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[quote=44Deezel;875480]Hasn't he already had 2 or 3 neck surgeries already?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yeah, im pretty confused about that too. I *think* the other 2 wernt really invasive surgeries, they were more along the lines of attempting to do something minimal in order to avoid the fusion which would have, and eventually did, cause him to miss the season. Also one of his surgeries may have been a stem cell transplant to prep the neck for the fusion for the greater likelihood of better or faster results. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The guy was saying that as long as the fusion was a success, which i think everyone is reporting it be, that its basically no longer an issue. Apparently there are a bunch of players that have had the same surgery that take or deliver much bigger hits then a QB gets and scouts / personal guys view these surgically fused “neck parts” as a non-issue. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]But if it wasnt a success then Manning’s career would be over; which is probably a big part in why Manning tried the minimally invasive surgeries first. Either way the bigger issue is supposed to be his arm strength, and I would guess the things related to it like accuracy and touch.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[url]http://bostinno.com/2012/01/13/could...gton-redskins/[/url]

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[quote=dmek25;875498][URL]http://bostinno.com/2012/01/13/could...gton-redskins/[/URL][/quote]

Link didn't work for me "Page not found".

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[quote=mlmpetert;875477][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Whats so confusing about this Weinstein thing to me is that it sounds like Manning & Saturday to the Redskins would be via trade, but everyone seems to be saying it wouldnt be...... [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also i heard that his neck injury is much less serious than people think. Apparently he had a one-level cervical neck fusion surgery, which is not that big of a deal. I cant remember who it was but i was listening to on Czeban the other day and guy came on and said that NFL teams do not even note "one" level cervical fusions surgeries anymore when scouting for the NFL draft or signing FA’s. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]He said something like once its fixed its fixed and the odds of damaging it is the same as the odds of damaging a different cervical (rare). Its not supposed to be a thing that can become a reoccurring issue or jeopardize a players health. If you have more than 1 cervical fused then it becomes a big deal, but needing additional fusions are unlikely to be related. The guy did say that biggest issue with Manning is that he has missed almost an entire year of throwing and that Manning's may not ever be able to get his arm strength back because of that. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]My 2 cents is trading for Manning would be very bad for this team. The only positive would be that Kyle wouldn’t really be our OC anymore. Manny don’t need no OC. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]If we want to sign him as a FA then thats fine, but why in the world would Manning do that to himself? [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Bram didn't say anything about a trade, it's only if Manning is a healthy free agent

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[quote=SBXVII;875502]Link didn't work for me "Page not found".[/quote]

[url=http://bostinno.com/2012/01/13/could-peyton-manning-be-headed-to-the-washington-redskins/]Could Peyton Manning Be Headed to the Washington Redskins? | BostInno[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;875505]Bram didn't say anything about a trade, it's only if Manning is a healthy free agent[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]But whats confusing is saying "Manning to a team”, to me, that implies a trade, particularly if the player is currently under contract. A major thing has to happen before Manning can freely sign with us or anyone else…. He has to get cut.

I guess is it certain that Manning is going to get cut? I never heard that? Can the Redskins talk to Manning before he’s released? [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Then assuming hes cut Manning’s #1 choice is….. the Redskins????

So when Weinstein, who I deeply respect, says that Manning to the Redskins is likely, that sounds like trade to me…. Which scares me to death, btw. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think what Weinstein means is, IF Manning gets cut THEN the Redskins will pursue him very hard. But whats lost to me is if hes implying there is any mutual interest whatsoever by Manning and Saturday? What he said implies, to me, there is mutual interest or that we would trade for him.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[url=http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/09/inside-peyton-mannings-surgery/]Inside Peyton Manning's surgery – - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

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[quote=tryfuhl;875507][URL="http://bostinno.com/2012/01/13/could-peyton-manning-be-headed-to-the-washington-redskins/"]Could Peyton Manning Be Headed to the Washington Redskins? | BostInno[/URL][/quote]


This author is reading it the same as me, that Bram is implying trade.

[quote]"According to a [URL="https://twitter.com/#!/BramWeinstein/statuses/157812756635066370"][COLOR=#0066cc]tweet from ESPN Anchor Bram Weinstein[/COLOR][/URL], Indianapolis Colts’ quarterback Peyton Manning – who missed the entire 2011 NFL season while recovering from one-level cervical neck fusion surgery – could be part of a package deal with Colts center Jeff Saturday to get shipped to the Washington Redskins."[/quote]

Im almost certain that Saturday is a FA, so the above deosnt make sense. But perhaps if the Redskins arnt directly talking to Manning maybe theyre talking to Saturday? Maybe at this point Manning think hes gonna get released and told Saturday?

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^I feel sick :vomit:

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[quote=Mattyk;875521][URL="http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/09/inside-peyton-mannings-surgery/"]Inside Peyton Manning's surgery – - CNN.com Blogs[/URL][/quote]


[quote]Manning had a procedure called a single level anterior fusion. That involves making an incision at the front of the neck, without cutting any muscles. The disc is removed from the nerve and spinal cord. The surgeon then fills the open disc space with a bone graft. The graft acts as a bridge between the two vertebrae, creating a spinal fusion. Metal plates and screws are often used to hold the bone graft and vertebrae together.[/quote]

You read the above and youre like damn the dudes f'd forever, he cant come back from that. Then you read the rest of the article and they act like its no big deal......

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[quote=mlmpetert;875522]This author is reading it the same as me, Bram is implying trade.



Im almost certain that Saturday is a FA, so the above deosnt make sense. But perhaps if the Redskins arnt directly talking to Manning maybe theyre talking to Saturday? Maybe at this point Manning think hes gonna get released and told Saturday?[/quote]

Well, the actual Tweet was:

"One of the people who's opinion at ESPN I trust the most says Peyton + Saturday to Redskins is VERY likely.. So, I have to warm up to it?"

Not sure where he implies trade there

Someone on this message board (who used to work with him) asked Bram about this and he said the Insider (who has nothing to do with the Redskins, just a general NFL insider) did not say anything about a trade. Just that if healthy and available, the Redskins would be very interested and the feeling may be mutual bc Peyton is a big Mike Shanahan fan, though the Redskins are probably not his first choice. They would likely only go after him if he's a FA, although in Bram's personal opinion the Colts would only trade Peyton. He doesn't think they'll just let him walk if he's healthy

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[quote=Mattyk;875521][URL="http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/09/inside-peyton-mannings-surgery/"]Inside Peyton Manning's surgery – - CNN.com Blogs[/URL][/quote]

Ok so the doctor says last year other Colts members had the surgery and returned to football. Over all 40 players had it last year and all returned. He says their usually out 12 weeks then they can resume playing. But then he throws in this....

[quote]
[B]If the nerve is badly compressed before the surgery[/B], however, specific muscle groups may be weaker than normal, but doctors would know about that beforehand. [B]That would require a longer course of rehabilitation to help strengthen his muscles[/B], Maroon said.
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So is this what P.Mannings problem was and why he didn't return this year?

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[quote=SmootSmack;875525]Well, the actual Tweet was:

"One of the people who's opinion at ESPN I trust the most says Peyton + Saturday to Redskins is VERY likely.. So, I have to warm up to it?"

Not sure where he implies trade there

Someone on this message board (who used to work with him) asked Bram about this and he said the Insider (who has nothing to do with the Redskins, just a general NFL insider) did not say anything about a trade. Just that if healthy and available, the Redskins would be very interested and the feeling may be mutual bc Peyton is a big Mike Shanahan fan, though the Redskins are probably not his first choice. They would likely only go after him if he's a FA, although in Bram's personal opinion the Colts would only trade Peyton. He doesn't think they'll just let him walk if he's healthy[/quote]


Come on that definitely implies trade more so then anything else. Bram should have added in "if released" if thats what he meant.

Either way i dont see any team wanting to trade for him until he is payed his bonus in March. Once he gets paid his 28million bonus im sure a lot of teams would trade big for him, but the Colts wouldnt want to trade him. Unless there was a problem with his surgery I dont think he gets released, but I guess well know in March.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7304392/peyton-manning-doctor-says-fusion-healed-firmly]Peyton Manning's doctor says fusion has healed firmly - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;875525]Well, the actual Tweet was:

"One of the people who's opinion at ESPN I trust the most says Peyton + Saturday to Redskins is VERY likely.. So, I have to warm up to it?"

Not sure where he implies trade there

Someone on this message board (who used to work with him) asked Bram about this and he said the Insider (who has nothing to do with the Redskins, just a general NFL insider) did not say anything about a trade. Just that if healthy and available, the Redskins would be very interested and the feeling may be mutual bc Peyton is a big Mike Shanahan fan, though the Redskins are probably not his first choice. They would likely only go after him if he's a FA, although in Bram's personal opinion the Colts would only trade Peyton. He doesn't think they'll just let him walk if he's healthy[/quote]

Bram doesn't say it, the writer for the story says it... sorta. He implies it when he says this....

[quote]According to a [URL="https://twitter.com/#!/BramWeinstein/statuses/157812756635066370"][COLOR=#27aae2]tweet from ESPN Anchor Bram Weinstein[/COLOR][/URL], Indianapolis Colts’ quarterback Peyton Manning – who missed the entire 2011 NFL season while recovering from one-level cervical neck fusion surgery – [B]could be part of a package deal with Colts center Jeff Saturday to get shipped to the Washington Redskins[/B][/quote]

It's the whole "package deal" and "shipped" wording.

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[quote=SmootSmack;875525]Well, the actual Tweet was:

"One of the people who's opinion at ESPN I trust the most says Peyton + Saturday to Redskins is VERY likely.. So, I have to warm up to it?"

Not sure where he implies trade there

Someone on this message board (who used to work with him) asked Bram about this and he said the Insider (who has nothing to do with the Redskins, just a general NFL insider) did not say anything about a trade. Just that if healthy and available, the Redskins would be very interested and the feeling may be mutual bc Peyton is a big Mike Shanahan fan, though the Redskins are probably not his first choice. They would likely only go after him if he's a FA, [B]although in Bram's personal opinion the Colts would only trade Peyton[/B]. He doesn't think they'll just let him walk if he's healthy[/quote]

well yeah I think thats most people opinions. If Indy let him walk, it would be jaw dropping decision.

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[quote=Chico23231;875538]well yeah I think thats most people opinions. If Indy let him walk, it would be jaw dropping decision.[/quote]

Not much so. Look at it this way, the Colts have said that they are not trading him. If he's healthy they will keep him if he's not they will let him go. But what they fail to say is if they draft Luck and Peyton is not happy then they might just be smart in letting him go before he's due his extra money so they don't take such a big CAP hit. If they pay him and trade him they take a bigger hit I think then if they just let him go.

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I just heard on the radio that the Redskins are interested in Manning and Jeff Saturday as a package deal. I hope this isn't true but I'd be willing to bet it is.

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[quote=skinsfan69;875540]I just heard on the radio that the Redskins are interested in Manning and Jeff Saturday as a package deal. I hope this isn't true but I'd be willing to bet it is.[/quote]

Keep in mind the Radio could be commenting on the same tweet we are.

But if it is true I hope we are not throwing away our top draft picks. I'd still like to get a QB and WR with the first two picks. QB to learn under Peyton or start if they are better then the FA QB we pick up, and a WR to give said QB's an offensive weapon.

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Um.....I'd be willing to give them Chris Cooley + Roy Helu (because I actually believe Evan Royster may wind up being the better of the two backs,) but the Redskins should still do what they need to do to get RG III.

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Someone, put a stop to this!

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It's all based on Bram's tweet.

And I told you what he told a member of this message board today (offline). It's just an informed opinion from an NFL insider that the Redskins would, if Manning is healthy and free, go hard after him. And to maybe the sweeten the pot a bit they'll bring along his good buddy and teammate Jeff Saturday (whereas maybe other teams wouldn't). Again, even though Bram has great sources within the Redskins, this did not come from someone inside the Redskins.

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[quote=SBXVII;875543][B]Keep in mind the Radio could be commenting on the same tweet we are.[/B]

But if it is true I hope we are not throwing away our top draft picks. I'd still like to get a QB and WR with the first two picks. QB to learn under Peyton or start if they are better then the FA QB we pick up, and a WR to give said QB's an offensive weapon.[/quote]


Probably so, Bram's wording is stright up confusing people (like me).....

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[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="1"][SIZE="1"][I]This is not the way. I'd rather endure another season of Grossman and Beck before dealing with a timebomb of ridicule. Please. I'm begging you.[/I][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote=SBXVII;875539]Not much so. Look at it this way, the Colts have said that they are not trading him. If he's healthy they will keep him if he's not they will let him go. But what they fail to say is if they draft Luck and Peyton is not happy then they might just be smart in letting him go before he's due his extra money so they don't take such a big CAP hit. If they pay him and trade him they take a bigger hit I think then if they just let him go.[/quote]


Mannings bonus comes in March, the draft is in April. Theyre in a real pickle.

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[quote=mlmpetert;875552]Mannings bonus comes in March, the draft is in April. Theyre in a real pickle.[/quote]

Make them M-effers sweat. They hold the first pick in the draft, let them take a hit.

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It's only January folks. The rumor mill is just getting started. Don't put too much stock into anything right now.

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There are a lot of IF's, and I honestly don't think Peyton Manning is going to be healthy enough to play. But yeah, if there was no doubt the Manning was 100% healthy and in football shape, it would be awful hard to pass him up, but you don't mortgage the future on him.

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How come ESPN hasnt sniffed out this mysterious tweet yet or have they?

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[quote=mlmpetert;875549]Probably so, Bram's wording is stright up confusing people (like me).....[/quote]

What became confusing was when people decided to start adding words to it

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[quote=SmootSmack;875560]What became confusing was when people decided to start adding words to it[/quote]Oh there you go again with your silly [I]logic[/I]! Just let us jump to conclusions if only to keep the chicken little "we're wasting draft picks on old players" routine going; it's all we got!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;875554]It's only January folks. The rumor mill is just getting started. Don't put too much stock into anything right now.[/quote]

Unless it comes from the Bleacher Report. LOL.


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[url=http://www.wtop.com/?nid=357&sid=2705825]Misunderstood tweet causes firestorm over Peyton Manning's future - WTOP.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;875587][URL="http://www.wtop.com/?nid=357&sid=2705825"]Misunderstood tweet causes firestorm over Peyton Manning's future - WTOP.com[/URL][/quote]


Idk about that

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875588]Idk about that[/quote]

Don't know about what?

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;875589]Don't know about what?[/QUOTE]

If that's true lol

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=SmootSmack;875587][url=http://www.wtop.com/?nid=357&sid=2705825]Misunderstood tweet causes firestorm over Peyton Manning's future - WTOP.com[/url][/quote]

lol now thats funny.

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[quote=diehard;875443]Manning? Healthy? You kiddin' me? It won't matter. Manning wouldn't last behind the Skins OL.[/quote]

Lets get this straight Peyton makes his O-Line better. He is a coach on the field and he knows how to read defenses. He would knows where the blitz is going to come from at presnap. He would make our O-line much better and the entire offense would be more productive. Only concern is if he is healthy to play at least 3-4 years until we groom our QB of the future. If we get Manning dont worry about the O-Line they will love him under center.

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The only way I would have Manning playing for the Redskins if he gets released and we sign him as a F/A. I would have a clause about his health issue for a precaution. I rather spend money on a proven QB than a unknown like Matt Flynn who has played in a handfu of games. Smells like Kevin Kolb to me all over again, expcept Kolb was traded to the Cards who got hosed on that deal thus far.

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[quote=skins89moss;875645]Lets get this straight Peyton makes his O-Line better. He is a coach on the field and he knows how to read defenses. He would knows where the blitz is going to come from at presnap. He would make our O-line much better and the entire offense would be more productive. Only concern is if he is healthy to play at least 3-4 years until we groom our QB of the future. If we get Manning dont worry about the O-Line they will love him under center.[/quote]

He will not play 3 or 4 more years, regardless of where he plays. I think true best case scenario is possibly 2 seasons, and that is if Manning comes back at 100%. That is never going to happen with a neck that has had 3 surgeries in 19 months, one of which was a spinal fusion.

I still have doubts that peyton will play again, but if he does, I imagine he will get maybe one more season, maybe 2 if somehow he stays healthy. I think what will happen is he will attempt to play again, he'll go on the field at 60 or 70%, still be pretty good, but the first time he takes a big lick, he might have some complications from the surgery, and I think he won't risk it anymore after that.

I think Peyton doesn't know himself if he can still play. Being in practice and throwing to guys is way different than an actual game. You guys all know that. I think he has to find out for himself come game-time if he can still hang.