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[quote=Alvin Walton;880191]I agree, our QB stable is quite stale. I'd like to have three new names after the draft. (UDFA's)[/quote]

If our QB's are getting stale then we should quickly put them in the freezer with the dolls.

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[quote=Lotus;880214]If our QB's are getting stale then we should quickly put them in the freezer with the dolls.[/quote]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;880161]The rams aren't giving Sam up it's why Fisher took that job[/quote]

Fisher took the job because he has the keys to the city with personnel moves. He did not in Miami. He would have to answer to Jeff Ireland. Having a stable QB is just a plus. He could easily trade him, get draft picks and draft RG3 as his replacement.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880187]For the longest time I thought Grossman was pretty much a lock to return. In recent days though, I've gotten the impression they are ready to move on. Or at least let him test the market before making any decision.

In somewhat related news, new mock draft from National Football Post

[URL="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Mock-Draft-Version-20.html"]Mock Draft: Version 2.0 | National Football Post[/URL]

I still am not so sure they're going to trade up for RG3. But I know I'm in the minority on that[/quote]

If they let him walk then who comes in and starts day one? As sad as this sounds he gives us the best chance to win opening day 2012.

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[quote=skinsfan69;880219]If they let him walk then who comes in and starts day one? As sad as this sounds he gives us the best chance to win opening day 2012.[/quote]

Well, are we looking to win opening day or still be playing in late January?

Hoyer to start, Foles/Cousins/Tannehill (maybe in that order) to finish is my current prediction. Shanahan recently said if he can't get his franchise guy this year he wants someone he feels he can develop into his franchise guy in 2-3 years. Which is why I think it will be one of those 3 rookies taken by the Redskins.

As for Hoyer, Flynn is getting all the publicity but I know a lot of team execs around the league think Hoyer has the better upside (though I believe he's just an RFA)

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If thats the case and MS goes less than 9-7 its going to be hard to keep the Buzzards from circling.

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[quote=Lotus;880214]If our QB's are getting stale then we should quickly put them in the freezer with the dolls.[/quote]

classic. the freezer dolls were the most insane thing ive seen on the board

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[quote=12thMan;880209]With Peyton Manning on his way out the door it really makes no sense for the Colts NOT to draft Andrew Luck with the number one pick. That is if they really believe that Luck is a once in a generation quarterback who could put the Colts back on a trajectory of becoming a winning franchise again.

The possibility of Manning not playing for Colts next season (if that indeed happens), I think, is probably Irsay's way of nudging him into retirement out of a genuine concern for his health -- probably moreso than his perceived inability to co-exist with Andrew Luck.[/quote]

And that might be the way the Colts wants everybody to think - that there's no possible way they'd not draft Andrew Luck at #1. Don't get me wrong, I think it's likely the Colts still draft Andrew Luck, but I'm starting to believe it may not be their best option.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880224]Well, are we looking to win opening day or still be playing in late January?

Hoyer to start, Foles/Cousins/Tannehill (maybe in that order) to finish is my current prediction. Shanahan recently said if he can't get his franchise guy this year he wants someone he feels he can develop into his franchise guy in 2-3 years. Which is why I think it will be one of those 3 rookies taken by the Redskins.

As for Hoyer, Flynn is getting all the publicity but I know a lot of team execs around the league think Hoyer has the better upside (though I believe he's just an RFA)[/quote]

The developmental QB is no problem. Any of Foles/Cousins/Tannehill has enough talent to become a good NFL QB in time.

On the other hand, the starting QB for 2012 is beginning to look like a BIG problem. As for Hoyer, he is an RFA. I see no reason why NE wouldn't match any reasonable offer for him. That's why we would need to overpay him. I dunno, maybe that's not a problem in the minds of the Skins braintrust.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880224]Well, are we looking to win opening day or still be playing in late January?

Hoyer to start, Foles/Cousins/Tannehill (maybe in that order) to finish is my current prediction. Shanahan recently said if he can't get his franchise guy this year he wants someone he feels he can develop into his franchise guy in 2-3 years. Which is why I think it will be one of those 3 rookies taken by the Redskins.

As for Hoyer, Flynn is getting all the publicity but I know a lot of team execs around the league think Hoyer has the better upside (though I believe he's just an RFA)[/quote]


Only thing is, do we believe Shanahan has 2-3 more years given to him no matter what happens this coming season? While I believe he should be given his length of his contract to turn things around, I believe another 5-11 season probably would buy his ticket out of D.C.

I don't know much about Hoyer, but I suppose I'd be OK with any of those three rookies as developmental guys.

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I am not sold on Hoyer or Flynn at all and dont get how people can be. They have barely played! I wouldnt mind picking one of them up for competition with a rookie and really see what they can do. I really am hoping for a trade up for RG3 or i wouldnt mind bradford or luck either, but i feel like whatever i want we never do, I agree with Smoot I can so see us not getting anyone going into next year. I wouldnt be surprised at all.

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*DREAMING* Indy RGIII, St. Lou Luck, Skins trade back twice pick up 2 additional 2nd rd picks trade their 1st & 2nd for Bradford or Luck. If Indy, St. Lou & Skins were smart they would have an agreement were the skins keep tradeing back in the 1st & keep picking up additonal picks and then they all share the picks. Sounds crazy but remember I'm just dreaming.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;880241]The developmental QB is no problem. Any of Foles/Cousins/Tannehill has enough talent to become a good NFL QB in time.

On the other hand, the starting QB for 2012 is beginning to look like a BIG problem. As for Hoyer, he is an RFA. I see no reason why NE wouldn't match any reasonable offer for him. That's why we would need to overpay him. I dunno, maybe that's not a problem in the minds of the Skins braintrust.[/quote]

Patriots may be ready to move Mallett up to #2. Who knows, for sure

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[quote=skinsguy;880242]Only thing is, do we believe Shanahan has 2-3 more years given to him no matter what happens this coming season? While I believe he should be given his length of his contract to turn things around, I believe another 5-11 season probably would buy his ticket out of D.C.

I don't know much about Hoyer, but I suppose I'd be OK with any of those three rookies as developmental guys.[/quote]

I think so. I mean I'm not in the locker room or even at the park anymore. But I haven't spoke to one person who is who doesn't have total respect and admiration for Mike and Bruce (and Kyle is right up there as well actually, probably the favorite coach there).

I mean, I know the results haven't been great and I know maybe some of it is just relief that Vinny and Zorn (who everyone also thought was great, just in over his head) are gone.

And I know you gotta have results. But Shanahan, and especially Allen, have made it fun for people to be back in Redskin Park and worth it.

So I guess that's my long winded way of saying he'll have time to make it work.

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I really want RG3 i think he can be very special but I feel like with all the talk of us moving up to get it him it wont happen, it never works out how everyone says there will be a curveball from him and we wont get him. I hope im wrong

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Hoyer = A.J. Feeley = don't believe the hype

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[quote=diehard;880254]Hoyer = A.J. Feeley = don't believe the hype[/quote]

I agree. What has the guy proven really? same with Flynn. Yea they have played good when they had the chance but in very limited time, its too little to go by for me and to count on being our qb solution.

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[quote=Chico23231;880237]classic. the freezer dolls were the most insane thing ive seen on the board[/quote]please shine more light on this

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[quote=SmootSmack;880187]
I still am not so sure they're going to trade up for RG3. But I know I'm in the minority on that[/quote]

Minority as in minority among the rest of us average Joes, or in the minority among your colleagues?

Also what is the asking price for Hoyer. Even if it was only a third rounder it would still be odd to use both a second and a third on two different QB prospects even if you trade down from 6 to acquire more picks.

[quote=los panda;880256]please shine more light on this[/quote]

You're better off not knowing but if you really want to know you can check out Alvin Walton's first few post in the Super Happy Fun Thread.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;880263]Minority as in minority among the rest of us average Joes, or in the minority among your colleagues?[/quote]

Both, actually.

I said the same thing last year when my cohorts were all saying we were going to trade up for Blaine Gabbert. Though I caved at the last minute because Houston Chronicle's John McLain swayed my opinion.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880264]Both, actually.

I said the same thing last year when my cohorts were all saying we were going to trade up for Blaine Gabbert. Though I caved at the last minute because Houston Chronicle's John McLain swayed my opinion.[/quote]

John McClain.....he can be pretty persuasive. Just ask Hans and Simon Gruber :D

But yeah I agree with you. Between the staff coaching at the Senior Bowl, the emphasis on scouting, and a host of other factors I see them trading down before they trade up.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;880263]Minority as in minority among the rest of us average Joes, or in the minority among your colleagues?

Also what is the asking price for Hoyer. Even if it was only a third rounder it would still be odd to use both a second and a third on two different QB prospects even if you trade down from 6 to acquire more picks.



You're better off not knowing but if you really want to know you can check out Alvin Walton's first few post in the Super Happy Fun Thread.[/quote]

I don't know what the asking price might be. Maybe we could give them back the picks we got for Haynesworth :)

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[quote=Dirtbag59;880263]Minority as in minority among the rest of us average Joes, or in the minority among your colleagues?

Also what is the asking price for Hoyer. Even if it was only a third rounder it would still be odd to use both a second and a third on two different QB prospects even if you trade down from 6 to acquire more picks.



[B]You're better off not knowing but if you really want to know you can check out Alvin Walton's first few post in the Super Happy Fun Thread[/B].[/quote]

lol

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Let's say we go Tannehill/Foles/Cousins in round 2, what do we do round 1 if we stay at 6? Who do we prefer Smoot? Blackmon or Claiborne? Chances are one of them will be there at 6 and if one person tells me they both will be gone I will blow up their house and revive The Never Ending Thread.

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Smoot, is there any talk of using Helu as a bargaining chip?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880272]Let's say we go Tannehill/Foles/Cousins in round 2, what do we do round 1 if we stay at 6? Who do we prefer Smoot? Blackmon or Claiborne? Chances are one of them will be there at 6 and if one person tells me they both will be gone I will blow up their house and revive The Never Ending Thread.[/quote]

Tough to say, but probably Claiborne since they expect to make some moves for WR during free agency.

If we stay at 6, and he's not taken yet, I think Claiborne is probably at the top of our list. Or they may go with someone like Riley Reiff

I know a lot of people think they'd just take Tannehill at #6, but I've never thought that. And, for various reasons, I'm starting to have some doubts on just how much they really like him.

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[quote=Bushead;880273]Smoot, is there any talk of using Helu as a bargaining chip?[/quote]

For a brief second there was. But not anymore I don't think. He really isn't much of a bargaining chip actually.

Orakpo is the main bargaining chip as far as current players

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[quote=SmootSmack;880274]Tough to say, but probably Claiborne since they expect to make some moves for WR during free agency.

If we stay at 6, and he's not taken yet, I think Claiborne is probably at the top of our list. Or they may go with someone like Riley Reiff

I know a lot of people think they'd just take Tannehill at #6, but I've never thought that. And, for various reasons, I'm starting to have some doubts on just how much they really like him.[/quote]

Am I the only one would be upset with a 1st round top 10 pick OT?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880280]Am I the only one would be upset with a 1st round top 10 pick OT?[/quote]

Depends on what the other picks are, but generally speaking it wouldn't be the worst thing we could do.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880280]Am I the only one would be upset with a 1st round top 10 pick OT?[/quote]

I mean if there's nothing else left... (No WR, QB, and we can't trade back), I guess I wouldnt be upset because at least we're addressing the offense.. but I think we have much bigger needs. I certainly want to address the offensive line, but its certainly not what I would like to see out of the sixth pick.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;880286]Depends on what the other picks are, but generally speaking it wouldn't be the worst thing we could do.[/quote]

Not the worst thing but it's definitely not what I want to see happen:

1st choice: Andrew Luck
2nd choice: Robert Griffin III
3rd choice: Morris Claiborne
4th choice: Justin Blackmon
5th choice: Trent Richardson
6th choice: Trade down
7th choice: Dre Kirkpatrick
8th choice: 1st round offensive lineman

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why do you just get a matt flynn, or someone close to that, keep grossman as a backup, and hold on to next year and then try to get matt barkley and just spend this years draft getting playmakers and more depth

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[quote=redskins forever;880292]why do you just get a matt flynn, or someone close to that, keep grossman as a backup, and hold on to next year and then try to get matt barkley and just spend this years draft getting playmakers and more depth[/quote]

Cause whether he's worth it or not, Flynn is probably going to be looking for starter money.. and you don't make that investment just to draft someone in a year.

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[quote=redskins forever;880292]why do you just get a matt flynn, or someone close to that, keep grossman as a backup, and hold on to next year and then try to get matt barkley and just spend this years draft getting playmakers and more depth[/quote]

Because we would be paying Matt Flynn $50 million to be a stopgap, Grossman would still be on the roster, we would need the worst record to get Matt Barkley and that won't happen and we did that last year, time to get our QB. No more next years class is better BS.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880280]Am I the only one would be upset with a 1st round top 10 pick OT?[/quote]

I wouldn't like it either. There seems to be a number of good OT prospects in this draft such as Barrett Jones, Zebrie Sanders, and Levy Adcock, who we can get later.

I'd have no problem with trading down if we couldn't get any of your Top 5.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880280]Am I the only one would be upset with a 1st round top 10 pick OT?[/quote]


Considering your LT is one bong hit away from a years suspension and your RT is most likely not going to be on the squad, no I wouldn't be upset with it.

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I'd be upset if it was Riley Reiff. He got killed in his final two games.

I'm honestly tempted to draft Coples/Upshaw and have the best rushing core in the league.

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[quote=NC_Skins;880298]Considering your LT is one bong hit away from a years suspension and your RT is most likely not going to be on the squad, no I wouldn't be upset with it.[/quote]

Suspension is the ugly way of looking at it. Think of it as a yearlong mandatory vacation from work.

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[quote=IrMitchell;880300]I'd be upset if it was Riley Reiff. He got killed in his final two games.

I'm honestly tempted to draft Coples/Upshaw and have the best rushing core in the league.[/quote]

Put Michael Brockers in that group too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880274]Tough to say, but probably Claiborne since they expect to make some moves for WR during free agency.

If we stay at 6, and he's not taken yet, I think Claiborne is probably at the top of our list. Or they may go with someone like Riley Reiff

I know a lot of people think they'd just take Tannehill at #6, but I've never thought that. And, for various reasons, I'm starting to have some doubts on just how much they really like him.[/quote]

Yeah at this point, I think drafting Ryan Tannehill at #6 would be ridiculous.