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[quote=SmootSmack;883762]Dilfer's ok. Tim Hasselbeck on the other hand

And I think the whole Kyle is a control freak thing is ridiculous. So is his dad, but it worked fine with him letting Elway call plays, ditto Walsh and Montana. And many others.[/quote]

Yeah I don't get this whole perception that Florio and others have created, that "Kyle wants to run that offense like a little kid with a joystick on the sideline." I thought all offensive coordinators wanted the quarterback to run their offense. I guess the video game reference is a diss on Kyle's age.

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[quote=Ruhskins;883770]Question 1: What is your name?
Question 2: What is your quest?
[B]Question 3: What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?[/B][/quote]

Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?

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[quote=redskin29633;883718]If Jim Irsay is a man who speaks the truth, and its really NOT about the money, then there must be some kind of problem if the Colts let Manning walk. I've said before that risk tolerance is a part of the equation in Manning's return to football. Doctors are like regular people, their opinions vary. I suspect that is going to be the case (is the case) with PM's health, his ability to recover his passing skills, and his risk tolerance for another injury which could be debilitating. Perhaps Irsay just does not want to see PM go through all that as a Colt; perhaps he thinks its time for the Colts to move forward and not look back.

Against that backdrop, I just dont see how it is a good idea for Washington to give up a portion of the team's remaining salary cap space to bring in an aging, injured PM to play QB. Some seem to think we can get him for minimal salary with some incentive package attached. I really doubt that possibility. And even if it works, and PM earns a stack of incentive money, Redskins have still incurred the alternative costs. Money that could have been spent on WRs, safety, offensive linemen, retention of Fletcher at ILB, and a host of other needs.

The Manning plan is a bad one for the Redskins because it diverts us from the rebuilding effort already in motion! We should not stop mid-stream!

For once, I want the Redskins to be sensible, reasonable, measured, thoughtful, and SMART in their approach. Forget about Manning, go with the plan in motion. Stay the course; fans have endured two years of the process to rebuild the football team; keep moving forward with the good plan.

I know we need somebody to play QB; FA QBs are available; sign one. Draft a QB to develop, RGIII or Tannehill, or another of the Shanahans' choice. But dont revert to the pre-Shanahan days of frivolous, ill-advised FA signings. Stay strong and be smart; rebuild the football team the right way!

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/why-signing-kyle-orton-would-make-sense-for-the-redskins/2012/02/09/gIQAlZel1Q_blog.html"]Why signing Kyle Orton would make sense for the Redskins - The Insider - The Washington Post[/URL][/quote]

#1-Ok, you say the team needs to .... stay the course? how do you not know that the course is to pick up PM?

#2- You make a huge arguement as to why the team should not take a Vet QB, and elude to the fact that the course is drafting a young QB.

#3- Then you mention signing Orton. Orton? Not that I'm wanting it but we might as well stick with Grossman since the production level would not be that much better.

Personally I'd sign PM. He will be a Free Agent just like Orton. I'd have an option for the Skins added to the contract that if PM is not healthy and ready to play in the 1st game then the team can cut him with out the team owing him a ton of money. Plus whoever is Rookie would get playing time until PM is 100% ready which could mean the developement your looking for. Plus depending on PM's health come the first game maybe the Rookie starts the season until PM is ready.

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[quote=NM Redskin;883772]Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?[/quote]

.... Unless it's an African Swallow.

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[quote=celts32;883766]He who would cross the Bridge of Death
Must answer me
These questions three
Ere the other side he see.[/quote]

My favorite color is Red... no Blue... AAAAHHHHHHH.

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[quote=SmootSmack;883762]Dilfer's ok. [B]Tim Hasselbeck[/B] on the other hand

And I think the whole Kyle is a control freak thing is ridiculous. So is his dad, but it worked fine with him letting Elway call plays, ditto Walsh and Montana. And many others.[/quote]

Yet another person who annoys me.

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My 8 concerns over #18
1. Does Peyton really want to come here?
2. Is he going to be throwing back the way he used be able to throw or will his arm strength of decreased significantly from not playing/neck surgery?
3. Does Peyton fit our system of bootlegs and roll outs?
4. Will Peyton get along with both shanahans?
5. Do we want to tie so much money into the QB situation, should we really draft RG3 by trading with St. Louis?
6. How much upgrading do we need on our OL and WR's?
7. Do we change our whole offense now, for one player?
8. Do we ever learn that signing big name FA QB's doesn't work? Theres always a "Yeah, But..." with all these Big name FA signings and us.

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Dilfer annoys me because he comes off as a "Know it all expert" and he sucked his whole career at the position..

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I don't understand why Peyton would want to come here.
But if he does.......the entire organization should bend over backwards to try and get him.

Lets not kid ourselves we were a 5-11 team if we get Peyton and he doesn't get healthy what have we lost?
We can still have a late round developmental QB and a FA journeyman as plan's B and C or C and B.
Having Peyton as plan A is a good thing imo.

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I want Peyton here but only if we get our first choice qb from the draft as well whoever that may be im hoping RG3. I think its worth the risk to get peyton bc of the reward he can bring but if it doesnt work out and he cant get healthy we need our 2nd option to be a good option, not Rexy or anything like him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;883791]Dilfer annoys me because he comes off as a "Know it all expert" and he sucked his whole career at the position..[/quote]


Agree 100%.

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We have to remember as much as us wanting to trade up these teams "Indy, St. Lou, & Minn" IMO want to trade down, everyone wants more picks especially High picks.

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We have to remember that Houston and KS used to get their asses kicked by PM all the time. I don't think there should be a concern when it comes to the system or allowing Peyton to do his thing. There would be trust between the HC, OC, and QB that the right plays are being called in the right situation.

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[quote=30gut;883797]I don't understand why Peyton would want to come here.
But if he does.......the entire organization should bend over backwards to try and get him.

Lets not kid ourselves we were a 5-11 team if we get Peyton and he doesn't get healthy what have we lost?
We can still have a late round developmental QB and a FA journeyman as plan's B and C or C and B.
Having Peyton as plan A is a good thing imo.[/quote]


Shanny is a real good coach for one, he could play ELI Twice for 2 and winning a title in D.C will make him the KING of WSH forever.. Also DS likes to pay the $

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It is interesting that certain journalists used to praise Kyle's system and offense in Houston, but as soon as he comes here -bam!- he sucks.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;883803]It is interesting that certain journalists used to praise Kyle's system and offense in Houston, but as soon as he comes here -bam!- he sucks.[/quote]

Ain't that the truth, he was the next great thing will takeover from his Daddy, now he sucks what was he thinking etc.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;883802][B]Shanny is a real good coach for one, he could play ELI Twice for 2 and [B]winning a title in D.C will make him the KING of WSH forever..[/B] Also DS likes to pay the $[/quote]

Agree 100%

This is exactly why I think Peyton would[B] want [/B]to come to DC.

There are plenty of reasons for why he may not want to come here. But those

three are the top reasons I would want to come here.

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Getting Peyton is like buying a classic Ferrari. Getting RGIII is like buying a new Bentley.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;883805]Ain't that the truth, he was the next great thing will takeover from his Daddy, now he sucks what was he thinking etc.[/quote]

I honestly think he will get it together here once we get the pieces IE a QB who

is worth a damn. We have seen glimpses of it here at times. He also had alot of

talent to work with in Houston. Once we get that here it will all come together.

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;883808]Getting Peyton is like buying a classic Ferrari. Getting RGIII is like buying a new Bentley.[/QUOTE]

I'd be stoked with either

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[quote=skinsfaninok;883811]I'd be stoked with either[/quote]

Sorry I should have said Audi or some other performance car. Lotus RGIII is like a brand new Lotus.

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If you know Sally Jenkins then you know she hates almost any offseason move the Skins make atleast in free agency. Amazingly enough.... she endorses the P.Manning signing. lol.

[url=http://www.redskinshogheaven.com/2012-articles/february/youve-got-to-be-kidding-sally-jenkins-jumps-on-the-peyton-manning-bandwagon.html]You've got to be kidding. Sally Jenkins jumps on the Peyton Manning bandwagon. | February[/url]

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;883809]I honestly think he will get it together here once we get the pieces IE a QB who

is worth a damn. We have seen glimpses of it here at times. He also had alot of

talent to work with in Houston. Once we get that here it will all come together.[/QUOTE]

Exactly

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Am I the only one who's not the least bit interested in rg3? If he were there at 6, sure. But he's not worth trading up for.

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lol dirt... much better. Bentleys are for old people. They are big heavy and not very nimble.

I am a car guy. I never got the obsession with Bentleys, unless you have a chauffeur.

Now sports cars are my thing. Lotus isn't a bad choice.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;883816]Am I the only one who's not the least bit interested in rg3? If he were there at 6, sure. But he's not worth trading up for.[/QUOTE]

I think he will fall to 6 anyway

I also think weeden will climb into the first round after a strong combine

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I don't think we should trade up to the #2 spot to get him. I am definately intrigued by

RGIII I just don't think we should go that far up if we get someone decent in FA.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;883813]Sorry I should have said Audi or some other performance car. Lotus RGIII is like a brand new Lotus.[/quote]

With no joking namewise, a Lotus (or a Lamborghini) is a better comparison for RGIII.

[quote=skinsfaninok;883822]I think he will fall to 6 anyway[/quote]

I too think that RGIII will still be on the board at #6.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;883824]I don't think we should trade up to the #2 spot to get him. I am definately intrigued by

RGIII I just don't think we should go that far up if we get someone decent in FA.[/QUOTE]

If we sign Manning I'd draft maybe a foles in the 3rd or something. If we sign orton or Flynn I'd take rg3 or tannehill in the 1st

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Maybe this answers some questions about why the Skins didn't take Orton the first time during the season....

[url=http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2012/02/09/washington-reportedly-focused-on-qb-kyle-orton/]Washington Reportedly Focused on QB Kyle Orton » NFL Gridiron Gab[/url]

[QUOTE]First Peyton Manning – now Kyle Orton.

Seems like the Redskins are going to do whatever it takes to get a QB, and now reports say the team has serious interest in Orton, who wrapped up the 2012 season with the KC Chiefs after getting released by the Denver Broncos midseason.

According to John Keim of the Washington Examiner, the Redskins were interested in Orton when he was on waivers, but did not claim him. CSNWashington reported it was because of potential locker-room friction with current Redskins and former Bears QB Rex Grossman.

One league source said it was much salary related (Orton would have been owed $3 million for one month’s work). By signing Orton, clearly a cheaper alternative than Manning, it would enable the Redskins to focus elsewhere in the draft – and still have a good chunk of change to spend in free agency.

They likely would still draft a quarterback. If they view Orton as a one or two year guy, then maybe it could work – especially if they upgraded the receiving corps to pair with a less error-prone QB.
[/QUOTE]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;883816]Am I the only one who's not the least bit interested in rg3? If he were there at 6, sure. But he's not worth trading up for.[/quote]

Ditto. I'm banking that the Skins fail to make a trade up and RGIII is not there at #6 so the team can trade back for more picks like last yr.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;883809]I honestly think he will get it together here once we get the pieces IE a QB who

is worth a damn. We have seen glimpses of it here at times. He also had alot of

talent to work with in Houston. Once we get that here it will all come together.[/quote]


I'll say this... I think that there was a pretty good reason why Grossman wasn't starting for Houston when they both were there... right?

I agree.. let's judge the Shanny's when we have an actual NFL Starter-Caliber QB in place.

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[quote=SBXVII;883828]Maybe this answers some questions about why the Skins didn't take Orton the first time during the season....

[url=http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2012/02/09/washington-reportedly-focused-on-qb-kyle-orton/]Washington Reportedly Focused on QB Kyle Orton » NFL Gridiron Gab[/url][/quote]

That all makes sense.

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I was listening to Bill Pollian today and he said that RG3 is an incredible talent, that fits Shannahan perfectly. He also said that he is as good a prospect as Luck. His comments were that he can throw the ball 60 yards with the flick of a wrist and is incredibly accurate and that he looks like a ripped strong safety. It really got me excited. He also said there is no way he gets past the second pick. Who knows, if he thinks that way maybe the Colts will pick him and trade Luck to us. Either one, would make me happy.

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RG3 could possibly fall to 6 but i feel like after the combine which i think he will shine in he wont slip that far

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[quote=SBXVII;883828]Maybe this answers some questions about why the Skins didn't take Orton the first time during the season....

[URL="http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2012/02/09/washington-reportedly-focused-on-qb-kyle-orton/"]Washington Reportedly Focused on QB Kyle Orton » NFL Gridiron Gab[/URL][/quote]
I cant believe they want him now and did not pick him up off the waiver wire when he was released.

[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;883833]I was listening to Bill Pollian today and he said that RG3 is an incredible talent, that fits Shannahan perfectly. He also said that he is as good a prospect as Luck. His comments were that he can throw the ball 60 yards with the flick of a wrist and is incredibly accurate and that he looks like a ripped strong safety. It really got me excited. He also said there is no way he gets past the second pick. Who knows, if he thinks that way maybe the Colts will pick him and trade Luck to us. Either one, would make me happy.[/QUOTE]

Colts wouldn't have to trade us luck but I see what ur saying

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;883800]We have to remember as much as us wanting to trade up these teams "Indy, St. Lou, & Minn" IMO want to trade down, everyone wants more picks especially High picks.[/quote]

Uness of course they are interested in RGIII also, then the trade up is moot.

and honestly Indy will not want to trade down. They will not keep Manning for two reasons
1- they don't know if he'll get healthy.
2- they won't want to give up the 28mill if he's not healthy.

So for that alone Indy will want to keep their draft pick and select a franchise QB.

Beyond that all bets are off. With any of the rest I see more upside with RGIII then what they already have and they would be crazy to pass up on him considering none of their QB's have shown they are franchise material as of yet.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;883833]I was listening to Bill Pollian today and he said that RG3 is an incredible talent, that fits Shannahan perfectly. He also said that he is as good a prospect as Luck. His comments were that he can throw the ball 60 yards with the flick of a wrist and is incredibly accurate and that he looks like a ripped strong safety. It really got me excited. He also said there is no way he gets past the second pick. Who knows, if he thinks that way [B]maybe the Colts will pick him and trade Luck to us. Either one, would make me happy.[/B][/quote]

I'm going to sound like an idiot (which maybe I've already presented myself as one) but how can the Colts pick RGIII with the #1 pick and still trade Luck to us (the Skins)?