rather then saving the kid from a feeble old man he ran and left that kid to suffer through more abuse, not even calling the police. That is unacceptable.

Apparently one of the alleged reasons as to why he isn't being fired is to avoid any further liability. A university firing a whistle blower is apparently a great way to get sued.

[IMG]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/11/10/sports/McQueary/McQueary-articleLarge.jpg[/IMG]
[I][B]"Golly gee Joe Pa this is great. Putting my career ahead of the needs of that 10 year old boy......totally worth it" [/B][/I][/quote]
I doubt McQueary is a unique case, nor is his cowardice "special" to him. I would suspect most of the outraged wanting his head would have, given a purely "[I]tabula rasa[/I]" state of mind prior to such an incident, behaved similarly. This is not to excuse McQueary, but to point out that the many talking heads crucifying him for his non-escalation of violence would likely not have resorted to violence in their own right, despite their own self-perceptions to the contrary.

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I tell you what. The Patriot News is on top of things. I applaud them for their professionalism and for their journalism.


[url=http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html]A Patriot-News Special Report: Who knew what about Jerry Sandusky? There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995 | PennLive.com[/url]


[QUOTE]The earliest documented report of possible abuse at the hands of Sandusky is in 1995, when his now-legally adopted son was still a teenage foster child in his home.

The adoption file for Matt Sandusky, who had a different name at the time, contains letters of concern from his mother to children and youth officials and to a Centre County judge.

Matt’s biological mother, Debra Long, testified before the grand jury.

Matt, 33, is not one of the victims in the grand jury presentment, but he did testify before the grand jury.

Sandusky’s attorney, Joe Amendola, said Long is upset with Sandusky for helping her son and her allegations are not based in fact. Matt went to live with the Sandusky family after he was caught setting fire to a barn in 1995.

Children and Youth Services placed him with the Sandusky family at Jerry Sandusky’s request. He knew Matt through The Second Mile.

In his book, “Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story” several pages are devoted to Matt.

“He became an instant challenge for me,” Sandusky writes.

Debra Long was allowed to visit her son only one-half day per month after he went to live with the Sanduskys.

About four months after he went to live with Jerry, Matt attempted suicide with a girl who was also staying at Sandusky’s house.
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[quote=SirClintonPortis;858107]I doubt McQueary is a unique case, nor is his cowardice "special" to him. I would suspect most of the outraged wanting his head would have, given a purely "[I]tabula rasa[/I]" state of mind prior to such an incident, behaved similarly. This is not to excuse McQueary, but to point out that the many talking heads crucifying him for his non-escalation of violence would likely not have resorted to violence in their own right, despite their own self-perceptions to the contrary.[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7219531]Ritchie Reacts To Sandusky Scandal - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

Jon Ritchie gives a emotional breakdown of his relationship with Sandusky and even says that knowing Sandusky the way he did, he probably would have reacted the same way as McQueary initially due to the shock factor.

He then goes on to say that once it sunk it, that's when he would have taken it to the proper authorities or at least followed up once his superiors did nothing.

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This is a follow up on Smoots post about McQueary's administrative leave.


[url=http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2011/11/mcqueary_tells_psu_wideouts_he.html]McQueary tells PSU wideouts he's out as coach and in "protective custody" | PennLive.com[/url]


[quote]Penn State's deposed receivers coach Mike McQueary, today placed on what the school called "administrative leave," moments ago told his receivers on a brief conference call that he was in "protective custody" at a secluded location not in State College.
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Also, Sandusky was recruiting for Penn State last year is seems, and since the newsbreak the recruits have been jumping off Penn State's sinking ship.

[url=http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html#.Tr17KoFYfCg.twitter]Penn State Scandal Impacts High School Recruits - Greenville News Story - WYFF Greenville[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;857985]He's [B]VP of Finance[/B]. Usually some stiff overseas the police department, but usually has 0 to do with law enforcement or making sure things are processed. That's how it is here at ECU and most likely that way across the nation. People want to say "well he was in charge of the police department", but that doesn't fly. Police officers are bound to different duties than say some guy of finance.
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Fair enough then. But even so, Schultz broke Pennsylvania law by keeping his mouth shut.

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[quote=NC_Skins;858111]This is a follow up on Smoots post about McQueary's administrative leave.


[url=http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2011/11/mcqueary_tells_psu_wideouts_he.html]McQueary tells PSU wideouts he's out as coach and in "protective custody" | PennLive.com[/url]






Also, Sandusky was recruiting for Penn State last year is seems, and since the newsbreak the recruits have been jumping off Penn State's sinking ship.

[url=http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html#.Tr17KoFYfCg.twitter]Penn State Scandal Impacts High School Recruits - Greenville News Story - WYFF Greenville[/url]

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It makes sense to keep him protected, not only from the "mob" enraged by his nonaction but those who don't want his testimony to get them convicted, i.e Sandusky, Schultz, etc.

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He was VP of Finance and also oversaw Human Resources and the University Police

And he had such a distinguished career at Penn State that a couple of months ago they named a child care center after him....sigh

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[quote=NC_Skins;858110][url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7219531]Ritchie Reacts To Sandusky Scandal - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

Jon Ritchie gives a emotional breakdown of his relationship with Sandusky and even says that knowing Sandusky the way he did, he probably would have reacted the same way as McQueary initially due to the shock factor.

[B]He then goes on to say that once it sunk it, that's when he would have taken it to the proper authorities or at least followed up once his superiors did nothing[/B].[/quote]

And to me, that's where McQueary f'ed up. Yes - we all like to think we would have kicked the sh** out Sandusky. I certainly hope I would have - but, as SCP said, walking in on something so shocking, I just don't know what I would have done. I may have been stunned into inaction for some short time - maybe even a long time. At some point within the next 24 hours, though, the police AND Paterno would have been notified. And, at 28, I guarantee that I would not have had to call Dad first.

McQueary was dead wrong. I can see that right now, right this instant and for any number of reasons it might not be prudent for the school or the police to bust his balls, but, eventually, I hope he gets a full dose of justice.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;858119]And to me, that's where McQueary f'ed up. Yes - we all like to think we would have kicked the sh** out Sandusky. I certainly hope I would have - but, as SCP said, walking in on something so shocking, I just don't know what I would have done. I may have been stunned into inaction for some short time - maybe even a long time. At some point within the next 24 hours, though, the police AND Paterno would have been notified. And, at 28, I guarantee that I would not have had to call Dad first.

McQueary was dead wrong. I can see that right now, right this instant and for any number of reasons it might not be prudent for the school or the police to bust his balls, but, eventually, I hope he gets a full dose of justice.[/quote]

And what about his dad? I mean why didn't he step in and call the police and say "my son just called me and told me he witnessed..."

And speaking of dads, you're one JoeRedskin. Maybe you could answer my question from earlier in this thread.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;858119]And to me, that's where McQueary f'ed up. Yes - we all like to think we would have kicked the sh** out Sandusky. I certainly hope I would have - but, as SCP said, walking in on something so shocking, I just don't know what I would have done. I may have been stunned into inaction for some short time - maybe even a long time. At some point within the next 24 hours, though, the police AND Paterno would have been notified. And, at 28, I guarantee that I would not have had to call Dad first.

McQueary was dead wrong. I can see that right now, right this instant and for any number of reasons it might not be prudent for the school or the police to bust his balls, but, eventually, I hope he gets a full dose of justice.[/quote]
His actions could very well be influenced by residual Irish-American cultural values, an emphasis on family being one of them. This is not to excuse his behavior, but rather to make it more understandable why he decided to do what he did.

Not to mention that Sandusky's relationship with him had far greater deal of closeness and trust than a typical player-coach relationship since the families knew each other.

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Pretty emotional pre-game scene in State College. Seeing all the tears and emotions of the students/fans... I do really feel bad for all loyal Penn State fans/alums/students that had nothing to do with any of this. I know what it's like to love a football program and school with all of your heart like that.

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Sandusky is denying all the charges except for showering with kids.

[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/i-am-innocent-sandusky-tells-bob-costas-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids/]Jerry Sandusky Proclaims Innocence to Bob Costas | ‘I Shouldn’t Have Showered With Those Kids’ |NBC News “Rock Center” | TheBlaze.com[/url]

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So what intent did we have when he, per his own admission, touched their legs in the shower?

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[quote=mlmpetert;859557]Sandusky is denying all the charges except for showering with kids.

[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/i-am-innocent-sandusky-tells-bob-costas-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids/]Jerry Sandusky Proclaims Innocence to Bob Costas | ‘I Shouldn’t Have Showered With Those Kids’ |NBC News “Rock Center” | TheBlaze.com[/url][/quote]

Why do I not believe him? What grown man showers with little boys without having sexual intentions?

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He also earlier admitted to hugging boys while naked and im not sure what kind fo intent you can have there either. But Im kind of glad that he is fighting the charges because otherwise i think he would kill himself, leave a note that said he didnt do it but feels disgraced and in effect take away any fair justice from the victims.

And i think that all of the victims of the most graphic assaults that the witnesses saw (McQuery and the janitors) have never been identified. In fact does anyone know what actual witnesses there are that are also victims and what they allege?

I honestly feel like most victims wouldnt come forward at this point. Can you image keeping the secret that you were raped as a kid and then come out with it to everyone you know in order to be a witness. What if you now live a completely normal life, just imagine how people would now treat you. Plus they say that 50% of all child molesters where molested when they were kids, i would bet some people may even act differently when youre around there kids. Its very sad and an absolutely horrible thing.